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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:26 PM
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Howard Dean has something to say about Paul Hackett
About Paul Hackett
Posted by Howard Dean on February 14, 2006 at 11:57 AM

As you know, Iraq veteran Paul Hackett left the race for U.S. Senate in Ohio today. In his campaigns, Paul had the courage to stand up and speak out for what he believes in. That is how Democrats will win elections and take this country back for the people who built it. Our country and our party are better off when people like Paul step up and run for office, up and down the ballot, in every election. I also want you to know that it is the policy of the Democratic National Committee not to intervene in contested primaries. We need more people running for office at every level, gaining experience and bringing new voices into our party. I want to thank Paul Hackett for inspiring so many people to be part of the political process, including many of the "Fighting Dems" running for office across the country.

http://www.democrats.org/a/2006/02/about_paul_hack.php

:kick:

Keep up the fight, Howard

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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:28 PM
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1. Dean is creating a new DNC...I LIKE IT! n/t
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 07:39 PM
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28. Yes, he is. Here is some info from the Hotline blog:

Dean: Here's How I'm Doin'

Howard Dean wants you (and donors) to know what he's done with all that money. In an "Annual Report" the DNC released this afternoon, Dean touts the success of "The Plan" -- showing up everywhere, strengthening state parties, focusing on core values, training leaders, cutting edge technology, etc.

As we've written, it's hard to conclude that Dean has not fulfilled his campaign promise. He was elected because state party chairs and activists who depend on state parties for their political (and professional) livelihoods believed that Dean would direct money and resources in their direction. The quo for the quid was supposed to be measurable progress in getting state party finances in order, registering new voters and starting aggressive and early coordinated campaigns.

Needless to say, these are not the metrics that Terry McAuliffe's donors were used to.

As an adviser to Dean has said, "Howard did not become DNC chair because he was beholden to fundraisers and he has not chaired the DNC as if were beholden to fundraisers."

But even Dean's admirers, including many who worked on his presidential campaign, cannot understand why the DNC spent so much money up front -- checks come in, checks go out. Why devote hundreds of thousands of dollars staffing up in Idaho when the money could be stored for a better coordinated campaign in, say, Michigan or Ohio. Or transfered to the DCCC for an IE? Or why did the DNC end the year with barely $5M in the bank -- a scary figure even to some DNC insiders?

The very question gets at the culture clash. Dean's close advisers say that if Dean didn't throw everything he had into his program in an off-year, the establishment would never permit him to spend that much money in an election year. The Democrats' future depends on it, they say."

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2006/02/dean_heres_how.html

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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:35 AM
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41. Saw it, thanks for the link n/t
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:28 PM
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2. ironic statement here:
I also want you to know that it is the policy of the Democratic National Committee not to intervene in contested primaries.


um....so, what happened, then? Was Reid and Schumer acting on their own?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:29 PM
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3. Yes.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:30 PM
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6. Sounds more like acting for the Establishment
than anything else. But hey, what do I know? I'm just a card carrying Democrat and registered voter.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:47 PM
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10. Difference between "caucus" and"party"
When it comes to Democrats in a US Senate race, it is the Senate caucus who makes such calls, not the party. Then there's the fact that there is a State party and a National party to consider. Chances are the caucus acted pretty unilaterally.

Julie
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 03:18 PM
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12. THANK YOU.
If I could make your post required reading for everyone on DU, I would.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 07:00 PM
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24. The gatekeepers of their cushy little club.
I don't know enough about Hackett to know whether he was the best candidate but these Palace games are not why I've always identified myself as a Dem. This was literally Bush league.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 06:35 PM
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15. DNC is not the DSCC or DCCC
Good lord would people get a freaking clue?!?!
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 06:59 PM
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22. when will people stop jumping to conclusions???
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 07:00 PM by Lerkfish
Why is anyone, especially, the house minority leader, NOT following the DNC's standards?

why has the democratic party become an alphabet soup of acronyms that don't communicate with each other and have conflicting agendas?


ok, we now return you to your regularly scheduled program. Next time you THINK I don't have a clue, try asking me first.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 08:45 PM
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33. sorry, im just knee-jerking to all the knee-jerk anti DNC stuff lately
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 08:40 AM
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40. no problem. all is forgiven. :)
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 06:55 PM
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21. It's the DSCC's job
To support the Senate campaigns across the country. It's not their job to stay out of campaigns, it's their job to get smack in the middle of them, raise money, cultivate the best candidates, help with strategy, and all the rest. No they aren't doing a great job, but it is still their job.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 07:00 PM
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23. alrighty then, I stand chastised.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 07:16 PM
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25. No, just adding info
Not chastising anybody. Just trying to put it in the right perspective, it is the DSCC's job to get Senator's elected, they really are supposed to be smack in the middle of it. That's all.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 10:36 PM
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35. They pick and choose -- BADLY
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 10:42 PM by pat_k
They use money to manipulate. They are fine as long as they have a clear path to follow. When faced with choices, they make decisions that do more harm than good.

