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The Whiskey Priest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 04:08 PM
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Please Point Out the Fallacy In This Reasoning.
Edited on Tue Feb-07-06 04:16 PM by The Whiskey Priest
If there is a threat so dire as to require the trashing of the constitution, then why is it not so dire as to require the hardening of security for sites that hold the potential for wide-spread devastation…i.e. Chemical and nuclear plants.

Since the leaders of the government are not moving to harden the security for such sites, therefore; it must be that the threat is not as dire as they state and the trasing of the constitution is not justified on the basis of the threat.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 04:10 PM
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1. Silly boy, the threat _IS_ the Constitution, don't you get it?
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 04:20 PM
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4. that sums it up nicely eom
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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 04:18 PM
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2. one of many fallacies
I also have to point out the mexican border. Reguardless of everyones stance on illegals, we have a wide open border and we have no clue who is coming across or what they are bringing with them. This administration blew their we will protect you best theory when that failed to take the most crucial first step of any strategic plan and protect our homefront. They love to spread fear and yes we should be very afraid of what they are not doing.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 04:20 PM
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3. Is the wide open mexican border more fearsome
than the wide open canadian border?

Just askin'

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 04:31 PM
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7. canadian border
I went to that link, but I wasn't sure what you were referencing? Sorry I am new to all of this. Please bear with me. In answer to your question, absolutely not. I wasn't trying to diminish any gaps in our security but it just seems that border seems to be more of a problem in terms of numbers of unknown people coming in. Both borders should be addressed.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 04:43 PM
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8. I don't know if I was a terrorist I'd come in from Canada
seems like it would be easier.

And the blog is just self promotion.

Bryant
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MatrixEscape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 04:25 PM
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5. On that train of thought ...
people should obtain and read, The Wisdom of Insecurity, by Alan Watts.

Watts' reasoning and insights on the matter are totally relevant to the current, fascist manipulations used to exploit people's concepts of being what being secure is about.

The attempt is to foist a false, but compelling ideological certainty upon the unwitting because it evokes a sense of stability and relief. We rely on the Federal Government to protect the nation, so implicit trust, (in the confines of checks and balances) is the easily exploitable means by which this comes about.

The fact is, security can never be assured to any infallible degree. We have more reason to acknowledge and then abide with and find ways to cope with a realistic sense of what rightfully evokes insecurity – as the nature of life itself – than to be sold snake oil and led down a P.T. Barnum aisle to the incinerator of our hard-won freedoms.

As we all know, stability, (economic, emotional, physical, etc.) is an important factor in what we idealize as security. Considering the profound economic decline for growing numbers of people in this country, along with other factors, we have much more to fear in that arena than we do from, “terrorists” over all. It is a dominant distraction and funcitonal for so many steps in the Fascist agenda unfolding.

But then, the deer, staring into the headlights, doesn't see the car coming, does it?
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The Whiskey Priest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 04:27 PM
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6. Those within a particular time
never recognize the change that is occurring at that time.
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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 04:49 PM
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9. Exploiting Fears
I totally agree with what is being said here. There is no doubt that this administration distracts us with fear and exploits our fears, but that should not diminish the fact that our country is hated in many parts of the world. So I guess the question is will America implode from within before it is hit from abroad?
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MatrixEscape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 05:34 PM
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10. Good question ....
It is my opinion that the counties who "hate us" hate us for our policies and not our freedoms.

I believe that most people want stable circumstances in which to work, grow, thrive, and raise their families. That is Universal, not political, in essence.

While it is easy to be pessimistic, cynical, and even nihilistic about the outcome, we can see that the policies that have been enacted over time have paved the road for bad will and strife. The question there is, what is the real agenda, and whose best interests does it represent.

You may have notice that this particular "Administration", (cabal, junta, regime, what have you) has been remarkably stubborn, blunt, deceptive, aggressive, threatening and domineering in its relationship to the rest of the World. Those traits are what we usually assign to a bully, not a diplomat.

Without understanding, cooperation, diplomacy, and negotiation, our country will only incur more wrath and less good will. If these demonstrable tactics are supposed to be representative of a reasonable, civilized democracy, then we have an obvious contradiction that makes the tenets of our current manifestation of said, a bona fide premise being executed in a fallacious way.

I read once that Fascism is merely Imperialism in its later phase. In other words, the tendency to conquer and exploit other territories and lands eventually turns back in on the people as the opportunities and ease of occupation and expansion diminish. The problem is that the people, in general, have been in the dark about America's historical effect, (in the name of Capitalism) on other countries for decades. Without that understanding it is very difficult to swallow the idea of the U.S. As a clandestine, Imperialistic nation. The track record in every aspect, leads to a shocking insight.

The dissemination of information along those lines and a little more exposure and study of history, and events – outside of the general media-matrix – could lead to the prevention of an implosion, a shift towards restructuring what is now obsolete or dysfunctional in the current system, and resurgence of human rights with the focus on liberty and justice for ALL.

If our current policies, politics, and diplomacy are going to be dominated and controlled by corporations, elite families, and the bottom-line alone, than anything altruistic, reasonable, or humanitarian, (or anything that relates to it) is not on the agenda and, like the boom and bust of economic cycles, (and manipulations) America is certainly on a fast train-ride into a brick wall.

I think we are at a deciding juncture and there are many factors indicating that either Americans, in unison chant, think, spread, "Give me liberty or give me death!" we won't have much say in stemming the tide or directing the course to a new horizon of peace, prosperity, and unitive co-existent thinking. In other words, a noticeable and extensive paradigm shift is in order. The American Dream is becoming a real nightmare, what can we imagine upon awakening from it? This may be the end of the World as we know it, so do we heed that and take stock of what we do and do not know in order to birth a new cycle? Or do we passively watch as the whole thing crumbles in slow-mo, while complaining and lamenting the tragedy that unfolds?

Of course, that is preaching to the choir for avid Chomsky readers and astute, information ferrets.
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