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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 08:20 AM
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"Peppering" is when those pellets are falling down to Earth and hits you
...no real danger if wearing eye protection....

that was from another thread.

If Whittington has bird shot IN HIM SO DEEP THEY CAN"T GIT IT ALL OUT....those pellets had force behind them....very close to having his head turned into hamburger by Cheney's ineptness.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 08:24 AM
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1. Some calculations in the comments to Paul Begala's colum at TPM...
http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/26663

...figure he may have been as close as 15 feet (and definitely closer to 30 feet than 30 yards) -- so he wasn't "peppered", he was shot.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 08:35 AM
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4. yup, shot in the face, neck, chest....damn those pesky birds
flyin so close to another hunter....

The poor victim...feeble and aged, now has 2 ozs of shot in his body/face anf looks like hell...now is bearing the BLAME...?
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 11:18 AM
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20. Not just any shot. MAGICAL shot.
It peppered down on him from the SIDE. Gravity apparently works sideways on that ranch. It's awfully hard for gravity to drop shot on someone's face, neck, and chest sideways, but, by golly, Darth made it happen!
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 08:27 AM
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2. If Whittington is walking around...
and cracking jokes.. why isn't he on TV or in the press?
My suspicion is he really got shot... in the face.... by the vice president... big time.

Truly it is the cover-up that kills these fckrs.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 08:30 AM
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3. No Pics, no videos, no truth, only spin and BS
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Tin Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 08:36 AM
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5. Yes, let's make this clear - Whittington was SHOT, not peppered !!!
..."peppering" never put a man into the hospital - more lies from the WH spin machine.

Tiny bird shot pellets, upon exit from the barrel of the gun, decellerate rapidly due to their poor aerodynamic shape (a sphere is inherently "draggy" and slow - like a blimp). Here's a graph showing how quickly energy dissipates from shotgun pellets. As you can see, #7.5 birdshot will shed nearly all its balistic energy by the time it reaches 100yds downrange. At this point (and beyond) the shot is harmless - peppering is typically encountered when the shooter takes aim with a "sky" backstop (safe when hunting with birdshot) and the tiny pellets quite harmlessly "rain" back down to earth 2-300 yds downrange.



Whittington WAS NOT peppered, he was SHOT !!!!


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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 08:38 AM
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7. My hubby agrees - he knows weapons and their impact
and he said "that man was shot - nothing "peppered" about it"
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 08:37 AM
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6. Think about the hellraising that would be in progress if the guy ...
had blasted Dick... A shotgun will damn near cut someone in half at close range. I know a guy that killed a very large 8 point whitetail buck with a 2 3/4", #6 shot shell in a 16 ga shotgun, at about 35 or 40 yards. The shot penetrated the deer's chest and busted both of it's lungs. The deer ran about 50 yards and fell over dead. I couldn't believe the kid shot the deer with a shotgun, but I saw it happen.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 08:50 AM
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9. If the guy had blasted Dick in the face...he would be in Gitmo faster
than I can type this.

Dick shot his friend in the FACE...a hunters NO NO and if drinking, worse, ,,,,,,criminal.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 08:56 AM
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12. See Dick. See Dick Shoot. Shoot Dick Shoot...
Dick was hunting Beaver!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 09:04 AM
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Seems like those 2 ole coots had a couple of quail tail between them
how christian is that?? Like, git drunk, shoot some poor defenseless birds, impress the "Tails", smoke expensive cigars, sleep with Tails not married to you, and be happy as a Lark.

Only, in this case....Cheney busted the Party with a "shoot friend in the face NO NO"
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 08:40 AM
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8. The Corpus Christi reporter said she'd been "peppered" before
But she'd never been sprayed so it broke the skin, only "peppered."
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 08:56 AM
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11. Where are the VIDEOs and pics of the victim....? Measelesque???
Face full of RED DOTS?

BTW, 50 to 80 pellets indicate close range, the pattern still kinda tight. Dick...almost killed his friend out right.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 08:54 AM
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10. The fact that
they hit from his cheek to his shoulder tends to indicate that he was closer than some reports say.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 08:58 AM
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13. I agree. I suspect someone will conduct tests at a range to determine
the approx distance by pattern sizes.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 09:02 AM
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14. Yesterday on Fox
they did a hilarious studeo re-enactment, to try to show that Dick didn't do anything wrong. Within 30 seconds, it was obvious they had made a serious mistake. What Dick did was simply not okay, as far as gun/hunter safety goes. (The attempted cover-up is perhaps worse.) But I've read that the victim was 30 feet away, and 30 yards away, and these are significantly different -- a greater difference, I should note, than between 30 inches and 30 feet.
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 09:05 AM
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17. Is there a CSI Corpus Christi?.......
If not there should be.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 09:04 AM
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15. Yep. Hubby said the same thing. Have to rely on hubby on this
He knows weapons...I don't.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 09:33 AM
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18. You're right about that.
If the man had been 30 yards away, the shot pattern would have been at least two feet in diameter and probably more like 3 feet. A 28ga. will hold a tight pattern, but not that tight at that distance(30 yards)... Most bird hunters shoot a modified choke barrel too, which allows the shot to spread faster and at a shorter range than a full choke barrel will. I think Cheney was shooting an over and under, which may have had a full and a mod. barrel both.

You're talking about a shot pattern about the size of a coffee can and that tells me it was probably no more than 15 yards at the max. I'd say the man is damned lucky he's not dead, or blind. The plastic shot cup would have hurt the man also, at close range.

A lot of people try and kill themselves with shotguns and some end up botching the job and blowing away part of their heads and surviving the blast. I know a man who did just that and he looks like a monster even after 10 years of plastic surgery. The guy blew away half of his face from his chin up to his eye and it took out one eye. He still has several pellets embedded in his skull and brain, that they can't remove. He has seizures caused by pellets in his brain. The plastic surgeons told him that they see people blown up like him quite often, when people use a shotgun to try and kill themselves. The man was dog drunk, when he tried to commit suicide. His wife and four year old daughter were upstairs asleep when he did it.


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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 09:05 AM
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16. I hadn't heard this spin tactic... they are full of shit
I've been peppered by bb shot more than once and I've never had to make a trip to the hospital because of it. Further, it's never made me bleed.

While I'll agree that our skin becomes more brittle as we age, there is no way this man would need emergency medical assistance if he was merely "peppered". Also, how does one get peppered at 30 feet away? You'd need to be 100+ feet down from the shot.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 11:15 AM
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19. If the guy dies...pepper will not be used again...
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