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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:55 AM
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What Is the Cash Value of a Free Hunting Weekend at a Lobbyist's Ranch?


Just wondering...





http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11349649/from/RSS/

Cheney's hunting host lobbied White House
Ranch owner who divulged accident earned $160,000 for work in 2004


By Aram Roston
NBC Investigative Unit
Updated: 4:17 p.m. ET Feb. 15, 2006

Katharine Armstrong, whose family owns the ranch where Vice President Dick Cheney accidentally shot a hunting partner, is a registered lobbyist who has been paid to lobby the White House, according to records.

Armstrong told NBC News in a telephone interview that she has never directly lobbied Cheney as far as she remembers.

"Never!" she said. And she says she does not remember directly lobbying the president himself either.

***

Armstrong was paid $160,000 in 2004 by the powerful legal firm Baker Botts to lobby the White House, according to records she filed with the U.S. Senate as required by lobbying disclosure rules. The records indicate she was paid the money after she "communicated with the White House on behalf of Baker Botts clients."

Won't reveal client's name

In a phone interview, she told NBC News that in return for the money in one case, she set up a meeting at the White House for a Baker Botts client, although she said she felt she could not release the client’s name.

"A meeting for doing something with one of their clients," she said, describing the event. "I’m not at liberty to say which." She says she cannot remember which White House official the meeting was with. She also said that during the inauguration proceedings, she got Karl Rove to speak at a Baker Botts function. "I got them Karl Rove," she said.






http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/armstrong-ranch-a-gop-ba_b_15820.html

02.16.2006
Armstrong Ranch: A GOP Bada Bing?


We've only scratched the surface, but the more we learn about the Armstrong Ranch, site of the Cheney shooting, the more it feels like the GOP equivalent of Tony Soprano's joint, the Bada Bing.

CNN described the remote 50,000-acre Armstrong ranch as "a private getaway." It's the kind of place the goodfellas of the Republican crew can go to kick back, put their feet up, have a beer (or two) with lunch, talk a little business, raise a little money, make a few deals, maybe meet a girl.

Of course, at the Bada Bing the girls are strippers; at Armstrong they're the ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein. But both hot spots feature quite a bit of gunplay.

According to Austin American-Statesman reporter Robert Elder, the Armstrong is "a favored destination spot for this type of Republican with social connections, a fair amount of wealth... Certainly if you have access to the vice president or other high level administration officials, corporate officials, it gives you really a unique opportunity to kind of relax, talk, and who knows what happens from there."

Well, Dick Cheney knows. He's been kicking back at Armstrong for over 30 years. Also in the know: President Bush and Laura, Bush 41 and Barbara, Karl Rove, and James Baker, all of whom have been frequent guests at the ranch.









This 2004 U.S. Department of Agriculture aerial photo shows a portion of the Armstrong Ranch in Texas, where Vice President Cheney accidentally shot 78-year-old lawyer Harry Whittington while hunting Saturday, Feb. 13, 2006. The yellow spot, right, was extrapolated by University of Texas scientist Gordon Wells using longitude and latitude data from the Kenedy County Sheriff's Department report on the accidental shooting. Texas authorities closed the investigation into Cheney's hunting accident Thursday, Feb. 16, 2006, without bringing any charges. (AP Photo/USDA via The American-Statesman)

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060217/480/txaus10102170034

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:04 AM
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1. Seriously, how is this any different than Abramoff's golf trips?
Does Dick declare these outtings as gifts?
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:05 AM
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2. What are the costs?
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 11:06 AM by Botany
high end 28 gauge Italian made custom shotgun $18,000.
28 gauge #7 1/2 shot shells 30.
cost to the US taxpayer for V.P.'s
trip: secret service, gas, air force 2, and other costs $150,00.
Different bribes, hush money, and pay offs $2.5 million

Walking away scott free after shooting a
man in the face & chest after drinking PRICELESS
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:16 AM
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3. meals, caterers, servants, hunt guides, dog wranglers, liquor
transportation, medevac helicopters...
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:22 AM
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5. Excellent.
Thanks for the laugh.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:20 AM
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4. If he was where that yellow dot is, where could the car have been
that she saw the accident from? Where would the SS vehicles have been?
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:25 AM
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6. you mean the secret service that let a man walk up behind the VP w/
a loaded shotgun?



No problems w/ the veep's story?
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 12:04 PM
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11. Yep, those SS - and the car she said she was in when she
"eye witnessed" the whole thing.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 12:10 PM
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12. you mean the eye witness who thought
Mr. W's shooting @ first was Cheney having a heart attack.

E.Z. to confuse ........ after all she isn't a doctor.



Somehow the whole thing doesn't pass the smell test. KO was all over this last night.
All but called the cover story a pack of lies and only people who wanted to support him
would believe the story that the Cheney was putting out.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:44 AM
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7. Okay, here's a weekend package at a paid hunting ranch -> $2400
http://www.mcohunts.com/quail.htm

Type


Included Features


Cost (subject to change)
Three day outfitted hunt package Guide, dogs, shotshells, custom hunting vehicle, lodging, meals, snacks, soft drinks, game cleaning and refrigeration

$2025 per hunter @ 3 hunters per guide
($675 per hunter per day)

or

$2400 per hunter @ 2 hunters per guide
($800 per hunter per day)
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:50 AM
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8. This one's only $700/day - cheap!
http://www.leonriverranch.com/texas-quail-hunting.htm

Quail Hunt Rates:
1/4 day per gun - $250 | 1/2 day per gun - $425 | Full day per gun - $700
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:52 AM
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10. This one's $850/day, but the meals aren't as fancy as Dick got >
http://www.monteolaranch.com/

Guided Quail Hunting

A. Guided Quail Hunting ($850.00 per person)

1. Minimum two (2) people, Maximum ten (10) people
2. One (1) night, One full day

* Full Evening Dinner on evening of arrival
* American Breakfast
* Morning Guided Quail Hunt
* Beef/Chicken Fajita Lunch
* Afternoon Guided Quail Hunt
* Unlimited Use of Regulation Skeet/Trap Range
* Open Bar
* Departure
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:51 AM
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9. with or without human target practice?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 01:07 PM
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13. let's say without
We can add that cost in later, after the doctor bills arrive.
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