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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 04:20 PM
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Is Bush Creating The Perfect Storm? (YOUR COMMENTS, PLEASE!)
A few weeks ago, I had the great pleasure of interviewing Stephen Fleischman, whose career as a television writer-director-producer spans more than three decades. Starting in 1953, Steve spent twenty years with ABC News and ten years with CBS News. In 1959, he participated in the formation of the renowned Murrow-Friendly "CBS Reports" series. In 2004, he wrote his memoir about his thirty years in Network News. The book is entitled "A Red in the House," and you can read more about Steve at his web site: http://www.aredinthehouse.com.

This month, I received a link to one of Steve Fleischman's recent articles, "Is Bush Creating The Perfect Storm?" The full text is posted at WBAI Radio, a New York web site.
http://www.wbai.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=8395&Itemid=2

I'd like to get your reactions to this interesting and important article. I'll read the best of your comments on my upcoming program devoted to politics. The show will be broadcast on the Internet on Monday, March 6, 2006, and locally through Channel 10's audio service in Portland, OR.

Send me a private message or post your responses in this thread. Thanks in advance for your help. Radio_Lady in Oregon

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Excerpts are below:

"Is Bush Creating The Perfect Storm?"

With outsourcing and downsizing and factory closings, and digital communications made easy and cheap, both blue-collar and white-collar jobs started flying off to that nirvana of capital, the enticing venue of the rock bottom wage, making that giant sucking sound that Ross Perot once spoke of. The industrial core of this country is being hollowed out.

Right now, we’re having another great drive of “corporatism” in the United States. President Eisenhower tried to warn us about it before he left office by calling it “the Military Industrial complex”. Benito Mussolini, the former dictator of Italy defined it in another way. He called “Corporatism” the interlocking of government and corporate power -- otherwise known as Fascism.

(snipped)

We have a new set of circumstances today. And we need a new strategy and tactics to deal with it. We have a growing pool, more of a roaring river of unskilled, mostly foreign born working class and underclass residents in this country, some citizens, some not. We have college graduates with no place to go. The formerly good jobs are now overseas. We have evaporating purchasing power as those good jobs disappear. With rising technology, the productivity of labor skyrockets, but the ability to buy the products we make or import plummets.

Bush says our economy is sound. Yes,(but) for whom? Not for the working class, the under-employed or the unemployed. Bush wants to institutionalize his tax cuts for the rich, has come up with a new military budget of more than 400 billion and, at the same time, wants to cut social spending. Would you call that rational?

We’re burdened with more than a military-industrial complex. We have a militarized nation. Still, the day is not far off when we’ll be forced out of Iraq as we were out of Vietnam. Our economy, despite Bush’s assurances, is being guided by a quivering invisible hand.

Bush is setting us up for the perfect storm.

It might do us some good to look back (at) some lessons of history.

The first great drive of corporatism hit the nation during the “Robber Baron” period, the late 19th and early 20th Century. So-called “captains of industry”, Rockefeller, Carnegie, Morgan, Gould, Vanderbilt, to name a few, started carving up the country, stealing what they could from the government, the land and the laboring classes.

There were also some sung and unsung heroes of the day (who) appeared on the scene during that period intent on protecting those laboring classes from the depredations of capitalist exploitation. They were engaged in what is called union organizing.

(snipped)

Although trade unions and guilds of various kinds existed before the Civil War, with the end of slavery, wage labor more appropriately met the needs of industry. The union movement became more militant. The internal conflicts in the labor movement were fought over policy, bitter and uncompromising. Sam Gompers certainly was one of the protagonists. His antagonist and nemesis was Eugene V. Debs. The sticking point -- should the labor movement restrict itself to economic issues, wages and working conditions -- or extend its influence into politics, Socialist and otherwise?

Horace Greeley, who founded the New York Tribune in 1841, was very interested in Socialist ideas and published articles by Karl Marx in his newspaper. Over the years, many of these ideas—Marx’s incisive analysis of Capitalism—seeped into the heads of some union leaders. A Socialist America was not unthinkable to many in those days.

