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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 02:57 PM
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If lawyer died, Cheney could face indictment

http://www.kristv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4507334&nav=Bsmh

If lawyer died, Cheney could face indictment

DALLAS -- If the man wounded by Dick Cheney dies, the vice president could _ in theory at least _ face criminal charges, even though the shooting was an accident.

Dallas defense attorney David Finn, who has been a state and a federal prosecutor, said Wednesday that a Texas grand jury could bring a charge of criminally negligent homicide if there is evidence the vice president knew or should have known "there was a substantial or unjustifiable risk that his actions would result in him shooting a fellow hunter."

"The risk must be of such a nature and degree that it got to be pretty outrageous _ that a reasonable person would have to say, `I am not pulling the trigger because this other guy might be in front of me,'" Finn said.

The charge carries up to two years behind bars, but with no previous felonies Cheney would be eligible for probation, the former prosecutor said.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:02 PM
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1. The outrage from "conservatives" will be deafening
One of their own actually being held accountable. Its not the way its supposed to be. And besides the old goat "was" 78 years old.

However, to be consistent wouldn't "conservatives" want the victim to be hooked up to artificial life support for about 30 or 40 years? Maybe frist should way in with expert opinion.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:07 PM
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5. That's it: Cheney will have Mr. W hooked up to life support...forever.
Bill Frist will diagnose Mr. W. by viewing video of Mr. W. in hospital.

That way Cheney will not be charged with manslaughter. :(
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:56 PM
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28. Boss
I think they will happily pull the plug because DC will have to resign and they have three more years to get the new VP in place as a ...healer...a uniter....the Republican saviour.

We need to hope this guy walks out of the hospital tomorrow. DC is a liability in office and a relief to the GOP out of office.

The public just GROOVES on new folks in office. Remember when Jerry Ford came in for Agnew? And then for Nixon? If he hadn't fallen down so many airplane steps he might have gotten elected.
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Tyrone Slothrop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:02 PM
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2. No previous felonies?
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 03:07 PM by Tyrone Slothrop
Doesn't he have like 4 DUI's?

Are those only felonies in certain states?

On edit: I guess it depends where you are and how many you have.

http://dui.findlaw.com/articles/1448.html

On edit again: I guess he only had 2. And they were DWI's.
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toymachines Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:09 PM
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7. Hypocrisy anway you look at it
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:03 PM
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3. But we are at war and deadeye duck is an essential component
of the unitary executive.

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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:07 PM
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4. Why the speculation?
Do y'all know something I don't?

Seriously: is Whittington likely to die anytime soon?
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:09 PM
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6. We hope not. I pray that he will recover. However, if he dies, Cheney's
in big trouble.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:14 PM
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8. Why hasn't he been trotted out before the camera?
Think he's too p-ssed off to throw Cheney this bone? Or just too unconscious? Or might he already be dead, and a "Weekend At Harry's" fiasco imminent? :+

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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:15 PM
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9. He is in very bad condition plus his family wants privacy. n/t
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:20 PM
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11. Interesting idea.
Cheney could really, really use the help. The poor guy must be in terrible shape for Cheney no to get what he must want so badly.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:16 PM
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10. Let's see here
A pellet floating around his heart, another floating around his liver, plus the damage caused by all of those other pellets, already had a heart attack due to this incident, is still in ICU and isn't going anywhere.

Quite frankly we simply don't know whether or not Whittington is going to die anytime soon or not. His doctors, family, White House, hospital are all being very tight lipped about the specifics of his condition. Yesterday morning they were stating he was "very stable" and then he had the heart attack. Then we were told that the pellet near the heart was the only one causing any trouble. Now we find out that there's another one in his liver.

Quite frankly, having used a shotgun many many times, I would say that any seventy eight year old man who was close enough to a shotgun blast that it drove pellets below the skin into vital organs is not in great, good or even fair shape. And at that range, even using birdshot, I would say that the fellow got pretty pulped. A man half his age would recover pretty readily from such a shot, but at seventy eight:shrug:
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:31 PM
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12. He'd never be convicted in Texas
It's quite possible this guy will die from this shooting - the question is when. Could be years from now, but those pellets could end up anywhere. Andrew Jackson died from wounds he suffered from a duel many years previously.
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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:46 PM
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13. ABC News/AP: Cheney Could Face Charges in Shooting
ABC News/AP
Cheney Could Face Charges in Shooting
Politics
Feb 15, 2006

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1623108

DALLAS Feb 15, 2006 (AP)— If the man wounded by Dick Cheney dies, the vice president could in theory at least face criminal charges, even though the shooting was an accident.

Dallas defense attorney David Finn, who has been a state and a federal prosecutor, said Wednesday that a Texas grand jury could bring a charge of criminally negligent homicide if there is evidence the vice president knew or should have known "there was a substantial or unjustifiable risk that his actions would result in him shooting a fellow hunter."
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:46 PM
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14. Why would there have to be a death for charges to be filed?
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:46 PM
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22. It is then involuntary manslaughter
Otherwise I don't think there is any law broken
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adriennui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:46 PM
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15. beginning of the end
for cheney. he's got to resign, but the thought of the chimp flying blind is scary.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:46 PM
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24. Well if Rove gets indicted....he really will be flying blind!!
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adriennui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:47 PM
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26. i'm fantasizing now
wouldn't it be great if the chimp went berserk and had to be removed from office?
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:49 PM
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27. I am going to enjoy the show!!
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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PunkPop Donating Member (847 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:46 PM
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16. Kind of like getting Capone with tax evasion
But I'll take it.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:46 PM
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18. Well in this case it'd be getting Cheney with MURDER,
which is really the crux of his crimes, on the international scale anyway. So it'd be a fitting charge.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:46 PM
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17. And monkeys could fly from my tushie nt
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:46 PM
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19. He should be charged for first degree murder
Indifference.

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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:46 PM
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20. It would be interesting to know
how many folks are in prison due to accidental hunting deaths.

If the guy does die, and Cheney doesn't get time, there is a probability that there will be hell to pay. I just don't see the 'good ole boys' accepting this.

A lot of people in Ohio know at least one person (a friend of a friend of a friend) who is doing time for a hunting accident. My bf alone knows two.

The gun toting voters could very well turn against them.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:46 PM
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21. If the VP faces any serious legal difficulty over this incident, I'll...
eat my keyboard for dinner.
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Army Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:46 PM
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23. He'll Get Off
C'mon, he's rich and powerful. How often do they ever pay for their crimes. The only possible good to come of this would be that he'd resign. And I doubt the Coward in Chief would allow him to do that even if he offered to.
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AtLiberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:46 PM
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25. Like the Bushies would ever allow this guy to die?
This guy will be hooked up to life support.

They've probably ordered a team to follow him 24/7 if and when he leaves the hospital...just in case. He'll be lucky to shower and pee in private.
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