More Abu Ghraib torture photos (danger: not pleasant)

Shameful. Horrific. How fast these pics will spread and how much pain and anger they will cause.

I'm not. Not right now. :cry:

:puke:

Proud Citizen of the World, who happens to reside in the United States.

It repulses me to think that there is ANYONE left who buys bushco's claims of moral superiority. History will not be kind to the US of the early 21st Century. And it shouldn't be. These repulsive thugs need to be discredited quickly and thoroughly. I want to see the name "George" given the same stigma as "Adolf," although I don't really EXPECT it to go down that way.

It's been downhill from then on.

But those PHOTOS are sure duing some damage to our image, huh?

Not the actual TORTURE - oh I mean RENDITION - mind you, just the release of the photos of the TORTURE, opps - I mean RENDITIONS!

this kind of pain on another human being? I don't understand that. It made me ill to view these pics and I only got through just a few of them.

As despicable as may be this American Nazism, we can't hang it all around the neck of poor King George.

It goes back a long way--certainly at least as far as to the US savagery in the Philippines. Much more recently, one event dwarfs anything that has yet happened in Iraq: the Vietnam war. Started and expanded bloodily by Democrats, the war saw US troops slay 3 million Vietnamese.

If you aren't familiar with the organized rape, torture, murder, assassination, mass slaughter of innocents and other violations of the Geneva Convention committed by the US in Vietnam, then you need to look up the 2004 Pulitzer-prize winning series in the Toledo Blade.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=SRTIGERFORCE

Reading about Tiger Force will teach you that in these matters, Bush is something of an amateur yet.

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our nation, they are not some out-of-control punks conducting a harmless hazing. This administration is fighting tooth and nail to maintain their right to administer "abhorant" treatment to prisoners of an illegal War.

Anyone who condones & excuses such behavior surely shouldn't complain when the head-choppers choose their own "methods"! Barbarism is abhorant, period. (And not to be expected from the armies of those spreading "democracy")

Who are the real terrorists, indeed?

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But likening our soldiers' actions & our national policies to those of the "Terrorists" just shows how low some in this country have stooped, doesn't it? That is what this new culture of democracy really represents to the rest of the world. And it is to be feared.

This is so typical of those who wish to eliminate our opposition in any way possible,

"Then you need to watch the video of the Islamic Terrorists cutting the heads off of the infidels. While the actions in the Abu Gharib prison is abhorant, it is barely more then I was subjected to during my fraternity hazing."

I'm surprised PHXG lived to tell us about it!

Let me guess. You have your own "club gitmo" attire.


Where IS the alert button!


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Your comparison to fraternity hazing is fallacious. You ENDURED something because you desired something. I’m sure these people (not just men, mind you) were getting nothing out of this, nor did they want anything. Therefore your argument has no merit.

To the degree to which they went? I’m sure your frat brothers gave you a good ribbing, and may have embarrassed you, something you laughed at later. However I doubt your head was BEATEN into a door till blood ran down it. I doubt that people chained you so they could sic dogs on you in a Third World Country where dogs are hated, and feared, completely different from here in the U.S. where they are common pets.

Not to mention that a LARGE NUMBER of the people there are innocent, to the tune of 80-90%. They are not all “terrorists or insurgents” but people of age who don’t answer questions well enough. Be it because of nervousness, lack of education, this is all the justification needed to do this to them.

It amazes me that people use the excuse of what some terrorists do, to condemn ALL Arabs. ESPECIALLY in a country that then HYPOCRITICALLY claims that people are “innocent till proven guilty.”

Stop Parroting Rush Limbaugh And The Freepers!!! That Argument Is Offensive To Anyone With Half An IQ Point!!!

WTC is revenge to the terrorists. It just keeps going. They should have shown all the pictures at one time and been done with it. Next year some more will come out at this rate. We can hardly say we do the moral thing any more with all that Bush has dome. We used to be able to say we do not do those things. Now the Govt. builds the camps and lets the big wigs off free. One has to pity any service man that these terrorist get a hold of. I think one has been missing for months now and God only knows what they did to that kid.

don't understand that when you start using such abhorrent practices, you are losing whatever principles you claim you are fighting for.

I remember after Abu Graihb was first exposed, Lieberman used that idiotic RW comment "the terrorists never apologized for 9/11".

Well no shit! They're terrorists for God's sake. So that's where we should set our bar?

