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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 05:49 PM
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Would Bush Strike Iran Without Prepping The US?
Let's face it, the Bush Administration across the cabinets went to a great deal of effort and expense selling the war with Iraq before it sort of morphed into existence.

They haven't been doing that to anywhere near the same degree with Iran. Not yet anyway. However at the same time the world press seems to think we are right on the brink of an attack.

So, it begs the question. Are the Bush people so enamored of their own power that they will go to war again, but this time without bothering to move the tide of public opinion to their side first? Has their hubris grown to that level?
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 05:51 PM
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1. I'm more concerned about
Israel doing an aerial bombardment attack against Iran's nuclear facilities...and then Iran lobbing something back at Israel...and then Junior using that as the green light that he desperately wants and then going in on the premise of "defending Israel"
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znowboarding Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 06:01 PM
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8. This is more likely
My money would be on Israel striking first
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 06:06 PM
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11. Yes especially if Netanyahu becomes Prime Minister after the election
He's already been sabre rattling, he's very scary and would think nothing of bombing Iran in order to pull Junior in.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 06:03 PM
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9. I agree that the Israel scenario is much more likely.
Edited on Mon Jan-02-06 06:05 PM by tx_dem41
I don't believe that Iran has the capability to lob anything at Israel at this time. But, it would certainly draw the Middle East into an all out war. Nobody, save terrorist organizations, want that to happen.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 06:10 PM
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14. If Israel bombed Iran
Then Iran could lob something back at Israel from any one of the countries that surround Israel, if you know what I mean.

I think as you say, nobody wants an all-out Middle Eastern war except the terrorist organizations, which makes me think why Netanyahu is making these noises about bombing the Iranian nuclear facilities if he's elected Prime Minister.

Why would Israel want an all out war in the Middle East...
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 06:12 PM
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15. Hopefully, Bibi won't win the election
I've never said such a distasteful thing in my life, but I hope Sharon wins (assuming that Labor can't).
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 06:18 PM
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16. Hopefully he won't...I hope Sharon's new Centrist party wins
I hope that Sharon's heart operation goes well.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 07:09 PM
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21. Didn't Israel do this before? What happened then?
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 06:05 PM
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10. I Agree...
...they have as much as telegraphed this course of action.

The Bushies feel as if they can do anything at this point. But it would give then a nice "cover story" if Israel took the lead. They might also fear unilateral action could cause them problems in the 2006 midterms.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 06:20 PM
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18. I think that if anything happens with Iran
Then yes, Israel will kick it off for Junior. We know that Junior wants to attack Iran right now, but he can't, so Israel at any time could do it for him and then Junior's got what he wants and he's like a hog in mud.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 06:08 PM
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13. bush is intoxicated with his self proclaimed 'almighty' power and he.....
will concoct any reason for preemptively attacking other nations. 'War' is and has been the only salvation of his presidency with his hardcore followers.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 06:27 PM
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20. It would have to be airstrikes from Israel and then airstrikes from
Junior. At this time, I think it's highly unlikely that a ground invasion could be done. We don't have enough troops to simultaneously be in Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran. Also Iran is about five times the size of Iraq, and unlike Iraq a great portion of it is mountainous terrain, so you'd need far more troops than we actually have.

It would solely be aerial bombardment in my humble opinion...not that I'm a military expert or anything, I'm just commenting this from logical sense.
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thefool_wa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 06:19 PM
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17. He'll do it too
That m***erf***er! Why is war so important to these bastards, why can't they just leave it alone and try something else.

Those were rhetorical questions, we all know the answers. If they strike Iran under EITHER premise then we are one step closer to the final solution here at home.

Just make sure I get a piece.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 05:51 PM
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2. george was definitely attacking Iraq well before his war began.
Edited on Mon Jan-02-06 05:57 PM by tuvor
Prior to invasion, the United States and other coalition forces involved in the 1991 Persian Gulf War had been engaged in a low-level conflict with Iraq, enforcing Iraqi no-fly zones. Iraqi air-defense installations were engaged on a fairly regular basis after repeatedly targeting American and British air patrols. In mid-2002, the U.S. began to change its response strategy, more carefully selecting targets in the southern part of the country in order to disrupt the military command structure in Iraq. A change in enforcement tactics was acknowledged at the time, but it was not made public that this was part of a plan known as Operation Southern Watch.

The weight of bombs dropped increased from none in March 2002 and 0.3 in April 2002 to between 8 and 14 tons per month in May-August, reaching a pre-war peak of 54.6 tons in September - prior to Congress' 11 October authorisation of the invasion. The September attacks included a 5 September 100-aircraft attack on the main air defence site in western Iraq. According to The New Statesman this was "Located at the furthest extreme of the southern no-fly zone, far away from the areas that needed to be patrolled to prevent attacks on the Shias, it was destroyed not because it was a threat to the patrols, but to allow allied special forces operating from Jordan to enter Iraq undetected."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_war#Prior_to_invasion
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 06:00 PM
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7. Absolutely correct.
We stepped up our 'no fly zone enforcement' and in fact went well beyond 'no fly' and started dismantling iraqi air defence installations that were legal under the Gulf Farce I agreements.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 05:51 PM
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3. No. n/t
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 05:51 PM
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4. Yes. he has the IWR. He thinks he can do anything he damn well pleases.
Edited on Mon Jan-02-06 05:52 PM by in_cog_ni_to
They will attack Iran, explain later. Iran possibly has nukes or will soon have nukes. They won't tip them off by "prepping" the sheeple....can't take that chance.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 05:55 PM
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6. I agree. To him it is like playing with toy soldiers. He could not care
less about the ultimate negative side effects of his decisions...as long as he gets to do what HE wants to do at the moment. The insane little twit.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 05:55 PM
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5. In a heartbeat, especially if it was an airstrike only
He'd come on TV, from the Oval Office (for a fucking change, instead of with cheering crowds of nitwits around him, or glum-faced military slaves forced to stand at parade rest) and give us a portentious, LBJ-type (minus the genuine gravitas, style and substance) four minute address on the lines of "I just bombed Iraq, I am RIGHT, and any of you bastards who don't agree with me can kiss my FauxTexas ass. Nine Eleven, terra terra, Osama bin Saddam, more terra, God bless America, thank you and good night." Then, off to the residence for some Jack Daniels and pretzels....

And we will all be sitting on our couches saying "FUCK!!!" The media will run like hell to try and cover it, and it will be too little, too weasley, too late. The only way he can be stopped is to make the political hot water SO hot that he doesn't have room to move. Go, James Comey....go, Patrick Fitzgerald. We need those patriots to watch out for our behinds, because no one else in DC seems up to the job of late.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 06:08 PM
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12. Yes.
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 06:23 PM
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19. In a New York Minute if he thought he could get away with it. NT
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zapp Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 07:14 PM
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22. Highly likely. By the time it surfaces that he invented intel.....
He'll be long gone.

These thugs in power *are* reactionary and militant. It's high time we were also.
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