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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 03:59 AM
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Maybe what's new is that...now we know
We here on DU declare the loss of our county on a daily basis. But, really, isn't it the same as it ever was? Wasn't there always a spy program? Didn't we always engage in secret, illegal wars? Didn't various Administrations always hide the truth from the public? Wasn't the election always rigged (by ensuring that it is always between two corporate-approved old white guys who belong to the same club)?

What's new is that now we know. What's new is free speech on the Internet. What's new is a new generation of truth-tellers. What's new is that the world is awakening.

Maybe we should stop whining about how things used to be. Did we prefer ignorance as bliss or do we prefer truth? Let's stand up proudly and prove to power...prove to each other...that we can handle the truth.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 05:33 AM
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1. You're right - the only REAL difference is that more are waking up to it.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 05:46 AM
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2. _and_ that the Congressional GOP is having their hand forced
to vote to keep all these things in place (forced ala WH actions and new revelations per those actions), just at a time when folks are waking up to it. Just like with the public reaction to the DSM (at first rather tepid except for those following the story closely), but that later seeped into the public psyche as conventional wisdom (of course they lied....) - I believe that the awareness and acceptance (as truth) as to the many unseemly things done by our govt in our name will become common, over time. And due to the GOP lock on all branches of govt - these acts (rightly or wrongly) will be tied in the public psyche to the GOP.

Perhaps, if there is a "ballot revolution" (in the sense of turning over of both houses of congress) and it coincides with this growing public awareness/acceptance (not as in "accepting as good", but as in "accepting as this is a reality"), there will be a chance for some serious changes as to how we, as a country, do business.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 08:01 AM
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3. Not true!
This is the worst government we've see since...well, maybe ever.

When something like a secret war or illegal spying happened in the past, and people found out, there would be a scandal.

Today, when something is found out, the Bush admin declares it legal or prosecutes a couple of lowest level people. It is NOT ASHAMED and doesn't care what anyone thinks, and the MSM just lets it go. Does anyone think that LBJ, for example, would have had speeches shrugging off whether the Tonkin Gulf incident was invented? Making a funny skit about it being entirely not true?

If the hypocrisy of earlier politicians was the homage vice paid to virtue, these guys have made vice into their virtue. Torture is legal and useful, illegal spying, well, there IS no such thing and it saves lives, if you have to make shit up to have a war you KNOW is a good idea, you make it up.

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 08:05 AM
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4. It's more blatant, IN YOUR FACE than it's ever been.
Now, they just don't give a shit what their empolyers, WE THE PEOPLE, think. It's time to let them know WE WANT TO FIRE THEIR SORRY ASSES!:grr:
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 08:10 AM
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5. The free press has moved to the internet
and the reason they can't stop it is because it truly is a FREE press. All of us maniacs writing and posting for FREE 24/7. The greedy repugs never do anything for free, so they were not prepared for so many people who were willing to spend their own time and money to save our country. They didn't plan for us.


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