We as a nation are supposedly fighting for 'freedom' and 'democracy' abroad. We are supposedly a 'civilized' nation. These are not civilized practices and I'd rather not Set our standards as that of Islamic terrorists.

But then again, the RWers have no such principles of decency, so they really have nothing to lose after all. They have more in common with thee Islamic fundy fanatics than they would care to admit.

While I don't like Bush.....these islamics subject their OWN PEOPLE to MUCH WORSE than anything you see in these photos. Muslims cut off the heads of humans like farmers cut the heads off chickens here in the US....all for violating some stupid muslim command.

...till blood flowed. Or burning them with cigarettes. Or hanging them upside down by their ankles.
I suspect that any fraternity that did such things would be shut-down and the ringleaders prosecuted.

This is torture.
While it may not be as bad as some Muslim countries themselves inflict; it is still torture.

We are (or at least used to be) the United States of America. Leader of the FREE world.
We were suppose to be the shining city on the hill. We are SUPPOSE to be better than this.

This conduct, sanctioned by this administration, is harmful to the national interest.
It undercuts (what little remains) of our Morale standing.
It makes us look no better than any other conquering nation...
...and perhaps worse than some we have harangued in the past.

The policies of this administration has encouraged this behavior.
It is a crime.
One of many crimes this administration has committed.

Where is the outrage at this administration from the "Morale Majority"?
It seems they are no longer either "Morale" or a "Majority" anymore.

Not that we don't appreciate the opportunity to give you all kinds of hell. Skull and Bones hazing aside, you were probably too fucking drunk to remember it actually happening anyway. These people are prisoners of war. This used to be an honorable nation, we shouldn't do things like this to our POWs, let alone our own fucking citizens (ie Guantanamo). These people, regaurdless of there crimes, need to be treated humanely by their captors. Not because of the nature of their crime, or that they have a POW status, but because their captors are Americans. Americans are SUPPOSED to be the good guys. History shows us a hundred blemishes upon our country. We are far from a perfect nation, but for every blemish there are a thousand examples of what an honorable nation is supposed to be. Many other countries looked up to us. Many governments patterned their own laws on Our Constitution. We had earned the respect of most of the world, not because of our military might, nor our monstrous economic power, but because we were an honorable nation. They could count on us to do the right thing. Now we have let them down. We used to be heros, now we are tyrants. We are Anakin Skywalker.

I'm as proud to be an American as I ever was. The monsters committing these crimes and those supporting them are not Americans, in my eyes. When someone chooses to so violently subvert the principles of the US constitution and of common decency, they've forfeited their status as Americans, regardless of any official title or flag sewn on their uniform. This applies to these grinning 'soldiers' all the way up to the smirking impostors running the White House.

I'd venture to say there are still a lot more good folks calling themselves Americans than bad ones. Let us not so easily allow images of an evil minority to subvert our ideals and pride in country or citizenship.

But thanks for posting.

It's NOT our freedom that they hate us for, it's what we do with it! :cry:

a victim has "I'm a rapest" written across his hip.

These are a chilling record of our inhumanity, indeed. They make me very sad.

this shit is seriously disturbing. I grew up grateful to live in a country where this kind of thing did not stand, and here it is, happening at the command of our leaders, people who are supposed to live and work by the highest ethical and moral standards...

It breaks my heart to think that there are people in the world who are suffering at our hands, in our names, against our will.

No wonder we are hated so much,and then bu$h and his gang of thugs wanted to get rid of Saddam because he "tortured and killed his own people".

Yeah,let's get rid of the Iraqi dictator and let America's DICKtator do the torturing and killing for him. Make sense?:grr: :grr: :grr:Damn hypocrites.

mouth...

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his mouth? Someone's spunk? Sick sick bastards that do that stuff.

These are horrible and serve to put the "tame" pictures previously released into context.

You see the guy with the hood and the box, and the pipe arrangement from the most infamous picture.

No wonder they're so angry with us if this is who we are.

the man is dead and in a body bag. I have no words.........;(

Why don't we figure out a way to send it across the net? I mean, what's stopping us?:grr:

Maybe we can contribute to saving the republic by pulling out all the stops, so to speak...

except for number 3 I think the first bunch were worse. Still I hope it renews a call for the rest to be published.

we haven't been made privy to.

My bet is on there being worse ones, but the press in Australia not wanting to anger the giant too much so they kept to some that were a little... "tamer"? than some others...

I just don't understand it... sadistic...

