How many people in the U.S. and globally have died from "bird flu"?

I am asking this because I am assuming NAIS (read below) is being justified by the bird flu scare.

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The National Animal Identification System (NAIS) is a national program to identify and track livestock animals, including poultry, horses, cattle, goats and sheep for the purpose of disease containment. NAIS plans to use RFID and GPS technology to track animals, and requires every farm or “premises” be registered with government agencies, even if that premises houses a single animal. While NAIS’s purported goal of disease containment appears to be beneficial, the requirement for American citizens to register privately-owned property for tracking and monitoring purposes has very serious implications for our privacy, rights and freedoms.

This means that anyone who is trying to do family farming as well as people who have their own small flocks of chickens or goats (or even a pet chicken or goat, for that matter) will have to comply with this law. After a little research, this seems potentially problematic to me and I thought you would like to know about it.
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500 across the world. Obviously nobody in the US yet - it is still travelling bird to bird through asia.

It is a worry. Because it is new. We have not faced this type of virus before. They are smart to have plans.

It hit Europe this year. Next year maybe the USA. Still only humans in contact with birds who have gotten sick for the most part. But they know a jump in genes of the virus is likely every little bit and some point it will really transfer human to human.

It will be in the US, and my bet is this year. It's being transmitted by migratory birds. I say this because it seems like it showing up in new areas every day.

I cannot see how it could be implemented. The numbers are too huge. I think this preceeded the bird flu scare. If anyone is behind it I'd guess it is the factory animal farmers.

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About 70 people have died, which is half of those who have been diagnosed with it, but they suspect that the numbers of those who have had it is higher. Their symptoms may just have passed for common flu. The key is that there is a 50% death rate for those who get the bird flu while it is just being tranmitted from bird to people. If that rate is maintained when it jumps to people to people, that would be catastrophic. We could not provide the services for everyone and we would all be hold up in our homes, quarantined.

So, I think the precautions are justified.

By the way, those who are under 40 years of age seem to have a higher incident of death, than those who are older, leaving one to believe that there is some immunity that those of us who are over 40 have. We must have been exposed to something in our lifetime, that protects us today.

while nobody has ever died in the U.S. from "bird flu"

I think I know the real reasons behind this effort and public safety is not it.

This is not yet transmitted from people to people. When it is, we are going to have a pandemic. You are just getting a very small preview of what is to come.

Just like those people who tried to warn about skin cancer, or global warming. You are going to wait until it's too late.

Are you a Libertarian?

this thing has been slowed down is because they are killing poultry by the hundreds of thousand. We are simply buying time.

maybe you are confident in our gov't and feel secure that food will always be safely delivered to your grocery store

i live in louisiana, i know better

there are parts of louisiana where there are no grocery stores re-opened even yet

hands off the damn chickens unless there is an actual outbreak, then you can de-populate in the area of the outbreak, in accordance w. the usual usda policy, which has served us well for decades


we don't need make-work jobs, we have real jobs going undone, and creating a huge bureacracy to license a person for daring to possess even one damn chicken...that is beyond the level of make-work and into the realm of pure stalinism, i'm sorry

they are going to patent the seed, license the chicken, why don't they make it illegal to raise your own food and be done w. it, christ, where is freedom when you don't even really have the option to raise your own food unless you're rich and can pay hand-outs to monsanto, the chicken licensing bureau, and every other busybody who claims to have good reason to put his hand out

they've already priced hunting out of reach of the little guy

excuse me for not being able to live on lettuce!

Who do you want to give the poultry to that is known to carry the bird flu? Tell me. Pick a population.

You decide who you want to contaminate. But you be sure you let them know you're doing it, otherwise, you're no different than the Bush crew we have in place today.

Nothing is going to happen to any of the poultry until there is a sign that the poultry is infected. At that time, we have to move, and move fast.

We do the same thing to orange trees, just to protect the orange industry. My neighbor has a single tree in her yard, and I can see the triangle shaped box attached to the top of her tree. The government checks periodically for medfly. She's had the tree for ten years and so far, everything is fine. But they keep checking, just in case.

At least that's the number cited in my paper today.

in America. Not good.

bird flu when it comes, but this is over the top.

avian flu in various forms has been in north america for decades, and usda already has procedures that keep it from spreading very well whenever it is found

this movement to document and license every owner, of even a single chicken, is scary and not right

where is food security when we are basically not allowed to be able to afford to keep livestock in small quantities

the rabbit people are fighting this and i think they're getting an exception but big poultry and the little guy have never cooperated well, big poultry would really like all small poultry owners to go away, they think we are all fighting birds and spreading newcastles' disease or at least they pretend to think so

all of this hysteria is about a new form of avian flu that does not yet exist and may never exist

a lot of the hysteria is just to sell worthless over-produced crap like tami-flu (check out rumsfeld's connections to tami-flu sometime) and they don't care about the effect on food security

in time of disaster there will not be a grocery store, after katrina, some people in rural washington parish, louisiana were starving because they could not get food deliveries, the roads were blocked and there was no access in or out, a few chickens and a barbeque grill probably came in handy for those who had them

funny how the neighbor down the street w. a chicken is bringing down the tone of the neighborhood -- until something like that happens

and the feds couldn't give a tiny little crap

Attention Organic And Local Food Consumers, Livestock And Horse Owners:

The USDA plans to make every owner of even one horse, cow, pig, goat, sheep, chicken, or pigeon register in a government database and subject their property and animals to constant federal and state government surveillance, and the animal owner will have to PAY for the privilege of owning animals!

http://stopanimalid.org/

or is it something else?

as much as possible. I'll see if I can find info on that.

Something else to deal with I guess. I'm getting very tired but on we go.

This is bullshit. Are they going to chip every cow and every chicken? What happens to those chips when those animals are slaughtered for food? Do we eat them? Can't be very good for us. I guess now is as good a time as any to finish the job and become a full vegetarian.

I don't have a lot of time right now to look this up but is this somehow related to FEMA? Do you know? If not I will look it up later. There was some talk around the area about this several years ago about FEMA being able to confiscate your livestock for their use in a time of crisis.

So who is going to pay for all those chips? The rancher with 2000 head of cattle? The little guy like me with 7 horses? That is not going to be cheap and the small family farmers are not going to be able to do that.

I'm not sure about the FEMA angle but the feds want to be able to track every animal in the entire country.

if there is an emergency and I have to drive my horse to the vet school? Hey guys, is it ok to take horse #xxxxx to the vet? I will be traveling along this highway to this turn off and leaving her there until her illness subsides? Is it OK to take horse #xxxx on down the road for a little ride?

I know, that is a little crazy of me but damn.

Every vet I have ever worked with has a process to report illness. Certain things already have to be reported. You can't even give your animals Rabies or West Nile vaccines yourself they must be administered by your vet so they can track the incidence of the illness. What does this add that is advantageous? If Anthrax breaks out you can be darned sure the vets will report it. This is nuts.

Which is why, like all of Bushco's other nutso ideas, it could be a nightmare.

with the rural folks in America.


Do they really want all-out revolt?

How many people are killed by Bird SHOT each year?

Gad you brought this up.

i had received some information on it in the summer, in the form of a proposal put before the house, so it wasn't something FEMA dreamed up after the catastrophe, it was some bonehead scheme already in the works

worldwide. That was on Canadian news.

Reports 83 deaths since 2003, from 152 laboratory confirmed cases. The link they cite is:

http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/country