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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:11 PM
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NEW NSA SPYING WHISTLEBLOWER WANTS TO BE HEARD BY CONGRESS!!
NSA Spying Whistleblower!!
Submitted by davidswanson on Tue, 2006-01-03 12:03. Evidence

Former NSA intelligence analyst & action officer urges to be heard by Congress regarding unlawful conduct by NSA
Submitted by jplummer on Thu, 2005-12-22 15:57. National security whistleblowers
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE- December 21, 2005


Former NSA intelligence analyst & action officer urges to be heard by Congress regarding unlawful conduct by NSA

Russ Tice, former National Security Agency (NSA) intelligence analyst and action officer, has sent the following two letters to the chairs of the Senate and House Intelligence Committees. Mr. Tice intends to report to Congress probable unlawful and unconstitutional acts conducted while he was an intelligence officer with the National Security Agency (NSA) and with the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). These acts involved the Director of the National Security Agency, the Deputies Chief of Staff for Air and Space Operations, and the U.S. Secretary of Defense, and were conducted via very highly sensitive intelligence programs and operations known as Special Access Programs (SAP). SAP programs and operations are more commonly referred to as “black world” programs and operations. Mr. Tice was a technical intelligence specialist dealing almost exclusively with SAP programs and operations at both NSA and DIA.


Mr. Tice stated:
"It is with my oath as a US intelligence officer weighing heavy on my mind that I wish to report to congress acts that I believe are unlawful and unconstitutional. The freedom of the American people cannot be protected when our constitutional liberties are ignored and our nation has decayed into a police state.”



READ LETTERS BY TICE TO CONGRESSAT:

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/6280
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:14 PM
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1. This is NEW to me..
anybody have any further background?

Is Tice a credible individual?

What's going down here? :shrug:
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:15 PM
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2. First I've heard as well.
I look forward to hearing more on this.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:17 PM
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4. This was discussed at length on DU when it first came out, 12/21/05.
This is not the whistleblower connected to the leak to the New York Times.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:24 PM
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14. Some info from common dreams.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
MAY 4, 2005
11:39 AM
CONTACT: Project On Government Oversight
Beth Daley, beth@pogo.org or (202) 347-1122

Intelligence Whistleblower Fired After Speaking At Event


WASHINGTON -- May 4 -- After speaking on Capitol Hill at an event for national security whistleblowers last week, Intelligence Analyst Russ Tice has been notified by the National Security Agency (NSA) that his security clearance is permanently being taken away and that he will be fired as of May 16, 2005. Tice is a member of the newly formed National Security Whistleblowers Coalition being led by Sibel Edmonds (see http://www.justacitizen.com for more about the Coalition).

In the past two years, Tice has endured unusually abusive retaliation from his agency. In April, after being put on administrative leave for 14 months, Tice was assigned to unload furniture from trucks at a warehouse, an obvious attempt to force him to resign. That assignment led to a back injury. Tice has since been on administrative leave. Tice also did a tour of eight months duty in the motor pool, where he was assigned to maintain agency vehicles (for example, filling them with gas, checking fluids, vacuuming and cleaning) and to chauffeur NSA officials, along with five other employees who were also being punished.

Tice's treatment led the Pentagon Inspector General's Civil Reprisal Investigations unit to take up an investigation into his case. Depending on the result, the Inspector General can recommend to Secretary Rumsfeld that Tice's security clearance and position be reinstated.

Tice has an almost 20-year career in intelligence in the Air Force, Navy, Defense Intelligence Agency, and (more recently) National Security Agency. He has conducted intelligence missions related to the Kosovo War, Afghanistan, the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen, and the Iraq War. He was recognized numerous times for the quality of his work. Most recently, he had been nominated to receive an award for his outstanding intelligence work during the Iraq War. In another retaliatory move against Tice, the award was withdrawn after his security clearance was revoked.

rest at http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0504-14.htm
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 10:12 PM
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51. My God, is this what the NSA has become?
Whistleblowers and other "troublemakers", despite their service to the country, have been demoted to motor pools and shipping/receiving heavy labor duty?

And my guess is they can't go to government agencies to register a complaint.

Typical.