Sy Hersh maintains there is video of kids getting raped. I think THAT is what they are really fighting from getting released.

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in pic # 11.

would be necessary to see it, but I don't want to see that...

Fuckin' A man...

Linked from the main post.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11923.htm

I agree with you that these are most likely the less offensive of the 60 new ones that have been released.

Riots over the cartoons? Things are going to get a whole lot worse.

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and how disgusting it is.... It's criminal for the MSM to not show these pics, most aren't near as graphic as the CSI shows.

would attempt to justify this abuse as necessary for keeping our nation safe. They are monsters, miscreants, and a blight upon humanity.

I'm so ashamed.

Is the way the *ush bastards dare to claim "moral superiority" for their actions.

They'll probably never see them otherwise except maybe just one or two.

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I think there is a group of Americans who will only see a group of poor brown people getting "what they deserved." America is full of idiots who not only condone this shit, but are happy about it.

I'm waiting for the whiny "the photos just enable the terrorists" bullshit, when actually, us TORTURING arab prisoners is enabling the fucking terrorism. Stupid goddamn freepers.

in Iraq... Okay, not "kind of scared"--I'm fucking terrified...

This is Abu Ghraib, not Guantanamo. Most of these people are just normal Iraqis arrested on various charges - from assault to riding through a checkpoint. Hardly anyone is even actually tried or convicted. While there are suspected insurgents, there's also a whole lot of innocent people that were caught up in the mix. But people w/that mindset probably consider anyone with brown skin a terrorist, so the distinction might not matter too much to them.

If an acquaintance of yours confessed to murdering someone, you'd turn them in, right?

We need to turn in the junta. Too bad the thugs can wave off the U.N. with their many nuclear missiles. x( Guess _that's_ wht they were for all along.. "befense by deterrent" my aunt's fanny!

Now we know why ALL the photos were never released.

Would they be as tough if it were one-on-one and the detainee was their size and not handcuffed?

Not a chance in hell.

I'm really getting tired of the lies! :grr:

I'm way past being sick of the lies and the inhumane actions of this bunch of thugs who have hijacked our government.

prisoners and this sick shit. This is some sick shit and if my Son were ever to be captured, would his captors in turn do this to him because these sick fucks in the administration condoned these actions?

they made the Germans in surrounding villages help in the clean up so that no one could deny what had happened. It's the duty of every American who loves their country to look at these photos. Otherwise, you cannot be informed.

x(

How can these evil-hearted criminals STILL be in power, here, in this country? :shrug:

fu*k is wrong with people ? Sick disgusting stuff.

What is that guy doing with the instrument at that guys mouth with blood everywhere?

These need to be made into billboards so all the good little GOPers who voted for the Moral Values Party can see just what kind of values their party advocates. Soccermom Suzy has no idea........

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out of one's mouth. As you can imagine, it hurts like hell... At first I thought he was cutting out the poor guy's tongue... Man, this is just sick....

who took these pics and why did they take them. Surely not a whistleblower or torture opponent since there was a lot of posing.

Yes, the pic almost looks higher than the mouth. Like he is cutting the guys nose off.

I asked him, "Is this the America you want?"

His answer, "If it prevents the America THEY want, hell yes!"

first Sadamm,now us.....

and irresponsible governments to perpetrate crimes against human beings...

I'd really want a few minutes alone with him.

"Those are just terrorist that want to destroy our way of life". They are brain dead.

All of the pictures are awful, but #14 disturbs me the most. The man appears to be dead and in a body bag.

you mean our life of mindless TV and consumerism while we're being spied, censored and can be arrested for dissent? THAT way of life?

No, the people in Iraq only want to KEEP their lives.But I'm afraid that this fact is completely lost on Soccermom Suzie.

Saddam's and Hitler's government/military machines in what way?

How can one human being do anything like that to another?!

I wonder if the "ever popular" first lady has seen some or all of the photos, and if she has does it interrupt her sleep at night. But then, with an in-law like ol' Babs to teach her, I doubt she lets it bother her "beautiful mind" either.

Wouldn't that stupid Lee Greenwood song "Proud to be an American" make a fine soundtrack to a slideshow of these pictures?

The thought sent shivers down my spine.

...everybody here needs to save a copy of each photo and the video. Make sure these don't disappear.

my real estate agent!

The most horrific thing to me is the SMILES on the Americans' faces. How sadistic can a human be?!?

and send them to the Hague where they will get their fair treatment

THATS what they fought the ACLU to keep out of the public eye?