(snipped)

Joe Hill, a songwriter, itinerant laborer and union organizer, led the dockworkers’ strike in San Pedro where he was arrested on trumped up charges and found guilty of a murder he didn’t commit. His fellow workers and comrades organized a major campaign to exonerate Hill but all efforts failed. Before his execution by firing squad on November 19, 1915, Joe Hill wrote to Big Bill Haywood:

"Good-bye Bill. I die like a true rebel. Don't waste any time mourning, organize!”

(snipped)

In 1925, writer Alfred Hayes wrote a poem about Joe Hill that was put to music by Earl Robinson in 1936; thus, later generations were inspired by Joe’s story. This is the first verse:

I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night,
Alive as you and me.
Says I "But Joe, you're ten years dead"
"I never died" said he,
"I never died" said he.

So -— what have we learned from all this that can help stop Bush and his administration from riding the ship of state into the perfect storm? Well, let’s listen to what Joe Hill said before he died:

“Don’t mourn for me, organize!”

Sounds good, doesn’t it? But (now) those old fashioned ideas seem romantic and quaint. They won’t work today. With union membership down to 13%, we can’t count on organized labor for much leadership, hard as they try.

Where are the (motivated organizers) of today, now that we really need them?

By Stephen Fleischman (Edited for brevity by Radio_Lady)
For additional information, go to: www.ARedintheHouse.com.

More at link:

http://www.wbai.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=8395&Itemid=2
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 04:25 PM
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1. Giving this a small boost for a busy Friday -- lest it fall off the edge
of the page and into infinity.

Appreciate your responses. My husband and I read this article while on vacation in AZ and NV. Steve's thoughts are profound and reminded us that we are sinking more deeply into a political maelstrom almost daily. The article is interesting and scary.

In peace,

Radio_Lady in Oregon
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 04:27 PM
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2. kick
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 11:33 PM
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73. Spanone, I'm acknowledging this a few days late. It's been a busy week.
Hope you have a wonderful weekend! I'm taking my granddaughter to see a preview of "Aquamarine" at a local theater on Saturday. Then, we're going to undertake a crafts project at a local town center.

I look for things to do with my grandkids, and am enjoying them so very much these days.



In peace,

Radio_Lady in Oregon
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 04:31 PM
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3. I'll kick this, too.
Don't want it to sink THAT fast.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 05:21 PM
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18. You're kind to do this, calimary. The article has some good history of
tough folks who wouldn't give up despite rough political waters all around. We have to muster this sort of courage in the face of everything that is going down right now.

Thanks again.

In peace,

Radio_Lady
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 04:37 PM
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4. K&R But Bush is only following orders -- PNAC, The Grand Chessboard
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 04:45 PM by Trevelyan
Bilderberg, Skull and Bones, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those not behind the scenes.-Benjamin Disraeli, First Prime Minister of England

THE BOOK HOLY BLOOD HOLY GRAIL by Michael Baigent & Henry Lincoln

Following the success of the international bestseller Bloodline of the Holy Grail, this illustrated account illuminates the Grail legacy with lavish images from the Pharaohs of Egypt, to Jesus and His apostles, to Medieval Grail maidens. Genealogist and historical lecturer Laurence Gardner offers real proof of a family line descending from Jesus Christ, documenting the royal heritage of the Messiah and a systematic suppression of records, while tracing the sacred lineage through the centuries.

Antichrist and a Cup of Tea

the secret agenda behind the DaVinci Code did not start with the author Dan Brown, it began with the Royal Merovingian Bloodline

http://www.angelfire.com/alt2/antichrist/1.html http://maxpages.com/kingarthur

http://www.ctrl.org/essay1/GBSBNW.html BUSH AND NEW WORLD ORDER
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 04:46 PM
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7. Appreciate your links and will read them this weekend.
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 04:52 PM by Radio_Lady
Right now, I'm washing clothes, making up a food shopping list, and planning dinner. Even thoughtful and intelligent people have to keep clean and eat now and then...

In peace,

Radio_Lady
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 09:29 PM
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25. More likely the Knights of Malta, not the Priory of Sion hoax
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 09:32 PM by EVDebs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=215343

The 'Holy Grail' is an allegory for the Ark of The Covenant, not for a bloodline of Christ, as the hoax of the Priory of Sion shows

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priory_of_Sion

A Third Temple seems to be what they all want, but what goes into that Third Temple and its unnecessary sacrificial system's reinstatement ? Ask yourself 'why' ?

