So why didn't Hackett stand up and say "hell no"?

One thing I liked about Hackett was he wasn't afraid to stand up to people no matter who they were. So why did he roll over on this? Why did he drop out? Why didn't he just tell Reid and Schumer in a poliet manner he wasn't going to and it was going to be up to the people? I'm tired of other people choosing the canidates. I do see where Reid and Schumer are coming from (and from what I understand Brown is VERY liberal/progressive too and we do need as many House seats as possible) but why don't they let the voters decide? Isn't that what an election is? It's still months away from the primaries. Isn't the first primaries starting in August? So they had plenty of time to raise money and poll raitings with people. Let them battle it out and the internet has been amazing with fundraising and Dean can help out too. I thought Hackett was a fighting democrat so why did he roll over on this? If he's leaving politics because of Reid and Schumer maybe it isn't for him. Maybe he can run as an independent or something. I'm just disappointed in the whole thing from Reid and Schumer to Hackett himself.

I see no reason to stay in it...

nobody else will give money to you right? :eyes: Remember when everyone here on Du sent him money when he ran for Congress?

The voters are supposed to vote for the candidate in the primaries. Let them decide.

Although it is a good point that he seems to be dropping out so fast. To suggest leaving politics kinda makes me wonder how committed he actually is/was...

This is a tough situation really.

I made get-out-the-vote calls the weekend before the election.

But guess what kids?!? We've all got elections coming in our own states and districts this fall. And as much as I like Hackett, my more immediate concern is getting rid of my own idiot congresscritter.

I hope you get rid of the person.

tells you to get out, you're out, period. Having the support of these people is essential to accomplishing anything, especially for a neophyte.

Instead of being fucked over and told to step down to another seat by a bunch of out of state party hacks. Maybe he isn't anyone's monkey. Maybe that's why he almost won the reddest of the red districts, he had some obvious integrity and wasn't going to be bought and sold like a cheap suit for the amusement of the party "leadership".

why didn't he tell them "No"? Isn't he supposed to be a fighting democrat? Isn't that why everyone likes him? (and side note I do like him too but am just disgusted how the whole situation and he rolled over)

I think he saw that he couldn't fight to win while being so aggressively undermined by his own party. They've been going at him to get out for months, now. Publically calling him out, and now, possibly drying up his money.

Let the people decide. If he knew the people were on his side in his state why didn't he just stay and say "no"?

When his own party is trying to drive him out? Faith only goes so far. They want him out, they are going after his money, they are publically telling him to leave. He is supposed to win a primary race with all this shit coming at him? I believe in Hackett, but I don't think he is a miracle worker.

betrayal, especially from people who are supposed to be leading the fight.

And then to tell him he should break his own word not to run in the Congressional race?

Yeah, these guys are in touch with the people, fer shure.

telling someone "no, I'm going to keep my word"? They encouraged him to run and Brown said he wouldn't. Than they turn around and change their tunes so he should be the one to roll over instead of standing up and saying "no, let the people decide"?

of, in this case, the Democratic Party. If the "leadership" of your OWN PARTY is, say, drying up your funding to try and force you out of the race (and that I am just reading in posts here, I don't know if it's true), then even though it's your own OPTION to stay and fight, why would you want to? Even if you still wanted to run for Congress, why not just become an independent?

Why would you want to stay part of a "team" that would so ill use you?

he's supposed to be this great fighting democrat right? So why didn't he stand up and say "no"? If you know the people of your state are on your side you should stay and fight. Let the people decide, but he rolled over. If he can't handle this how can he handle the Senate with the big boys?

equanimity? I think party leaders calling your contributors to tell them not to give money to you is different than rolling over against competition. That was my point that you don't seem to have responded to. Why would he want to fight his own party as well as a Republican?

If it was JUST an issue that he couldn't compete with Brown, then I'd agree with your point. But can't you see how the party leaders doing this makes it a different situation entirely?