America will absorb these photos with a shrug. Ho-hum, the sequel is never better than the original. They add no new atrocities to the list we're already comfortable with. The main soldier depicted is the douchebag already doing time for it.

The private torture contractors will skate because they were too smart to take pictures.

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Remind me once more, how are we somehow "better" than Sadam?

I felt nausea when I saw them

I still don't understand how this helps make us safer, that part really escapes me, I guess I'm a close minded, hard headed, liberal

But I read these replies.

You all remind me there are still people who know evil when they see it.

Sadism is not sane or a healthy way to feel "pleasure".I know some will disagree. I draw a line at abusing others for"fun" to me it creates this kind of horrors.

S/m culture that is going out of bounds is really sickening this country in the heart.Why do you think the torturers were SMILING,they were GETTING OFF on torturing these prisoners anbd they were PROUD of it.Proud of thier SICKNESS.
This S/M fetishizing of torture and death,mentality and a fetishism of domination has infiltrated so many minds, social institutions and relationships it has made our country more sociopathic . It's sad in some places people asre so conditioned to see abuse as "good" some people don't even recognize chilsd abuse,torture as something wrong or evil anymore..S/m as a culture IMO is sick because ultimately it is all about abusing and degrading others to get off on it,and even when the masochists say they wantto be hurt and degraded nobody asks WHY they want to be treated like this,not even the masochist themself. Even if consent is given does not make torture right, or good..Even masochistic people can get addicted to power/powerlessness games, be re traumatized and get addicted to their own endorphins/power trips..Torture.sadism and bullying is wrong no matter why is it done or what excuses these "tops" make for themselves ..Sadism and enabiling sadisds is always wrong..in my eyes. The S/M mentality is what makes Abu Gharib possible.

Once society learns or is conditioned to accept certain conditions that are "ok" for abusing other people or torture ,then it's not long until the range of acceptable situations for torture expands into other areas of relationships or culture . Because ALL sadistic bullies are SICK they will never stop looking for more ways to get away with abusing other people because they get such pleasure from doing it they'll defend and excuse it.They are sociopath and all sociopaths seek a culture that enables and tolerates their sadism..So it's very convenient to sadistic assholes that masochists enable and make excuses for them because the masochist is addicted to endorphins or has issues. Our culture is sick because we fail to recognize abuse for what it is EVIL. WRONG. And sadists and morally inferior people exploiting human vulnerability and human biology...

you see the really bad ones in the mix and it turns your stomach, wounds your soul and sends a shiver up your spine over the barbaric way they are being treated.

each one. What caused the blood

The victims asked for it,
Sadists say it's part of war war is ugly
Sadissts bullies make excuses,
I wonder to myself how many sadists sign up for the militaryt and go to wars just to get off on doing things like this to helpless people?

Fetishists are not always able to CONTROL themselves.

(FYI A fetish is NOT a sexual orientation or sexual idenitity donb't let some S/M fetish manipulator try to tell you otherwise)

Savage love making excuses..for sadists..even though he is aware of the dangers of such "play". This is inexcusable.
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=4999

Sounds like people on Free republic who said Abu Gharib was like a college prank.

And Fetishists don't always keep thier fetish to the bedroom..
Maybe Mistress fuckwit should join the army.

http://www.nowtoronto.com/issues/2005-12-29/savage.php

To me,Savage love demonstrated the danger of an S/m lifestyle and how it excuses torture ..How many things go on in "home dungeons" that are like the photos turing everyone's stomach?

And what makes someone willing to suffer such horror? Are they conditioned to accept it? Child abuse does scar people as does school bullying.

Sociopaths are apparently born not made.

sorry folks, I wanted to print what others are not willing to look at and I don't mean that in a bad way. I don't blame people for not wanting to look at these pictures. I didn't look at these because I had a perverse interest in seeing human's being tortured. But I must know what atrocities have occured and why the insurgency has grown to the proportions that is has. After seeing these IT ALL MAKES SENSES.

To those that don't want to look, don't, trust us they are bad but read what others that have seen the photos are saying and believe them. Stalin had his commanders do this shit,

Because I have been tortured and it would have maybe caused me to get set back in my therapy 6 months. When the first pics were out I saw it and freaked out pretty bad I had nightmares and flashbacks.