This is Shrub's world - we're all (and I mean ALL) just living in it.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 02:33 PM
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54. It is typical of Rovian tactics
which are designed to humilate/disgrace those that disagree with this almighty regime.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:24 PM
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16. Very credible: saw him on Democracy Now here is the link with interview
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:31 PM
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21. He was interviewed on Democracy Now this a.m.:
Do you know who Russell Tice is? An NSA whistleblower...


He's on Democracy Now, Link TV.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/03/143...

National Security Agency Whistleblower Warns Domestic Spying Program Is Sign the U.S. is Decaying Into a “Police State”

"Former NSA intelligence agent Russell Tice condemns reports that the Agency has been engaged in eavesdropping on U.S. citizens without court warrants. Tice has volunteered to testify before Congress about illegal black ops programs at the NSA. Tice said, “The freedom of the American people cannot be protected when our constitutional liberties are ignored and our nation has decayed into a police state."

snip//
Two weeks ago, a former NSA intelligence officer publicly announced that he wants to testify before Congress. His name is Russell Tice. For the past two decades he has worked in the intelligence field both inside and outside government, most recently with the National Security Agency and Defense Intelligence Agency. He was fired in May 2005 after he spoke out as a whistleblower.

In his letter, Tice wrote, "It is with my oath as a US intelligence officer weighing heavy on my mind that I wish to report to Congress acts that I believe are unlawful and unconstitutional. The freedom of the American people cannot be protected when our constitutional liberties are ignored and our nation has decayed into a police state."
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 01:31 PM
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35. Smart man going to the press
He's probably got a bullseye on his back already (and may very well be the one Bush/DOJ is looking for). But the first paragraph doesn't make much sense...it states he "condemns the reports" then that the "acts that I believe are unlawful and unconstitutional" with regard to the "illegal black ops" of the NSA. :shrug:

Getting out and being interviewed is the smartest thing he can do and stay alive.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 01:45 PM
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39. He told Amy Goodman he knows he's been followed and
he wouldn't be surprised if he's being monitored, so I agree, he needs lots of exposure so he doesn't 'disappear'.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #39
48. And the pressue will be on Specter to avoid a Public Hearing
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:32 PM
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22. New to me too.
I believe these brave whistleblowers are the best hope this country will get back on the right track.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 03:50 PM
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42. Russ Tice was also discussed in Sibel's Vanity Fair article in August
Read it. They had a few paragraphs on him and a few other whistleblowers as well. He's not as well known as Sibel, but he's been trying to be heard for a while now.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 02:38 PM
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55. I'm one of those who believes
Edited on Wed Jan-04-06 02:42 PM by Mabus
that Sibel's whole story, along with those of other whistleblowers, contain the missing pieces between foreign policy failures (most important of which is terrorism), domestic business interests and political corruption. Maybe I'm just too :tinfoilhat:

Today, after nearly four years since 9/11, the American people still do not know that thousands of lives can be jeopardized under the unspoken policy of ‘protecting certain foreign business relations.’ The victims family members still do not realize that information and answers they have sought relentlessly for almost 4 years has been blocked due to the unspoken decisions made and disguised under ‘safeguarding certain diplomatic relations.’ (emphasis in original, source: FBI & 9/11 By Sibel Edmonds)


edited to add italicized paragraph.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:16 PM
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3. knr
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:17 PM
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5. "It is with my oath as a US intelligence officer weighing heavy on my mind
Glad to hear integrity means something to someone...
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:17 PM
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6. should be televised, too! National not cable. nt
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:18 PM
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7. This guy looks to be the real deal.
He can expect the full attack by the Bush Crime Family, too. They will be pouring over every aspect of his life, looking for something to marginalize him.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:19 PM
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8. Wow. I can't believe this hasn't been posted on DU! This is from Dec. 21?
Here's our HERO. I've been waiting for him/her to come forward.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:19 PM
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9. He was on Democracy Now this morning
sounds legit to me
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:19 PM
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10. oh he's disgruntled....
he wasn't really on a swift-boat!

thats his illegitimate foreign child!

his wife is behind it, she is a spook!

he was on a SSRI, because he's crazy!

all he does is lie!

he shot himself in the foot!

ohhh ohhh!!!!