Besides, as Martin A. Lee's motherjones archived article on the Knights of Malta shows, they have their own seat without a country at the UN, and vitually all of the early CIA leadership were KOM --Donovan, Angleton, Dulles, Colby, Casey, Gehlen (via Op Paperclip)...

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1983/07/willbedone.html

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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 01:17 PM
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38. Holy Blood, Holy Grail fits the "disinformation" pattern to me
Though it creates a climate. The DaVinci Code follows in its footsteps.

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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 11:49 PM
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54. Wait 'till The Solomon Key comes out by Dan Brown
All about Freemasonry.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 12:21 PM
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58. Jeez! What's the premise?
?
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 12:28 PM
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60. Beats me, sounds like he's rewriting.
Go to www.cultofdanbrown.com for more info (try the Solomon Key threads), and also Dan Brown's official website. Raymond Khoury's new bestseller The Last Templar appears to have beaten Brown to the punch, however.

TemplarMania strikes ! But IMHO the Knights Hospitalers, now known as the Knights of Malta, are the real force behind the dark mysteries of world power and domination, for what it's worth.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 06:31 PM
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47. Sounds like the "Temple of Doom"....
and who would be put in power, Sun Myung Moon or the Pope?
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 11:51 PM
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55. Both pretty much under CIA control
Edited on Sat Feb-18-06 11:52 PM by EVDebs
I'd be laughing but this stuff you can't make up. I'm serious.

The Third Temple stuff is very much the basis of the Left Behind series of novels and are required reading by Bush's base.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 04:38 PM
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5. bookmarked
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 04:39 PM by Viva_La_Revolution
and off to read the article.

:hi: We missed you at the meetup this month. I hope you had a great vacation!
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 04:47 PM
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9. Thanks so much. Please keep me posted about future meetings.
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 04:49 PM by Radio_Lady
It was nice to meet with you and other folks.

We went to the January meeting of the Washington County Democrats. My husband signed up to be a Precinct Committeeperson for Precinct #445, so he can attend other meetings.

I thought about you when I read Skinner's activist post. Did you see it too?

In peace,

Radio_Lady
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 05:12 PM
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16. Good for your hubby!
Yep, I saw it and have been spreading the love all over the internets. :)

Next MeetUp is March 4th. Venue to be announced. We met earlier this time, 4pm, and it worked better for everyone. Keep your eye on the Oregon forum in the next few weeks, and I'll let you know when it's set up.

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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 05:26 PM
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19. Viva, got the info and put it on my calendar.
Thanks for the heads up!
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 03:00 AM
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28. I'll try to remember and look at the Oregon forum.
So much else is going on that I forget to check it.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 04:39 PM
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6. K & R
:kick:
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 05:39 PM
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20. Greatest Page today! Steve is an excellent writer and has decades
of experience in bringing topical documentaries to television.

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FlaNoKerry Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 04:46 PM
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8. I will be attending the screening of America...Freedom to Fascism
at the Channelside Theatre in Tampa on Saturday. They say Michael Moore's Farenheit is childs play to this movie...this will be huge, when it is released late summer before the elections. Here is the info I have on it below...

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

My Tampa Associates:
This Saturday, Feb 18th from 1 - 5 PM we have a Free Screening of this important film at Channelside Theatre in Tampa: "America: From Freedom To Fascism"
Channelside Cinemas 10 & IMAX 615 Channelside Drive Tampa, FL 33602
There will also be a presentation by Bob Schultz of We The People http://www.givemeliberty.org/
And Harry McKay in period costume will present the famous speech by Patrick Henry that ends
"Give me liberty or give me death!"

Please read this review from our friend Chris Emery, filmmaker who is presently working on a documentary about the Oklahoma City Bombing who saw it in Austin last weekend

Spread the word!

Reviews:


Hello Jerry,

I saw this screening this past Saturday at the Austin, TX - Alamo Draft House. It is a very good movie! This is due to be featured at the Cannes Film Festival in France this coming May and distribution throughout the U.S. by July/August - ' 06.
Mr. Russo will wake up millions of people to the reality and illegality of the Federal Reserve Bank system and the Con job we've been given by the IRS - with this movie.