So for me I don't look at the pics because it would mess me up. I have PSTD.And frankly there is a paert of the population that has trauma issues and because they are scared they support a sadists who is not hurting THEM in thier fear and confusion and end up excusing torture.. ButI have found when I speak up, share my story and point out the connections beteween addiction, child abuse ,S/M fetish,war crimes, and sociopathy and how these problems create a synergy in our culture that favors bullies sadists and sociopaths and excuses abuse of vuunerable perople kids women and victims of abuse. I feel I am doing SOMETHING against the abusive assholes who hurt me and continue to hurt others.

I hate and will not tolerate all torturers,rapists,pedophiles abusers of trust,sadists,sociopaths and bullies.I wish them all dead.They are morally inferior people that should NEVER be trusted or excused when they abuse trust or hurt someone or condition a person to seek to be abused..

As for that old saw I hear On DU sometimes.. that child abuse makes someone become a rapist or torturer ..that is horseshit.

I never raped or abused anyone even though I faced torture myself.

In my experince,anmd I have spend alot of time in trauma recovery,if the will and desire to be a sadist is in you already in you,then your character flaw maybe could be enhanced by abuse,it can make a sadistic ass more vicious maybe, but it can never CAUSE sociopathy. Past trauma can never be used as an EXCUSE for a sadists current sociopathic abuse.

One thing these sadist enablers forget is..there are plenty of abuse and torture victims who NEVER go abuse others because they were tortured. And there are alot of sadists with HEALTHY non abusive childhoods who torture.

The people who use past trauma to excuse themselves are morally degenerate assholes IMHO.And they people who buy such excuses are enablers.

desensitized due to the ongoing policies of our government and the fact that we have already seen torture photographs--we can't let that happen--it's a true danger to our humanity.

Desensitized by violent shows on TV so blood and corpses and abuse no longer shock.
Desensitized over time we see enough killing and suffering we become conditioned to see it as normal'
The Yanomano tribe are abusive.The Yanomano men beat and rape all women from day one. The women are conditioned.. When a researcher stayed with the Yanomano to study them, the beaten yanomano women thought the researchers husband musst not love her..why? because she had no bruises or scars.

For one half of the population to accept abuse it must be taught fear and submission for the other half to dominate they must be taught enntitlement and domination.

How much of our culture is all about teaching kids about enabling social domination and conforming to domination? Fearing punishment seeking rewards? How much of our jobs and interactions are tainted with the moral quandry of excusing abuses of power out of cowardly self preservation from abusers of power,or confronting petty sociopaths?

Amongst the Yanomamo*, an American Indian tribe living in Amazonia, the males regularly ingest large quantities of hallucinogenic drugs. They are highly aggressive. Much of their aggression is unleashed upon their women; 'All Yanomamo men physically abuse their wives,' writes anthropologist Marvin Harris. 'Kind husbands merely bruise and mutilate them; the fierce ones wound and kill.' Yanomamo women do not see this as reprehensible ; on the contrary, they are apparently proud of the bruises that they bear. Dr. Judith Shapiro, one of the anthropologists to study this people, found that the women felt concern for her, because her unscarred appearance indicated that no man cared for her very deeply.

http://www.timothyjpmason.com/WebPages/Deviance/Deviance1.htm

What makes this torture rape and abuse seem OK in Yanomano Culture?
http://www.unknownnews.net/a061312-1.html

http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/eln07_evolution.html
http://www.annafoundation.org/CR.html
http://www.sidran.org/anna.html

A more"spiritual" approach to the same issue.
http://www.newfrontier.com/asheville/recovery_of_soul_in_the_wreckage.htm

heard of this situation...

seen as weather it's damage or trophy pictures.

You are quite correct, we are desensatized and we should not be, these are horrible things that have beendone to humans.

My husband is a Marine serving in Iraq--he and the rest of our soldiers deserve our respect.

The problem here is systemic--our government has condoned and ordered these things--that is the problem.

"A few bad apples" doesn't ring true.

We have a corrupt administration that makes no apologies for the abuses suffered by detainees in the prisons we have set up in our "war on terror"--this is what we need to focus on.

Let the reich-wing blame this on our troops--I will not. We can't let this become Vietnam II by treating our troops like dirt because of what they have had to do. While I am sure some of these soldiers deserve to go to jail for what they have done, they should not pay the full price for this--the problem goes much, much higher up than the people who are carrying out these orders.