He is a Liberal!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #10
18. Flip-flopper! On Democracy Now! he looked like an older
young Republican and sounded very credible. :thumbsup:
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:46 PM
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25. Lots of real Republicans are disgusted with W and the neocons
These guys are horrified at the defecits and just as worred about domestic spying as liberals are.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 01:24 PM
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34. DING DING!!! You win!
One of the reason I'm certain elections were fruadulent is because I and a number of other Republicans pay attention and I KNOW that this guy could not have been legitimately elected.

So this guy walks into a brand new bar.

He goes to the counter and there's a robot for a bartender.
The robot asks him what he wants, the man orders a gin and tonic.
After making the drink, the robot asks the man what his IQ is.
After being puzzled for a moment, the man shrugs and says, "I've an IQ of 150."

The robot starts up a conversation immediately, it's about Global Warming trends and impacts, Quantum mechanics, nuclear fusion, and philosophy.

After about an hour, the man says 'thank you' and leaves.

But as he walks out the door, he decides he wants to experiment and goes back into the bar.

The robot serves him a drink and again asks him his IQ.

He say's "About 100"

The robot starts talking about Nascar, Pro-wrestling, and reality TV.

After a little while the man leaves. Thinks he'll try it just one more time and turns around and goes back into the bar.

Again the Robot asks his IQ.

The man says, "50".

The robot leans forward, and speaking very slowly says,

"So... you gonna vote fer Bush again?"
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 01:44 PM
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38. Hope you don't mind;
I sent this off to friends and family! And no, I did not vote for b*** either time! :)
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:20 PM
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11. K & R
:kick:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:21 PM
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12. Good to see Sibel Edmonds as the "contact person" for the ...
... whistleblower efforts. She meant what she said when she called on even more government employees to begin exposing all the lawlessness of Bush and the neoconsters:

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002211.htm


Peace.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #12
36. I bless that woman nightly and hope for her safety. She never gives up.nt
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:22 PM
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13. "These acts involved...
"... the Director of the National Security Agency, the Deputies Chief of Staff for Air and Space Operations, and the U.S. Secretary of Defense..."

Wow.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:24 PM
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15. They will "Sibel-Edmunds" him.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 01:37 PM
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37. "State Secrets" "State Secrets" "State Secrets" How many times can they
get away with it? Maybe, at this point, the more the merrier. If twelve or twenty people do this, they can't silence them all in front of the public.

Strength in numbers, True Americans must step up to the plate NOW!

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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 03:45 PM
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41. If they can get a criminal rather than a civil case for him to testify in
Edited on Tue Jan-03-06 03:47 PM by calipendence
... that might help avoid the States Secret privilege use against him.

Apparently there's been more recent legislation that applies to criminal (but has not been used in civil cases like Sibel's) cases, that a court might rule needs to be used instead of States Secret if there's an inquiry to get Tice to be put on the stand. They still may try to restrict him from testifying from certain things, but they might not be able to keep the whole case out of court like they were able to do with Sibel's. That's a step in the right direction. At least in that case we get into the ballgame and not kept out at the door.

Russ sounds like a pretty decent guy. He was also discussed in the Vanity Fair article on Sibel back in August too. It sounds like Mike German, another security whistleblower, has lately tried to make moves to shake things up like Tice is too. This IS a war, and the more soldiers we get, the more likely we'll win in the end!
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:24 PM
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17. SAP .... NOW ISN'T THAT NICE.
Sap - a label for people who are duped and cheated. This must have been by intent because we ARE the saps and we know they sit back and laugh at us every day for the crap they are pulling on us - robbing us of our rights, tax money, opportunity, our pensions, our jobs, our unions, our country's reputation, and most especially OUR VOTE AND OUR KIDS.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:27 PM
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19. Russ Tice is a member of NSWBC
December 30, 2005

NSWBC Call to Patriotic Duty
By Sibel Edmonds & William Weaver


Without whistleblowers the public would never know of the many abuses of constitutional rights by the government. Whistleblowers, Truth Tellers, are responsible for the disclosure that President George W. Bush ordered unconstitutional surveillance of American citizens. These constitutional lifeguards take their patriotic oaths to heart and soul: Rather than complying with classification and secrecy orders designed to protect officials engaging in criminal conduct, whistleblowers chose to risk their livelihoods and the wrath of their agencies to get the truth out. But will they be listened to by those who are charged with accountability?