My truth colleague from OKC; Jenny Allen and several HUNDRED others in the truth movement in Austin attended the screening. Familiar names among the 911 and OKC truth movement showed up. Among them were: Tom Stoneburner from Waco, Gregg Roberts from Austin, Steve Skidmore, Steve Maynard and Jack Blood from , Mike Jones with Radio Free Austin and Pat Shannan - freelance journalist with American Free Press.

He takes the "Bull By The Horns" and he simply doesn't let up; even through the out-take shots and interviews during the roll of closing credits. There was NOT an empty seat in the theater. After the movie finished, Aaron received THREE standing ovations by more than 225 people in attendance.

Without a doubt, this movie makes Michael Moore's 'Fahrenheit-911' look like child's play.

In addition, I had the opportunity to speak with Mr. Russo before the screening. We talked about this movie and he encouraged Charles and I to forge ahead with the documentary film we're working on here in OKC.

Thanks for the heads-up on this Dallas screening. I rarely see a movie more than once. Nevertheless, I RECOMMEND THAT THIS FILM BE WATCHED AT LEAST TWICE.

My friend and I drove over 800 miles round trip to see the Austin, TX screening and if not for my work schedule, I would drive nearly 500 miles round trip to see it again this coming Thursday in Dallas. THAT'S HOW GOOD IT IS.

And hats off to the people involved with the Austin, TX Patriot / Truth Movement. You rock!!!

Best Regards,

Chris.

P.S. Mr. Bannister, you are to be congratulated many times over for the work you've done to expose the corruption within the top ranks of the IRS. You and your three colleagues in Mr. Russo's movie are true U.S. Patriots!



Those in the Dallas, Texas area (and those who can travel to Dallas) will be treated to a free screening of Aaron Russo's new film "America: From Freedom To Fascism" on February 16, 2006. Remember, the film has a heavy focus on the manner in which the federal government has deceived the American public regarding the income tax but there are many other fascinating topics of importance to each and every one of us. This film is something every concerned American should be able to rally around in order to stop the outrages our government servants visit upon us.

Please visit www.seenewfilms.com for details about how you can take a look through this unprecedented window depicting what the land of the free has become.

I urge you to "make noise" about the existence of this film to each and every one of your relatives, friends and acquaintances. Those who have followed the stories of many of those in the Tax Honesty Movement targeted for destruction by the federal government, including yours truly, can expect an effort to silence and/or discredit the message that this film brings to the American people. Each one of us needs to make sure the message gets out to our fellow Americans. The actual announcement appears below.

***********************************************

Register now for your Invitation to preview Aaron RussoS new documentary film:

"America: From Freedom To Fascism"

Seats are limited, So Register NOW!

Aaron Russo, the award winning film producer of such film hits as "The Rose," "Trading Places" and "Teachers", is previewing his latest film, America: From Freedom to Fascism, to select audience. His latest feature could be a horror flick ... if it wasn't a true story.

Mr. Russo will test screen his new feature film, "America: From Freedom To Fascism" at the Angelika Film Center in Dallas, Texas on Thursday, February 16, 2006 at 7:30PM.

SEATS ARE LIMITED, SO REGISTER NOW FOR YOU INVITATION

Please forward this message to you friends and family so they can register for their Invitation too.

Come visit us at: www.SeeNewFilms.com

:popcorn:
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 04:52 PM
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11. cool
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 05:10 PM
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15. You're kind to "kick and recommend" this article.
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 05:12 PM by Radio_Lady
You might also like to check out Steve's 2004 memoir "A Red In The House" published by iUniverse.

His web page is:

http://www.aredinthehouse.com

A Red in the House: The Unauthorized Memoir of S.E. Fleischman

What did CBS and ABC not know about Producer Stephen Fleischman during his thirty years in Network News-- and why did they not know it? "A Red in the House" takes personal history to a new level of daring, filled with revelations that once were too dangerous to publish involving the best in broadcast journalism. "A Red in the House" portrays a graphic picture of how the mainstream media arrived at the sorry state it's in today.






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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:09 PM
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68. UPDATE: Film Screening in Beverly Hills Thursday, 03/02/06
Edited on Tue Feb-21-06 08:10 PM by Radio_Lady
FlaNoKerry, looks as if Aaron Russo is going to enter the film in the Cannes Film Festival in May 2006. Did you get to the screening you mentioned?

