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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:09 AM
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Curt Weldon on CSPAN, talking about Able Danger! nt
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:11 AM
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1. Isn't Weldon's ultimate point that Bill Clinton caused 9/11?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:12 AM
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3. His opening statement said that clearly (without mentioning the name
Clinton).-----the previous administration.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:15 AM
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6. I think there's plenty of blame and cover-up to go around, and it's
not just about Clinton.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 02:33 PM
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38. Watch "Loose Change" and see if you change your mind
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 02:33 PM by FreedomAngel82
http://www.question911.com has it there and other good documentaries. Are they going to blame the Clenis too? :eyes: Clinton warned them about it and left plans and they did shit.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:18 AM
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9. This is a common misconception on DU
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:11 AM
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2. Called it a major cover-up, biggest since Watergate! nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:13 AM
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4. BIGGEST EVER
BUDDY BUDDY
http://www.gsnmagazine.com.nyud.net:8090/images/aug_05/atta.jpg
DO THE MATH

24 MINUTES

THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A MILITARY ORDER
WATCH THIS VIDEO

http://www.bushflash.com/buddy.html


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/24/124834/678


DIA Agents were ordered to put yellow Post-its over Atta's face and the face's of 3 other 9/11 terrorists

"We were directed to take those 3M yellow stickers and place them over the faces of Atta and the other terrorists and pretend they didn't exist," the intelligence officer told GSN."

Intel agents Michael Shaffer and Scott Philpott have confirmed Rep. Weldon's claims that a chart with Atta's face, soon the photos of 3 other members of the 9-11 terror team, were known to DIA team Able Danger by early 2000.

This diary will show that Pete Schoomaker and Philip Zelikow are two of the main Perpetraitors in this scandal, that they deliberately withheld information from the President of the United States that would have prevented 9/11, that they and their neo-con rulers Let It Happen On Purpose.

Of this there can no longer be any doubt.



MUST READ - RE: ABLE DANGER INFO
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4447706

Hopsicker: Able Danger Intel Exposed "Protected" Heroin Trafficking
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x149481


Able Danger: Short Time-line
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4441903

Was Able Danger Shut Down After It Detected Condi-PRC Spy Ring?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4494524



Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
Thursday, August 25, 2005


Able Danger (search) is the code name for a military-intelligence unit that apparently learned a year before the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks that lead hijacker Mohamed Atta (search) and other terrorists were already in the United States.

One of the central Able Danger claims — that military lawyers blocked the sharing of the Atta information from the FBI in the late summer and early fall of 2000 — will be a focus of the committee's if a hearing takes place, FOX News has confirmed.

Some analysts involved with Able Danger have recently gone public with their findings, saying they were discouraged from looking further into Atta, and their attempts to share their information with the FBI were thwarted, because Atta was a legal foreign visitor at the time.

"This story needs to be told. The American people need to be told what could have been done to prevent 3,000 people from losing their lives," said Rep. Curt Weldon (search), R-Pa.

Weldon drew attention to Able Danger by speaking about it on the House floor and publicly calling for the Sept. 11 commission to explain why the intelligence information wasn't detailed in its final report.

Some Able Danger analysts, including Army Reserve Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer (search) and Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott (search), claim that in October 2003, they told commission staffers of the presence of Al Qaeda operatives in the United States in 2000.


more
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166800,00.html


Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1727804&mesg_id=1727804




Condi in Middle of Able Danger ‘Cover Up’"

Weldon is now saying that the Pentagon cover up of able danger “will shake the country to its roots."

...

If the claims made by the Able Danger participants and Rep. Weldon are confirmed, former National Security Adviser Rice and other Bush Administration officials will face a barrage of questions. First would likely be an inquiry into why the administration unceremoniously axed the Able Danger project in May of 2001.

During an August 20th interview on C-Span’s Washington Journal, Able Danger member Lt. Col. Schaffer posed a question of his own:

"The American public should ask themselves: Why would the leadership of DoD shut down, terminate, a project which was aimed at targeting al-Qaeda offensively? ...

"Why would they shut that down, four months before 9/11? That’s the big question right now, we have to ask that. I don’t know the answer to that question because I know my side of the story, I know that when a 2 star general got in my face and said, “I’m a 2 star general and you are not. You are to stop your support of Able Danger.” That’s what I know personally. But the question has to be: Who told him to do that? ...

"And why did the rest of the project, I’m talking about Special Operations Command and the Army portion of this, why was that terminated?