The Whistleblowers Law of Congressional Hearings holds that the higher ranking the official who testifies the less the likelihood that the truth will be revealed. With this in mind, it is impossible to proceed to the viscera of what happened to whom and when without asking those who are charged with putting policy decisions into the actual stream of practice. High officials have perverse incentives to hide what is done in their orders by the employees below them. It is indispensable that Congress reach deep inside the National Security Agency and other agencies, seeking out employees at the operational level to determine how the President’s illegal order was carried into action. To assure that this occurs, we need for people with information from the agencies involved to come forward and ask to be interviewed by Congress. The National Security Whistleblowers Coalition calls on people with knowledge of unconstitutional surveillance of American citizens to contact NSWBC and let us know that they are willing to provide congress with information and testimony. Anonymity, if desired, will be scrupulously honored. NSWBC will provide contact information to Congress and investigative authorities, and will follow up to ensure that these witnesses were in fact interviewed in good faith by congressional staff and committees and allowed to participate in the hearing process. NSWBC will be the conduit between agents and Congress for those like Russ Tice, a former intelligence agent at the National Security Agency, who announced his willingness to disclose to Congress illegal acts by officials at his former employer. At NSWBC we know what we are asking people to do: Our organization is made up exclusively of veteran intelligence and law enforcement officers, agents and analysts.

Now is the time to come forward, not to reveal legitimately classified information, but to make yourselves available as witnesses and to serve the true supervisor of us all: the Constitution. Ordinarily one would expect the congress to be the guardian of our freedom by living up to its storied role as a check and balance to the President and the Executive Branch. But for four years, members of our Congress in supposed oversight committees were aware of illegal spying on American citizens. Co-opted by an unscrupulous commitment to secrecy and the state, intelligence oversight committees in Congress must step out of the way for a People’s hearing on the matter of presidentially ordered illegal surveillance. Congress must engage in a broad, public hearing of these matters.

Accountability, in the end, always comes down to the public’s right to know, the right to have the most basic knowledge about what its servants are doing with its money and its authority. Ambassador Maxwell Taylor, when asked what he thought about the public’s right to know of what the government is doing on its behalf, infamously responded the he did not “believe in that as a general rule.” Fortunately, that is not a general rule that comports with our system of government. Citizens cannot make informed choices if they do not have the facts. Public servants should not be forced to choose between career and conscience, between commitment to oath and commitment to colleagues, and if we live by our words, laws, and principles they will not have to. Protecting all employees of the People are that:


• Their higher loyalty is to the Constitution and the rule of law;

• Information may never be classified as secret merely because it is embarrassing or incriminating, or to cover up criminal and unlawful conduct;

• There is no agreement that public servants may sign that will require them lie to the Congress or courts;

• The United States’ Code of Ethics for Government Service explains carefully and clearly in an assured voice that "Any person in government service should put loyalty to the highest moral principles and to the Country above loyalty to persons, party, or Government department."




Contact: Sibel Edmonds-Director, National Security Whistleblowers Coalition, sedmonds@nswbc.org

Sibel Edmonds, NSWBC Founder & President, sedmonds@nswbc.org
Sibel Edmonds, a former FBI language specialist, was terminated from the bureau after reporting security breaches, cover-up, and blocking of intelligence with national security implications. Since that time, court proceedings in her whistleblower case have been blocked by the imposition of “State Secret Privilege,” and Congress has been prevented from discussion of her case through retroactive reclassification by the Department of Justice. Edmonds, fluent in Turkish, Farsi and Azerbaijani; holds an MA in Public Policy and International Commerce from George Mason University, and a BA in Criminal Justice and Psychology from George Washington University.


Professor William Weaver, NSWBC Senior Advisor, wweaver@nswbc.org
Bill Weaver served in U.S. Army signals intelligence for eight years in Berlin and Augsburg, Germany, in the late 1970s and 1980s. He holds a law degree and Ph.D. in politics from the University of Virginia. He currently is an associate professor and associate director of faculty for the Institute for Policy and Economic Development and an Associate in the Center for Law and Border Studies at the University of Texas at El Paso. He specializes in executive branch secrecy policy, governmental abuse, and law and bureaucracy.