Here's what else I read at www.SeeNewFilms.com

"America: From Freedom To Fascism"
Renowned producer of "Trading Places" and "The Rose" screens New Documentary
OVERFLOW CROWDS AND STANDING OVATIONS CONTINUE!
Next Showing: BEVERLY HILLS, Thursday March 2, 2006 at 7:00 PM

Aaron Russo cut a swath through the entertainment industry as a club owner, concert promoter, manager and award-winning producer of such film hits as "The Rose," "Trading Places" and "Teachers." His latest feature could be a horror flick ... if it wasn't a true story.

"America: From Freedom to Fascism" -- a documentary on the Internal Revenue Service, the Federal Reserve and the creeping tentacles of authoritarianism in American political life -- is showing to selected audiences throughout the county. The next screening will be in Beverly Hills, California on Thursday evening, March 2, 2006 from 7:00 to 10:30 PM.

"America: From Freedom To Fascism"
Fine Arts Theatre
8556 Wilshire Blvd.
Beverly Hills, CA 90211
Phone: (310) 659-3875

Thursday, March 2, 2006 at 7:00 PM
This Show is Open to the Public

We suggest that you get to the theater early and secure your seat. If you would like to keep informed of the film's pre-screening success click on one of the buttons above or below.
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 04:51 PM
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10. kick
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 03:01 AM
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29. Thanks, BigBrother05. I'll be watching YOU, and welcome to DU!
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 04:57 PM
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12. K&R
:kick:
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 04:58 PM
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13. The last motivated organizer and inspired leader we've seen was
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 05:04 PM by Cyrano
Martin Luther King. It's been 38 years since his death and it's been downhill ever since.

When he started out, the barriers that stood before him seemed insurmountable. Yet, through the power of TV images, and eventually, a sympathetic White House, opinions changed and he prevailed.

Today, TV and all other media outlets are carefully controlled, and the White House and all other branches of government are hostile toward We The People.

The only communications vehicle that has not been reined in, YET, is the internet. But no one has figured out how to fully exploit it for meaningful change and peaceful revolution. Beyond that, King's "revolution" depended, to a great degree, on his personal charisma. And that's a quality that doesn't come across on a computer screen.

Until we can find some way to wrest some of the levers of power away from our modern day robber barons, Bush's "perfect storm" seems destined to rage on.

(Updated for spelling.)

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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 03:11 AM
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31. I remember that day in 1968. I was living in NYC and was pregnant with
my first child. I wondered what kind of a world I was bringing a child into -- because I'd been through the Kennedy assassination in 1963 while I worked at NBC, and worked through the night helping to assemble film for the TV audience. And now MLK was dead.

I think the world was more upbeat later -- at least it was for me. Maybe my personal life was better in the 1980s and 1990s, so that colored my views of politics.

Let's be upbeat. The pendulum will swing; the wheel will come full circle.

Thomas Jefferson said it best in 1798:

"A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government to its true principles. It is true that in the meantime we are suffering deeply in spirit, and incurring the horrors of a war and long oppressions of enormous public debt. If the game runs sometimes against us at home we must have patience till luck turns, and then we shall have an opportunity of winning back the principles we have lost, for this is a game where principles are at stake."
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 05:00 PM
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14. K&R n/t
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 03:12 AM
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32. Virginian, thanks for the kick and the recommendation.
I'm pleased this ended up on the "Greatest" page today -- and you helped!
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 05:17 PM
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17. Fleischman doesn't seem able...
... to find any plausible and possible means of stopping this perfect storm, although that's probably not his point. And yet, the point may be that it can't be stopped. Economies, like weather systems, may have their tipping point, too. Many of the changes envisioned by the likes of Joe Hill and Eugene V. Debs didn't begin to happen until a large number of people began to feel the effects, in their own pocketbooks, of a government which worked primarily for the wealthy.

It may be that way today. This is an age when everything is upside-down. Striving for peace is unpatriotic. The people most affected economically by the government policies of corrupted politicians continue to vote them into office on non-economic issues. The economy is better, but only by the standards applied to the top tier in the economy. Lying to the public is now seen by the popular press as a virtue.