"Those are the questions that need to be asked."


more...

http://www.theinternationalpost.com/z30082005.html

Congressman Weldon -- Why now? Why ever?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4500623

Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader By Will Dunham

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Three more people associated with a secret U.S. military intelligence team have asserted that the program identified September 11 ringleader Mohammed Atta as an Al Qaeda suspect inside the United States more than a year before the 2001 attacks, the Pentagon said on Thursday.

The Pentagon said a three-week review had turned up no documents to back up the assertion, but did not rule out that such documents relating to the classified operation had been destroyed.

Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott and Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer last month came forward with statements that a secret intelligence program code-named "Able Danger" had identified Atta, the lead hijacker in the attacks that killed 3,000 people, in early 2000. Pennsylvania Republican Rep. Curt Weldon (news, bio, voting record), vice chairman of the House of Representatives Armed Services Committee, also went public with the allegations.

Pat Downs, a senior policy analyst in the office of the undersecretary of defense for intelligence, told reporters that as part of the review, the Pentagon interviewed 80 people.

Downs said that three more people, as well as Phillpott and Shaffer, recalled the existence of an intelligence chart identifying Atta by name. Four of the five recalled a photo of Atta accompanying the chart, Downs said.

Pentagon officials declined to identify the three by name, but said they were an analyst with the military's Special Operations Command, an analyst with the Land Information Warfare Assessment Center and a contractor who supported the center.

Downs said all five were considered "credible people."

But officials said an exhaustive search of tens of thousands of documents and electronic files related to Able Danger failed to find the chart or other documents corroborating the identification of Atta. Phillpott has said Atta was identified by Able Danger by January or February of 2000.

"We have not discovered that chart," Downs said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050901/pl_nm/security_attacks_pentagon_dc


Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1744982&mesg_id=1744982

Specter Wants Answers About 'Able Danger'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1796658&mesg_id=1796658


NYT/Reuters: Pentagon Blocks Testimony at Senate Hearing on Terrorist
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1795221&mesg_id=1795221

NOW - ON CAPITOL HILL - Able Danger Inquiry CSPAN3 9:30am et
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4836496

Able Danger ties Condi Rice to Chinese espionage! (really!)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4846388&mesg_id=4846388

VIDEO-the Senate Judicial Committee ABLE DANGER saga
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?

Official: (Curt Weldon) Attack on Cole foreseen (ABLE DANGER)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1915365&mesg_id=1915365

New 9/11 Timeline update, with new Able Danger page
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?

Weldon seeks Defense testimony on al-Qaida
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1931300

Weldon rips 9/11 commission over intelligence failures
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1959226

General gave OK for Able Danger (confirms al-Qaida mission prior to 9/11)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1973724
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:18 AM
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8. Do you realize the Pubs are doing it AGAIN?
Listen to Weldon! He's spewing all this BS blaming Clinton for everything AGAIN. People are going to hear this, and no matter what is said later, or even proven later, they're going to believe what they're hearing FIRST...TODAY!
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:27 AM
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12. The truth will come out LISTEN TO THE WHISTLEBLOWERS HEARING
http://www.c-span.org/search/basic.asp?ResultStart=1&ResultCount=10&BasicQueryText=Whistleblowers&image1.x=28&image1.y=13

House Subcmte. hearing on "National Security Whistleblowers in the post-9/11 Era: Lost in a Labyrinth and Facing Retaliation by Security Clearance Revocation"
2/14/2006: WASHINGTON, DC: 4 hr. 51 min.

Weldon even acknowlegded Sibel Edmonds in the room. Weldon may not realize it yet but CLINTON WAS NEVER TOLD
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:39 AM
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18. I watched part of that hearing in the wee hours of the morning
...mesmerized. It kept me up way too late. :coffee: I'm going to have to catch up and watch the whole thing later, but what I saw was pretty stunning.

It was notable that the chairs of the committee were empty, more or less, during the part I watched. Where were the elected officials??? Also, I really wished that Tice would have pushed to give full disclosure to the committee (even if that meant in a closed session), but that would be too much to ask.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:14 AM
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21. Actually he did! They are having a closed session today...
The same witnesses and a few others. Weldon said he would speak after, so I'll be looking for his statement this evening.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:01 AM
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26. Oh, thanks for the info!
Missed that part. :bounce:
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:49 AM
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19. Thanks for the video link.
Great opening statements by both Rep. Waxman, and Dennis Kucinich.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:10 AM
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20. Weldon recognizes Sibel Edmonds during the hearing.
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 10:14 AM by pberq
This contradicts any claim that Weldon is trying to put the blame on Clinton.