I have no doubt that they think they are helping -- just like the Alito defectors somehow figured it would "help" to pave Alito's way to the court by voting for cloture, and then hypocritically claim "opposition" by voting against him on the floor.

It's tragic. The DSCC and DCCC are creatures of the insular beltway mentality. They can't help but inject the consistently wrong-headed beltway "conventional wisdom" into anything they touch.

The biggest problem the party faces is the perception that they are weak. Hackett's strength and principled commitment are just what the doctor ordered. Tragically, irrational fear is causing the "patient" to reject treatment.

I hope I am wrong, but by pushing Hackett out of the race, I think they've lost us both Schmidt's and DeWine's seats. . . and others that would have been bolstered by the boost Hackett's Senate campaign would have given the Democratic party.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 11:06 PM
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36. Can't disagree with that
They do seem to make alot of bad choices from where I sit, but I don't have to figure out how to win seats in Washington, Nebraska, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, etc. If a hot head in Ohio is going to make someone in Nebraska skittish, what would I do. Not sure. Not in the short term anyway. I think it's alot easier to blast away at Schumer when you aren't responsible for the consequences the way he is.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 11:28 PM
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37. It's impossible to make good decsions when your head is trapped in the. .
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 11:28 PM by pat_k
. . . beltway sphincter.

They just need to do ONE thing to start making better decisions. Extract their heads from the beltway sphincter and spend some time away from the analstocracy.

Gore gets saner with every day he spends away from that place. Kerry was out of the country just a couple weeks, and there he was, calling for a filibuster. . .

Even tweety woke up a bit after he spent the Christmas holiday out of town.
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 02:56 PM
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43. Cultivate, yes. Meddle, NO!
There is a huge difference and I would argue they didn't do their job in this case.

They have no right to choose who will be on that ballot by telling contributors where to send their money or asking a candidate to quit under veiled threats of financial excommunication. Their job in cultivating candidates should be to offer services to all Dem candidates in a way that gives them an equal chance to communicate their background, skills and platform to the voters, the ultimate decisionsmakers in an ideal world.

The Democratic voters should be the ones to decide who to elect in a primary, not a couple of senators in DC. What the DSCC did was heavy handed, wrong and another of many reasons to donate directly to candidates and not to the DSCC or DCCC. If they want threats of financial excommunication, I say we give it to them.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 07:22 PM
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26. That's what it sounds like...
God, when are Dems going to quit lining up in a circular firing squad?
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 08:20 PM
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30. OF COURSE. Dean has NO authority over them, as well as NO
POLICY authority for the Party. Remember???

I keep trying to tell people, and there still seem to be an unending stream of people who just don't know, don't realize, wont' believe, whatever.

It's TRUE: If you want the kind of change that we moan about needing to be done CONSTANTLY here, then support Howard Dean and the DNC. In this instance he DARED speak up against the Washingtonian Dems, and that took a bit of courage -- something Howard has in abundance. He's working his ass off, doing GREAT work. He deserves nothing but our support.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 08:25 PM
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32. um...I'm NOT criticizing Dean here.
quite the opposite, actually.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:38 AM
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42. The DNC is not the DSCC
How many times to we have to go over this? Reid is the leader of the Senate Democrats, Howard Dean does not have any control of Reid's behavior. Howard Dean is the head of the National Party and - unlike Terry McAwful - will not poke his nose into the middle of a primary.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:26 AM
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44. read post #22
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:02 PM
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45. It has nothing to do with whether or not they communicate with each other
Are you implying we should get rid of the House, Senate and Presidency and just have a big group of people make chaotic decisions for the country?

The DSCC is the fund raising and campaign promoting arm of the Senate Dems. - as the DCCC is of the House Dems. and the DNC for the National Democratic Party. There should be three groups in charge and they should not be able to control what the other groups do. Should they work together? Might be a good idea :sarcasm: But the head of the DNC should not get the royal bitch-out when the head of the DSCC does something that some Democrats see as stupid.