The only thing, to my mind, that will turn the country right-side up again is if this economy starts to hurt people in the lower tier that previously thought themselves impervious to economic decline. Once that happens, there will be a housecleaning and calls for genuine reform, and leaders will appear to make those changes. Then the process will start all over again.

The remaining question in my mind about this subject is how much damage will be created before the general populace realizes that they've been hoodwinked.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 05:52 PM
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22. Hi Punpirate! You could be right -- people will come to their senses,
but only after crushing losses by the middle and lower classes. I think the upper classes are cushioned somewhat, but that may not always be the case.

Essentially, I believe Steve Fleischman remains an optimist. I read his book and spoke with him for about thirty minutes on my program. However, here's a long interview that was posted when his memoir came out in 2004, and I've included some quotes:

From: http://smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=20900

Interview by Randolph T. Holhut, a journalist in New England for more than 20 years.

(snipped)

Fleischman hasn't given up on the belief that journalism can make a difference, but he knows from hard experience that it has never been easy.

"There are still a lot of damned good journalists out there," he said. "Unfortunately, if they're in the mainstream media, they're working in an oppressive environment. The editor is the guardian at the gate. He knows what kind of stories he can let through. The reporter soon learns how far he can push the envelope and it isn't very far."

(snipped)

Fleischman's book ends on a mixed note - hopeful that a lefty like him was able to survive 30 years in network TV and tell a few stories that may not have made it on to the screen otherwise, but pessimistic that big media is uniformly dismal and that most Americans are too timid to take on the capitalist system.

Just the same, Fleischman, at age 86, remains hopeful that things can't help but get better.

"Absolutely! That's the dialectics of nature," he said. "All things change. They're in constant change. As Marx said, the material conditions of life determine perception. You've got to take the long view of history. When an economic system no longer meets the needs of the masses, the system will collapse. The old always hangs on with all its might. When it seems strongest, it is usually at its weakest. That's what revolutions are all about. The capitalist system is about ready to go. It could take a few years or decades. Because of technology we are very vulnerable, but also because of technology, the world is closer. Trotsky may be proven right. The socialist revolution can only be successful as world revolution. Where is Trotsky now that we really need him!"

In peace,

Radio_Lady



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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:48 AM
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76. UPDATE: Punpirate, has this latest escapade with the ports and the
UAE -- hit the tipping point yet?

Others who posted here are suggesting that it is happening. What do you think?

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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 05:50 PM
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21. America the Incapable....?
Let me lift this discussion out of the realm of the neverending struggle for social and economic justice, for a moment. (That’s “class warfare,” to you reactionary types.) Not because I think it doesn’t belong there (which it emphatically does,) but because there are other issues at stake, issues that transcend the perennial debate about the social contract and the role of government in ensuring individual and family economic opportunity.

Recently I finished reading David McCullough’s entertaining history of the origins of the Panama Canal, The Path Between the Seas. Aside from being an engrossing human story, this tale of one of our nation’s greatest engineering and technical achievements highlighted something we appear to have forgotten. Or maybe lost sight of? Simply put, the technical capacity to build a functional canal of such magnitude did not exist until only a decade or so before the U.S. construction effort began. Within that decade, the United States assembled and mobilized that capacity to complete one of the most spectacular projects ever undertaken by human beings. Could we do that with our economy as it is currently structured? I don’t think so.

Or, if a more recent example is needed, less than fifty years ago the United States assembled and mobilized, also in a decade or so, the capacity to complete the 20th century’s other spectacular feat of human engineering, the transit of human beings to the moon and back. Could we do that today? Take a technology that exists only in nascent and conceptual form, set a goal of applying it to master a seemingly impossible challenge of incredible magnitude, within a decade or so?

Both the Panama Canal and the Apollo 11 mission were possible because at the time they were conceived, America had, already in place, an infrastructure of industrial and technical capacity that could immediately grasp the requirements of the new demands and direct existing research, development, fabrication and application resources to that end. And what is perhaps more remarkable, there was virtually no graft, corruption, invoice-padding, kickback-applying, procurement fraud, etc., connected with either project. (At least, none that has come to light to date.) Yes, the corporate interests that participated in each project ultimately profited handsomely by the new technologies and capacity they acquired during the projects — but not at the expense of the projects and the taxpayers that funded them.