If this was the case, if he was going to run at all, why wouldn't he want to do it as an independent or something?

Do you know they would have stopped giving? Just because it's reported they told these contributors to stop donating how do you know they would've listened? And isn't a primary about fighting each other?

OWN PARTY leaders undermining you, behind your back!!!! The principle of the thing!!!!

Someone just starting out, looking at a career in politics, how are they going to count on any kind of support from a party that would do that? Where is the trust?

If he's such an independent democrat why didn't he stand up and tell them off?

party doing stuff to you behind your back is something you might not want to "stand up against" and instead, perhaps leave such a party, then there is little point of our continuing to post back and forth past each other. I keep posting this, and you post, "but if he's so tough why didn't he stand up to them?" So clearly you are not understanding me, and perhaps I am not understanding you.

And it doesn't look like that understanding is forthcoming on this thread.

that he wouldn't run, they are putting him in an impossible situation. They are asking him to both endure a betrayal (Brown saying he wouldn't run, then doing so, and "leaders" drying up his donors behind his back), and then to COMMITT a betrayal by breaking his own promise.

The act of doing so would rob him of the very appeal he has to so many of us!!!!!

Probably the only acceptable option would be to withdraw from the Senate race, and the Democratic Party and politics entirely, as sad a day as that would be, it wouldn't require him to break any promises.

The only way it MIGHT be mad acceptable for him to run for the House seat is if the same leadership Mafia "convinced" the other House candidate(s) to withdraw so Hackett would not be opposed in a primary and would not have broken a promise to a Dem candidate.

Doesn't sound too likely under the scenario.

Sounds like the "leadership" had gold in their hand and didn't value it much.

than how can he stand up to others in the senate?

than him.

Really - they have kept Obama pretty clear of "situations". I think it is smart. GOP didn't build up their power base in a few years. They did it over time. I'm sure the Dems want debth & variety & experience. And someone like Hacket is young. Very young. He has a whole career ahead of him.

And if he drops out of politics because of this maybe he isn't cut out for it. Even Tim Ryan (congressman from Ohio) encouraged him to run for the House. If he really wants to help with everything going on he should try that. If he just drops out and doesn't even try for the House maybe he isn't that much of a fighter like we thought which would be disappointing because it would be nice to have him in the House whether as a democrat or as an indie perhaps.

making deals and speaking clearly to his values - he should be an independant. Or a congressman.

Cause politics in the USA is a messy thing.

Ever been strong armed?

Jumpin' Jebus!

I'm thinking, why the hell not? I know the deadline to file with the SEC is Wednesday - he should file as an Independent if he can. But it will mean a ton of indivdiual support and volunteer help to get the word out and so forth.

I'm so pissed, i can't see straight..

and 50% caca with this development.

Hackett could have kept the heat focused on many issues. If he won the primary, that would have spoke for itself. If he didn't, it shows that Brown was the preferred candidate anyway. But in the meantime he would have been the fiery voice that we need talking about this group of thugs.

Being that he was not willing to stand his ground on that principal tells me the unfortunate facts. His interest in holding the party purse was stronger than his interest in exposing the lies he claimed he was so adamant about. That is not the fighter mantra. Rebels hold their ground in the face of adversity and fight for the cause, not to find out which way the wind is blowing. Hackett fails the test.

That's the caca.

The candy, is that Brown was a fighter in the House. He was one of the speakers always at the podium after hours, long after the others had gone home. There were three or four regulars that had weekly hour or two hours of Iraq Watch. They parsed all the propaganda and showed the lies, or the incompetence of piss face and his puppets every week. Detailing the Iraq sham.

Sherrod was often the lead speaker and spoke well. He will be a force to reckon with and will be strong on the campaign trail I believe.

is coming. He will be seen as running to party leaders to coerce Hackett to drop out of the race. That will be seen as a weakness. And the RNC will exploit it.

This may have insured that DeWhine will be returned.

And I am not speaking against Brown. This is just the nature of the Republican Noise Machine.