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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 07:32 PM
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So the White house is defending Bush- re Katrina
And saying that Bush was FULLY involved.

All I can say is we all saw the outcome of his involvement - his full engagement. And the outcome was sorely lacking in all aspects.
I am not even going to argue with them that Bush was not fully engaged in the Katrina crisis. All I will point out is that the outcome, the response time was horribly lacksadaisical and slow. The federal response was horrible and if this is the best Bush can do - then it is time to find someone more qualified.

We all know he was on vacation at the time. If they want to play the game of his "working" holiday - I say fine - go for it. We all know what happened and what did not happen in a timely manner. If this is as good as it gets under Bush - then time for someone else.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 07:33 PM
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1. FULLY involved...
Gee, that makes him FULLY responsible for the atrocity!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 07:33 PM
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2. This is a good thing. When that scathing report comes out this
Edited on Mon Feb-13-06 07:36 PM by babylonsister
week, he can then accept full credit for all the many fuck-ups.
Edit to add:
Katrina Report Spreads Blame

Edited on Sat Feb-11-06 09:00 PM by cal04
Hurricane Katrina exposed the U.S. government's failure to learn the lessons of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, as leaders from President Bush down disregarded ample warnings of the threat to New Orleans and did not execute emergency plans or share information that would have saved lives, according to a blistering report by House investigators. A draft of the report, to be released publicly Wednesday, includes 90 findings of failures at all levels of government, according to a senior investigation staffer who requested anonymity because the document is not final. Titled "A Failure of Initiative," it is one of three separate reviews by the House, Senate and White House that will in coming weeks dissect the response to the nation's costliest natural disaster.

The 600-plus-page report lays primary fault with the passive reaction and misjudgments of top Bush aides, singling out Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, the Homeland Security Operations Center and the White House Homeland Security Council, according to a 60-page summary of the document obtained by The Washington Post. Regarding Bush, the report found that "earlier presidential involvement could have speeded the response" because he alone could have cut through all bureaucratic resistance.

The report, produced by an 11-member House select committee of Republicans chaired by Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.), proposes few specific changes. But it is an unusual compendium of criticism by the House GOP, which generally has not been aggressive in its oversight of the administration. The report portrays Chertoff, who took the helm of the department six months before the storm, as detached from events. It contends he switched on the government's emergency response systems "late, ineffectively or not at all," delaying the flow of federal troops and materiel by as much as three days.

The White House did not fully engage the president or "substantiate, analyze and act on the information at its disposal," failing to confirm the collapse of New Orleans' levee system on Aug. 29, the day of Katrina's landfall, which led to catastrophic flooding of the city of 550,000 people. On the ground, Federal Emergency Management Agency director Michael D. Brown, who has since resigned, FEMA field commanders and the U.S. military's commanding general set up rival chains of command. The Coast Guard, which alone rescued nearly half of 75,000 people stranded in New Orleans, flew nine helicopters and two airplanes over the city that first day, but eyewitness reconnaissance did not reach official Washington before midnight.

more
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
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cami715 Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 08:35 PM
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10. As I remember those days.....
he was too busy doing photo-ops (1)with John McCain (eating birthday cake),(2)playing a guitar, (3)attending a fundraiser, and (4) biking to do anything to help those poor people in New Orleans and other places hit by the hurricane.
It was Thursday after Katrina hit before he did anything, and then only when his staff sent a DVD of the devastation. That was about the time Anderson Cooper and other news reporters on the scene were screaming about how no one was helping the victims of Katrina.
He is ultimately to blame because he appointed unqualified people to key positions in FEMA, cut FEMA to the bone, and cut the budget to reinforce the levees.
May he burn in Hell!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 08:51 PM
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14. Your memory is correct, cami715. He was less than useless
and I pray that will come out definitively, without other people trying to cover his butt.
Besides the Iraqi quagmire, for my money the mess that was made of the gulf coast after Katrina
by this admin ranks way up there as a reason to get rid of this evil bunch.
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cami715 Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 09:45 PM
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17. I agree!
How I wish we could clean the whole rotten bunch out of the WH. They are by far the most evil, incompetent, lying bunch of hoodlums ever!
I pray every night that we will soon be rid of them all.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 07:34 PM
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3. I said something similar on an earlier thread
An enormous fuck-up, and he was "fully involved"?

QED as to the Dictator-Tot's fitness to hold his appointed office.
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spartan61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 07:36 PM
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4. If bush was so "fully involved" in the Katrina crisis,
why did his staffers have to make a DVD of the newscasts so he would even know what was going on in the Gulf States? How stupid does this WH think we are?
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verse18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 08:42 PM
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12. Pretty stupid, I would guess.
* didn't even bother to pick up a paper or turn on the TV the whole time.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 07:37 PM
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5. Do we need see the pictures again?
So we can get a good grasp of "Full involvement".
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Gilmore Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 07:38 PM
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6. If you ask me..
He was too fully involved with finding a reason to justify the war. It's a shame, but he'll get his in the end.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 07:40 PM
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7. FULL INVOLVEMENT ...
... equals FULL BLAME. 'N/S
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 07:43 PM
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8. RE-HISTORY. Favourite passtime of the WH & neocons.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 07:43 PM
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9. Clinton cut a vacation short when a large hurricane approached
Hurricane Floyd in 1999.

"US President Bill Clinton cut short a trip to New Zealand and declared a federal state of emergency in both states because of the approaching hurricane."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/446419.stm

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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 08:38 PM
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11. W has never been fully involved in anything except a bottle of Jim Bean
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hopeisaplace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 08:42 PM
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13. Fully involved??? No water to people for 5 DAYS!!!!!!!
I heard this on the news tonight and I was DISGUSTED!
Outraged!
Hey MSM do you remember the Superdome - people dying
cause they DIDN'T HAVE WATER TO DRINK!

All * had to do was turn on the TV - pull some "strings"
and get water to these people - So my question has always
been WHY?????????????????? and the MEDIA HAS YET TO ADDRESS
THIS!

I'm still pissed about this. Sorry for yelling. But I'm still
outraged.

*rant done*
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 09:31 PM
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15. Fully involved eh?
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 10:13 PM
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16. No one thought the levees would break!
No one thought planes would be used as missiles. It's all the same sorry ass stupidity and lies. I need some history books NOW dammit. Living through it is too hard.
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