What America is losing, in our reckless, “market-driven” devolution of industrial and technical infrastructure, is more than the jobs that support our people and hold the fabric of our society together. We are selling, squandering, and giving away the very capabilities we need to address challenges of unprecedented magnitude— challenges that are already upon us. Two challenges, in particular, that directly threaten the physical survival of our nation: the threat of WMD-capable terrorism, and the threat of environmental damage so severe as to degrade the ability of our continent to support human life.

If ever we have needed the kind of technical capacity that existed in America at the peak of the Industrial Revolution, or in the wake of World War II, we need it now, as these deadly challenges hang over us like the sword of Damocles. Yet this is the very capacity that is slipping from our grasp, as we let “market-driven” globalization rob us of the physical capability to mobilize the human, intellectual, technical, and financial capital, and indeed, the very will to meet such challenges.

It’s not just Joe Hill who is shouting at us from beyond the grave to “organize!” Teddy Roosevelt, the unashamed imperialist, and John F. Kennedy, the visionary of anti-communism, are standing right next to Joe, hollering at the top of their lungs, hoping someone in Washington is listening. Alas, I fear they’re in for a massive case of ectoplasmic laryngitis.

worriedly,
Bright
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #21
23. TygrBright, you make some excellent points here! Thanks for taking
the time to communicate this to us. I will certainly bring your words to my audience.

In peace,

Radio_Lady

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GregD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 06:20 PM
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24. Well written
I enjoyed reading this
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 03:02 AM
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30. GregD, I'll be using this thread on a political show that will be aired on
Monday, March 6, 2006. I appreciate your comment.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 01:46 AM
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26. Great post, Radio_Lady
K & R

I gotta get some sleep, so I'll comment over the weekend. Hope to see you and Al again soon!
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 02:56 AM
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27. Thanks, Steve. I'd appreciate your comments if you have time.
See you soon!

Warm regards,

Radio_Lady
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:02 PM
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71. Radio Lady: setup time is over, we are IN the storm
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:34 AM
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74. So, you believe that between my 2/17 original post and 2/24 today...
the perfect storm has been created?

Wow! Chalk that up to a fortune cookie or the planets finally aligning, or whatever.

What's the next move? Predictions accepted right now. Will discuss this on my next radio escapade (recording is tomorrow, but might delay until next Friday if you think that would be best.)

In peace,

Radio_Lady

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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 10:21 AM
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33. Unions Leave AFL-CIO
Being an IronWorker Im glad to see this shake-up.Perhaps now we can get the ball rolling on some MAJOR Corporation ass kicking.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/15/national/15union.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

The national labor movement suffered a new split yesterday when two major construction unions — the laborers and the operating engineers — announced that they were quitting the Building and Construction Trades Department of the A.F.L.-C.I.O.


The unions also said they would soon announce the creation of a rival building trades group, the National Construction Alliance, that would include the carpenters, the bricklayers, the iron workers and the Teamsters. The new group, officials from the two unions said, would have more than 1.5 million members and would be more vigorous than the Building and Construction Trades Department in unionizing construction workers.

"We cannot stand idly by, tied to a past that promises only further decline for construction workers," said Terence M. O'Sullivan, president of the Laborers International Union of North America, which has 700,000 members. He indicated that his union would soon quit the A.F.L.-C.I.O., following five other unions that have left the federation in the past year.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 12:49 PM
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35. Thanks for citing this article, Twist. Let's hope the new groups have more
Edited on Sat Feb-18-06 12:51 PM by Radio_Lady
bargaining powers -- along with the sheer guts required to confront the burgeoning problems unions have with management.

My husband believes the "beginning of the end" was in the 1980s when Reagan broke the air controllers union and hired all new people.

Your input for my program is welcome.

Make peace a worldwide priority in 2006.



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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 10:55 AM
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34. Harness that roaring river.
The trick is to get past the propaganda. The propaganda machine has been so efficient that many of those being exploited believe everything their overlords tell them. They react on a visceral, unthinking level and support the policies that do them the most harm.

To organize under some new banner; not a "union" banner, since so many don't work for unions, and unions have been so vilified. Some organization with a populist message that won't be automatically labeled as "D" or "R," since those are emotional triggers that override thought. One that can create emotional triggers of its own, using a populist message.