Direct link to video:

rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/ter/ter021406_whistleblowers.rm




(edited to add video link)
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:14 AM
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5. Yep. He just said it was the Clinton Admin. that prevented the info from
sharing the info about Atta etc. with the FBI. The FBI said if they had that info, they very well could have stopped 9/11. Loui Freh(sp) confirmed that, and said they could have tracked down the Brooklyn cell and arrested them.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:17 AM
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7. HE IS WRONG - CLINTON WAS NEVER TOLD
Able Danger is a Pandora's Box that will blow up in the RW's face.


Re-open the 9/11 investigation? BRING IT ON! Here's why:

So the responsibility for stopping DIA program Able Danger, which had Identified Atta and 3 other hijackers and linked them to 56 other al-Queda terrorists overseas, has been laid at the feet of Bill Clinton--except he and Richard Clarke were never told about it at all.

That's right. Bill Clinton was never told about Able Danger and the ID of Atta because Richard Clarke was never told about AD. How do I know? He never wrote about it in his book, nor did he testify about it's existence before the 9-11 Commission!

You see Richard Clarke was known for being obsessed with Osama Bin Laden and HE was the guy the neo-con moles did not want to find out about Atta and the gang. Schoomaker and the neo-cons knew telling the FBI would inform Clarke and then Mr. Laser Beam himself, President of the United State William Jefferson Clinton, would have gotten involved--and the Pearl Harbor-type attack would never take place (the neo-cons talked about the need for a Pearl Harbor-type attack before the PNAC Plan would be accepted by the American people--so when one presented itself, they let it happen).

General Pete Schoomaker, who were later heavily rewarded by the neo-cons in the Bush Administration, blocked the upward motion of the DIA information by having Shaffer and Philpott meet with Pentagon lawyers opinions--lawyers who were rubberstamping ridiculous legal opinions to carry out the neo-con plan. These certain people were neo-cons in the Clinton Administration, covertly carrying out the PNAC plan to let a Pearl Harbor-type attack occur so Iraq and 6 other countries could be invaded.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/24/124834/678

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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:20 AM
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10. Hi, seemslikeadream
Let's keep the truth of Able Danger front and center.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:33 AM
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14. Keep telling 'em to stop drinking the Kool Aid
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 09:33 AM by seemslikeadream
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:25 AM
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11. Is Weldon aware of the TRUTH? Does he know this will
come back on the repuke party and blow up in THEIR faces? Me thinks not....or he wouldn't be talking about it and trying to blame it ALL on Clinton.:) I can't wait for the backfire.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:30 AM
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13. Pandora's Box
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 09:31 AM by seemslikeadream
:hi:

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:58 AM
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25. i call it a stinky onion...the more you peel the more there is to peel
and the stinkier the onion gets...Weldon has the onion..he thought it was only a small onion..a sweet vadelia onion..when he began peeling it..he thought it was only going to peel to clinton..but the onion kept peeling..he was forced to keep peeling..at first his senses were just a bit overtaken by the onion but it kept peeling he was starting to tear up..and there was ever more..and more until he was so deep into the onion...he was in a full cry from the stink...

now the tears are gone from the onion..but he knows there is more to peel..he is only halfway through this onion...but now he knows he can not finish peeling this onion alone..

yes the more you peel this onion... the more this is to peel..and the stinkier it gets!

i do not believe Weldon got into this for the right reasons..but now that he is ..i am hoping he is doing the right thing...

for our nations safety and her survival..

fly
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:44 AM
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23. this is what i think about weldon..he started this to gain
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 10:48 AM by flyarm
power when he saw delay was going to go down..he thought he would get the attention and get bumped up by showing Clinton was responsible for the failures of 9/11

he went on TV ahead of himself..before he had all the facts..like he jumped the gun without knowing where the bullets were going to go..

once out into the public with this stuff..he was caught in a trap...

now his credibility and inegrity are involved...
and now he is neck deep into this..and now he knows..Clinton is not involved but something much worse is involved..

he knows now he is dead man walking unless he gets it all out...for his own safety and the safety of the whistleblowers ..

all their fates are now in his hands...

i believe he now knows there was a secret government inside the Pentagon..that was working independently from clintons pentagon...

i think he now knows the Cole was done before the 2000 election to make Gore look weak..going into the election..thereby manipulating the election and making it closer than it should have been so the Steal of fla could take place ,..without the people of this country revolting en mass..

Weldon knows ..this admin stopped able danger 4 months before 9/11..under *...

and all most all documents destroyed..

i do believe he realizes this was a coup of our government...by a secret group..a shadow government group..separate from clintons penatgon and intelligence agencies.....

and now Weldon is in too deep..he can not turn back..