Read your post #2....Reid can do whatever he wants, Howard Dean says the part of the Party that HE is in control of WILL NOT interfere in a primary.

Be pissed at Reid, not Dean.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:09 PM
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46. *throws up my hands*
ok, I give up, go ahead and operate on a mistaken assumption of what I said or what I meant.

For the record, I"m not pissed at Dean. I think Dean has the right of it.

Not that telling you what I REALLY think should interfere withwhat you THINK I THINK.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:55 AM
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47. In the interest of being obvious
Why didn't you start your post with something like "Howard Dean has it right" rather than vauge insinuations of Dean having no control over Reid, et al?

Can't really read your intentions on this board, can I?
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:29 PM
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4. Dean, in my mind, is the best thing Democrats have.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:30 PM
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5. He sounds pissed
-defining the DNC policy NOT to intervine. Hackett IDd the DSCC. I wonder if Dean talked to him about it. Hmmmm.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:33 PM
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7. I posted this earlier.
I got a lot of flack for saying people should read between the lines. I finally self-deleted it rather than have to explain. Thanks for trying to explain. Good luck.

Hackett's post is up at DFA now. People here need to read between lines and stop insulting everyone in general.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:40 PM
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9. It's the curse of multiple acronyms beginning with "D"
:)

DNC, DSCC, DCCC, DFA, DLC - I wouldn't like to be the teacher either, m.

Folks can learn the difference or run screaming like a mob into the various ideological corners.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 07:26 PM
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27. And "D" is the most important letter....
All the D's need to get on the same damned page. We NEED Hackett in this party...too damned bad, now!
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Orion The Hunter Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:33 PM
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8. Gov. Dean once again right on point!
Yeah Dean! It's not the job of the committees to pick the candidates - they and we should all be happy that folks like Mr. Hackett want to get involved!
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 03:16 PM
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11. I imagine that Dean is NOT HAPPY AT ALL. This flies in the face
of what he is trying to accomplish in red states, like mine.

Not to mention, it looks pretty freaking bad to have a candidate like Paul Hackett get knee-capped by his own party.

Especially BEFORE THE GOOD DEMS OF OHIO even get a chance to pick their own candidate!

Where have I read this story before????

Reid and Schumer have usurped the Democratic voters of Ohio (not very democratic, huh?) and they deserve an ass-kicking.

Geez, at least here in good old (red) Texas, I know who my friends are.
I can identify a Texas Dem from 20 paces and I don't have to worry about them slitting my throat like a republican.
Then again, we depend on each other for survival here - dumbass Reid and Schumer could learn something about that.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:41 PM
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13. Right, it is exactly against what Dean is trying to do.
I think he is probably feeling very cross about this.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 06:32 PM
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14. kick
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 06:43 PM
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16. I've added this to the THREAD COMPILATION on Hackett's withdrawal:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x411573
thread title (2-14-06 GD): COMPILATION of Hackett withdrawal threads and 3 CARTOONS for the DEMS:

Check it out - most listed threads include excerpts. It's intended as a quick way to get an idea of the range of the response plus facts.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 06:46 PM
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17. Yes, Reid and Schumer are EXACTLY what we need to LOSE elections.
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 06:47 PM by BuyingThyme
These guys, no matter what else you think of them, steal our voices.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 07:49 PM
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29. I feel the same though I'm kind of torn
When I heard Hacket talk about killing Iraqi's before on the radio, I was a little turned off. I know we need to create killers for the war effort, but it hurts me to hear it.
Big Eddy had the freaks from Midwestheroes.com on and questioned the attack on the media. They were total right wingers conflating the issue of Iraq and 911. Of course their real message is to kill them over there.
:freak:
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 08:25 PM
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31. Well put.
Steal our voices, and do it under the delusion that they have a right to do so.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 11:37 PM
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38. Yup. If you won't sign on to their program, or THEY don't "create"
you, they WILL KNEE-CAP you.

Dean is trying to get people to run in all areas of the country. The
attack on our own populist candidates is a stab in the back.

It is so obvious, that even I get it.
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NJ Democrats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 06:49 PM
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18. Yeah Go Howard.
I'm so disappointed. I wanted Hackett to win. I knew he could.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 06:51 PM
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19. Recommended!
:kick:
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 06:51 PM
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20. thanks for this
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 08:47 PM
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34. Thank you, Dr. Dean! Now let's get Hackett to run for the House seat!
Don't let this great man get away! PLEASE?!?!?!?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 11:38 PM
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39. I really do like Dean running the DNC
I like his grassroots efforts and he's doing a great job.
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