About National Security Whistleblowers Coalition
National Security Whistleblowers Coalition (NSWBC), founded in August 2004, is an independent and nonpartisan alliance of whistleblowers who have come forward to address our nation’s security weaknesses; to inform authorities of security vulnerabilities in our intelligence agencies, at nuclear power plants and weapon facilities, in airports, and at our nation’s borders and ports; to uncover government waste, fraud, abuse, and in some cases criminal conduct. The NSWBC is dedicated to aiding national security whistleblowers through a variety of methods, including advocacy of governmental and legal reform, educating the public concerning whistleblowing activity, provision of comfort and fellowship to national security whistleblowers suffering retaliation and other harms, and working with other public interest organizations to affect goals defined in the NSWBC mission statement. For more on NSWBC visit www.nswbc.org


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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:31 PM
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20. How has this not hit the MSM yet????
:banghead:
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:47 PM
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27. I'm sure they've got the story handled.
Right under a pile of papers in the bottom drawers of their desks. They're tools, not journalists. The junta didn't give them permission to report any of this, so they don't.

I agree: :banghead:
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 04:56 PM
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49. Hey, they have a mining disaster to cover!
They have to show the same footage and read the same copy at least 12 times an hour or they might lose rubber-neckers to one of the other worthless news channels.

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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:40 PM
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23. k and r
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:45 PM
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24. Wow. Just.....Wow. Now, if only they'll listen to him & not dismiss him.
Tice wants to be heard by Congress. That doesn't mean it'll happen, but I sure hope it does.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:47 PM
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26. And Congress says: "Too busy, too sensitive, no there there."
Gee, whoda thunk that people would have to BEG congress to investigate a national security matter?
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schmuls Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:50 PM
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28. I think it is far out that the words police state were used in an
address to Congress!
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:51 PM
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29. I'm listening to him on Democracy Now right now.. (on FSTV)
This program can be viewed on line at:

http://www.democracynow.org/index.shtml

Also:
John Perkins of Confessions of an Economic Hit Man is also being interviewed..
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 01:04 PM
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31. snowed in,no signal,keep us posted
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 01:03 PM
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30. Don't look at that man behind the curtain!
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 01:10 PM
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32. Oh, so NOW it's okay to investigate a whistle blower?
Where as the whole Valerie Plame ordeal was not even worth the time?

Fuck this administration and it's apologist assholes.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 01:14 PM
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33. Hats off to Mr. Tice.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 03:06 PM
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40. Additional article from April 2005.
http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0428-10.htm

snip

"For example, last month, National Security Agency intelligence analyst Russ Tice was forced to report to an off-site government warehouse where he unloaded trucks. His crime? Reporting that a co-worker might be a Chinese spy. Tice awaits the result of a hearing held to determine whether he will lose his security clearance, a move that might stop his career short."

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 03:51 PM
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43. Oh gosh!
They can't ignore this now! Wow!
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 03:59 PM
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44. he also said he fears the U.S. is decaying into a "police state"
I posted the article from "Democracy Now" earlier today. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=39381&mesg_id=39381 I guess the NSA has or had a patriot or two among their rank and file also. Bravo, Mr. Tice!!!
:patriot: :yourock:
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 04:19 PM
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45. We're already there. Read Spychips book
at www.spychips.com website and remember that TIA is offshored, outsourced and privatized to Global Information Group Ltd. in the Bahamas, headed by intel-man Ben H. Bell III.

They've done it under Congress' nose and with their blessing. We have the solid Republican Congress, Executive, and Judiciary to thank. Now we can take our pick of Argentina or Weimar Germany as 'role models'.

Isn't Operation Garden Plot and Operation Cable Splicer being enacted before our eyes ? All that's necessary is a 'suspension' of the Constitution by Bush (another illegal act, since 'preserve, protect, and defend' applies only to the broad expanses of their behinds CYA and all).
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 04:26 PM
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46. I agree with you
It's just that when you hear a former member of the NSA say it, you know maybe those tin foil hats aren't such a bad idea, after all.:tinfoilhat:
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 04:45 PM
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47. Wonder if Bush tapped *his* phone?
Hmmmmm...something to ponder :freak:
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 05:22 PM
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50. Sounds like he is a true patriot. Good. We really need them right now.
I'm going to mail this info off to Chris Matthews, as he has seemed to be interested in these sorts of stories lately. Let's start an msm campaign, to get this out there.

Recommended.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 10:13 PM
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52. he was on Democracy Now this Morning
interesting cat this one .
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 01:40 AM
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53. Kick for nite owls
:kick: :kick:
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