.i do think weldon knows now also that its imperative to our national security..to stop this group that allowed 9/11 /and could/were
responsible for 9/11....now its a matter of possibly life and death for Weldon..as well as the whistleblowers..and now it is also integrity for weldon...and i hope..country...

he is in too deep..and he got there trying to do a gotcha on clinton..but now he knows the truth..its much bigger and much more ugly...

but very dangerous..

fly

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:50 AM
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24. AB- SOL-UTE-LY! flyarm
you can see it in his face and hear it in his voice, he is one scared puppy.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:06 AM
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27. yes he is...and anyof us would be ..think how big this is...you know
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 11:08 AM by flyarm
seemslikeadream..you know...

think about it..

two huge buildings in NY ..a nation now that drank the koolaide..the world power involved..the people involved in this are attempting to take over the world..

and a bumbling weldon stepped on a hornets nest that can take them down..or stop what they have planned for a very long time...

think about this nation failing like the ussr...our economy..our world dominance..

this is so big..its overwhelming...

weldon knows now..its either expose it or he is dead man walking..these people killed 3000...whats weldon or anyone else that attempts to stop them?

why do any of us think the dems are so scared??

they have blackmailed them all..except the few that do have integrity..and they are surely the small minority...

a coup was implimented on this nation..its just most have not been awakened by it yet...

and most people want to believe in their government ..therefore it is very difficult for most to put their arms around the fact that their own government could be so evil...

and murderers...

fly
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:23 AM
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30. Our lives have been changed FOREVER
:cry:
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 12:16 PM
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32. yes they have...but to be more precise..our nation has
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 12:19 PM by flyarm
changed forever..and it will take someone very strong and secure to stop this..it will take collective minds to stop this..and that i fear i do not see at this time in history...

and it will take more Americans getting engaged..and that i fear will not occur until people see it in their own pocket books..

we are a very selfish society...and a "me" society...we are visonless..we do not see the future..we only see the today and tomorrow..

History will not be kind to our generation..( baby boomers) nor the generations that followed us now...we are letting not only our future americans down..we are letting the world down...

a super power is only super when they are responsible..we are not.

when this stuff is slapping us in the face..we look the other way...now i do not mean all...but the vast majority choose not to even look...let alone educate themselves..or even attempt to knowing what is truely going on in their own nation...

peoples in other countrys fought the battles on their land..they know..and they do not take anything for granted..we take everything for granted..

simple questions ..common sense tells you we were lied to about 9/11..just very basic questions tell you that..and yet most are unwilling to ask even the simplest question..

most look the other way..and put blinders on because they can...

they can for a very short period..but there are ramifications to utter ignorance!

unfortunately we will all pay a very high price for their ignorance. and false patriotism...

patriots ask questions and demand answers...and real patriots will turn over every rock looking for the answer...

when they find truth has been abdicated...

the truth about 9/11 is ..three buildings collapsed..two aircraft hit the wtc buildings..almost 3000 were killed..those are the only truths we know..

there are many why? how? who ? we may never know..but some Americans will fight for the truth...some will dig and come to conclusions..but most will never look...

its too much for most people to wrap their arms around..as the truth is too painful to acknowledge..

the people responsible know this fact.

but it is all in plain site...

can we that fought for truth prevail...i just wish i knew the answer to that...before it is too late..

fly
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:34 AM
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31. Good points, flyarm
Just listened to part of Weldon's questioning of Shaffer in yesterday's whistleblower hearing. Very interesting, and scary at the same time.

The question is: will they find a way to shut down Weldon before he gets too far into this?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 12:43 PM
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33. Well, I sure as hell hope he shared any and all information he has
on the subject. I hope he's spread it around to DEMOCRATS who will actually DO something with it. Why was he constantly blaming Clinton this morning? He must have mentioned Clinton's name 30 time. Does he want the secret gov to think he's not onto THEM? This is some scary stuff! I wonder how Weldon sleeps at night?:scared:
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:35 AM
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16. That is true IF the whole story gets out-WHEN was it shut down?
This guy says April 2000 which was news to me

http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2005/09/disabling_able_.html
In April 2000, Able Danger, only months old, was abruptly shut down. Caught violating Reagan administration Executive Orders and Defense Department and Army regulations restricting intelligence agencies from collecting information on United States "persons," the highly compartmented cell within the Army's Land Information Warfare Activity (LIWA) was halted in its effort to use data mining and link analysis to characterize the worldwide nature of the al Qaeda terrorist network.