As a Viet Nam era vet believe me I know how easy it is for the general public to condemn everyone involved. #71 needs to consider that not all the troops involved are policy makers and not all have a lot in common with the individuals in the photos.

I sincerely hope your husband will come back to you soon, safe and sound, with his head held high knowing that he did his job the best he could.


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Just in on CNN- Rumsfeld was to have a news conf. But, he cancelled it.

CNN reporter (?name) says, "He (Rumsfeld) has complete control over his schedule and whether or not to hold a news conf" and she suspects that the release of these photos has led him to cancel.

Also, photos are now out on the Arab street. Reporting from Iraq. No reports of unrest, yet.

I'm not gonna mince words here. I don't respect the military or most police, because the people in these outfits have collectively become a SYSTEM. I do not respect or trust any system or anyone who represents a system.
I don’t respect anyone who hasn't earned my trust according to my own standards of what makes someone trust-worthy, as determined by their actions.

You know that biblical cheese,"By their fruits you shall know them"? It actually applies here. No system, no leader, no state, nobody has the automatic right to be trusted — ever.

http://www.unknownnews.net/031126a-up.html

And that goes DOUBLE for obedience.

They wrote "Rapeist" on a prisoner.

It's no surprise that the less educated someone is, the more likely they are to be violent.

our fearless leaders are well educated and we all know of the violence they are capable of. They just have the lower socio-economic (and yes, less educated) classes carrying it out. I'm not thinking too highly of humankind right about now...sigh.

Bush is allowing this to happen. Cheney wants it to happen.

Yet, another stain on the US of A's "record". Like someone said above, History sure won't be kind with the US of A of the early 21st century... and its people. The German people had to go through a very dark period and years later, they simply had no excuse for not doing more to prevent such atrocities. I fear the same is happening in your country, the very first nation to adopt democratic principles.

For not stopping this criminal administration from committing these atrocities, we all have blood on our hands.

I feel sick.

The sadists are at fault(they DO torture and get off on it) as are the enablers(excuse makers and pro torture advocates) that make excuses for them and tolerate them and bystanders(people who say NOTHING about how wrong this is).

If you are not a perpretrator,a bystander or an enabler than you are not the problem.

Of course people like you or I find this abhorrent and can't conceive of what sort of monsters are capable of such things. But where is the line drawn on complacency? Have good people done enough to stop this, or are we just numb to it at this point?

We have cold, uncaring sociopaths at the top these days, and it is no wonder that they should look the other way when their subordinates practice torture.

And these photos are a perfect example of what the author of the book The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence wrote back in the 1970s, namely that material like this is kept "top secret" not because the "other side" doesn't know it, not because the people affected don't know it, but so that the American people don't know what is being done in their name.

After years in Iraq being taught to do these kinds of things they will end up right back here.

and I could literally feel the evil projecting from these photos. Saying a prayer for both the victims and the perpetrators. The soldiers who did this will never be the same again--they'll never be able to erase the memory. And the victims (if they've survived) will take this unspeakable experience back into their homes and neighborhoods where a new generation of insurgents will be born. SG ;(

They're no worse than college fraternity pranks!!!

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We are just making friends all over!

even moreso, given that the main topic of the day seems to be uproar over the accidental shooting of an administration crony. Where, exactly, do the priorities of Americans lie? Our leaders need to be drug to the Hague over the atrocities of this War & their insistence that "torture" is relative to the situation at hand. Just try & imagine what must be going on at those "secret" prisons, since these photos came from a "public" one!

My god, I cannot believe how fast this topic is being ignored by people here. In ten short minutes, it hits the bottom of the page.

Cheney is a WAR CRIMINAL, folks!

Prosecution for war crimes is what he deserves.

Impeachment, imprisonment, PUNISHMENT for what he & all the cronies of this administration have done to innocent people of the world!

These photos should never be ignored, by anyone!

I don't have time or the permission to surf the net at work. Many people actually WORK at work!

Is not just the torture, but the way the soldiers are smiling anytime you see one in a picture. Bastards.

participated in this is responsible for the birth of how many tens of thousands of terrorists, and they'll wonder why... i feel sick.

OK, I had to stop at the bloody one. Just what the heck was that all about?

Nice to see we're winning the hearts and minds of our friends across the pond.

But the sociopaths involved in this come pretty close to deserving it. They right there at the bottom of the food chain with child molesters and rapists.

I want to be the "good guys" again.

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Remember how the noise of him wailing and crying was said to be utterly unnerving on the tapes -?