THIS is the article most people are familiar with

http://www.timesherald.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15032471&BRD=1672&PAG=461
A small group of Defense Intelligence Agency employees ran the Able Danger operation from fall 1999 to February 2001 - just seven months before the terrorist attacks - when the operation was unceremoniously axed, according to a former defense intelligence official familiar with the program. The former official asked not to be identified.


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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:14 AM
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28. i have heard 4 months before 9/11..and also 7 months..
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 11:15 AM by flyarm
but what i have come upon more often than not is may 2001...

and if you look at the timeline..april & may 2001 haliburton was doing a contract with the taliban in april and may 2001 for an oil pipeline...
our government paid May 22,2001.. 44 million to the taliban against the hart/ rudman report recommendation to not give another dime to the taliban unless they turned over Bin Laden...to the US government...this admin paid it to the taliban ...

Hliburton was also trying to pin down an aggreement with Saddam for a pipeline through Iraq...

all fell apart the summer of 2001..

fly
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:24 AM
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22. nor was richard clark!! n/t
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:33 AM
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15. He says that he can't believe that no heads rolled after 9/11
Anybody wonder why no heads rolled?

This has the potential to unravel the fictionalized administration claims about what happened on 9/11.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:36 AM
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17. Because look who's in control, and see how dumbed down
your average American really is. See no evil...
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:22 AM
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29. again i will say..most people...
can not wrap their arms around the fact that their own government could be so evil...and that goes for any country...people just can not wrap their arms around it..

we all want to believe in our government..
these guys count on that..

realize this ..one of the first groups of people that supported Hitler ..were Jewish rabbi's...

history has taught us many lessons..just too many of us are too lazy or too busy with our lives to look deeply into it...

people want to be patriotic.,.most people are very good at heart and mind...its the evil that use this goodness against them

most of what has gone on here in the past 6 years..has been in plain sight..and that makes people believe it less..
because we have this idea..that evil is done in a dark closet.. out of view..thats not the case here...

its all been in plain sight..

all we need to do is look a little..and it is like an onion ..the more you peel the more there is to peel ..and the stinkier it gets!

fly

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:23 PM
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34. National security whistle-blowers allege retaliation
http://www.sacbee.com/24hour/politics/story/3168792p-11877323c.html

By JAMES ROSEN, McClatchy Washington Bureau
Last Updated 9:40 am PST Wednesday, February 15, 2006

WASHINGTON (SH) - Military and intelligence officers told spellbound lawmakers Tuesday that their careers had been ruined by superiors because they refused to lie about Able Danger, Abu Ghraib and other national security controversies.
Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, wearing a crisp olive Army uniform with the Bronze Star and other awards, delivered his first public testimony about his central role in Able Danger, a Pentagon computer data-mining program set up long before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks to infiltrate the al-Qaeda terrorist network.


Shaffer told a House Government Reform subcommittee that he and other intelligence officers and contractors working on the top-secret program code-named "Able Danger" had identified Mohammed Atta, ringleader of the Sept. 11 attacks, but were prevented from passing their findings to the FBI.
"I became a whistleblower not out of choice, but out of necessity," Shaffer said. "Many of us have a personal commitment to ... going forward to expose the truth and wrongdoing of government officials who - before and after the 9/11 attacks - failed to do their job."

Shaffer contradicted recent statements by Philip Zelikow, former executive director of the Sept. 11 commission, who denied having met with Shaffer and other Able Danger operatives in Afghanistan in October 2003.

"I did meet with him," Shaffer said. "I have the business card he gave me. I find it hard to believe that he could not remember meeting me."
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 02:09 PM
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35. the jersey gals were onto Zelikow right away and fought him being on
the commission...but * had the cards stacked..everyone on that commission had huge conflicts..or were complicit in 9/11

of that i have no doubt!

fly
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 02:12 PM
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36. Zelikow and Schoomaker
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 02:13 PM by seemslikeadream
Zelikow kept the info from the 9/11 commission and Schoomaker kept it from Clinton and Richard Clarke
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 02:25 PM
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37. you are right on it seemslikeadream...you are all over it..not many
are,..

wtf..clark never knew about it and if anyone should have known about it it is clarke...

so did JohnO'Neil find out about it ..or know about it..is that why he quit?? is that why they made sure he was working at the WTC..and died????????

i just wonder...

one thing is for sure..Atta was on Abramoffs casino boat with 2 other so called hijackers the week before 9/11..here where i am JOHNS PASS Treasure Island fla...

and many believe Atta is still alive...as well as 9 other of the so called hijackers..

ahhh the stories Abramoff could tell..if he lives to...

fly

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 02:45 PM
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39. Able Danger continues to this time under a different name
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