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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 12:58 PM
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36. Important insight, LWolf. One of the most ironic things that
has happened in the last several years is the proliferation of people who are not thinking for themselves. Many of them are completely turned off and tuned out. Those that are trying to understand the machinations of this government subsist on a diet (if they have a political diet at all) being fed to them by government propagandists and the religious right on television and radio. They just can't see the bigger view; how this administration is washing away the true foundations of this country.

It gives me goosebumps to think that Orwell had it so right in his book 1984, which I read in the 1960s.

In peace,

Radio_Lady



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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 03:04 PM
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61. I was listening to Rabbi Lerner on CSPAN this morning.
He was speaking on book TV about his recently published book, "The Left Hand of God: Taking Back Our Country from the Religious Right." He gave me some food for thought about how we go about trying to get people to think for themselves.

The right uses emotion, understanding that an emotional reaction has "triggers" that will override logic. They use the spiritual hunger of their followers to set those emotional triggers by linking everything to faith. We use logic and rationality, and separate the spiritual part of ourselves from our public lives in an effort to maintain the separation of church and state. Our logic doesn't penetrate those emotional triggers already set.

He also talked about the world view that is indoctrinated in everyone through mass media from such a young age, and how that view needs to be redefined. I'm not sure why I thought of your post while I was listening to him, but I thought I'd pass it on. I'm still thinking about what he was saying, so he must have said something that "triggered" my brain!

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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:43 AM
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65. Sorry I didn't see Book TV CSPAN. I'll try and look up his book.
Edited on Tue Feb-21-06 12:52 AM by Radio_Lady
Is it a 2006 book? I'll have to check with the publisher. I really like the title.
Where is Dr. Lerner from?

On edit: Here's one link: http://www.tikkun.org/rabbi_lerner/books/left-hand

Looks like Dr. Michael Lerner will be in OREGON for a bunch of days. I'll try to get to see or interview him. Appreciate your post... RL

Sunday, March 5th Portland, OR
9 am and 11 am sermons at First Unitarian Church
1011 SW 12th Ave.
Portland, OR 97205
503.228.6389

Sunday, March 5th Portland, OR
7 pm First Congregational Church
1126 SW Park Ave.
Portland, OR 97205
503.650.4447

Monday, March 6th Eugene, OR
7 pm Temple Beth Israel
2550 Portland St. (1 block west of Willamette St.)
Eugene, OR 97405
541.607.5681

Tuesday, March 7th Portland, OR
1 pm Portland State University
Smith Ballroom in the Smith Center
1825 SW Broadway
Portland, OR 97207

Tuesday, March 7th Portland, OR
7:30 pm Powell’s Bookstore
1005 W Burnside
Portland, OR 97209
503.228.0540 x 5482

Thanks again.

In peace,

Radio_Lady
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:05 AM
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66. Let me know what you think if you go.
I'm committed to a community function my students are participating in this weekend, and I'm not going to make it over the Cascades during the school week, or I'd check him out myself.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #66
67. Sounds like fun. I may not make it either because I have my grandkids
Edited on Tue Feb-21-06 08:00 PM by Radio_Lady
that weekend from Thursday to Sunday. (Just found out today...) And, wonder of wonders, the Academy Awards ceremony is in the evening. I review books, films and theater for Oregon Public Broadcasting.

Thanks for your post!

In peace,

Radio_Lady in Beaverton, OR
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:51 AM
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69. I'll have to listen for you on OPB.
I tend to have it on between 4am and 7am; just a narrow window of time. What a great job!
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 07:59 PM
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70. My show comes on Mondays at 1 PM Pacific Time and is heard on
Edited on Wed Feb-22-06 08:41 PM by Radio_Lady
the Internet (as well as on a carrier wave on KOPB-TV as a secondary audio program feature). We estimate our available audience at 80,000 to 100,000 persons in Oregon and southern Washington state.

To hear sample programming via the Internet (or to hear my program on Mondays at 1PM Pacific Time), go to:

http://www.opb.org/programs/streams

Choose a "Golden Hours" media player from the SECOND PARAGRAPH. This will connect you with the streaming audio of OPB's "Golden Hours."

For your information, "Golden Hours" is a 24/7 service of Oregon Public Broadcasting that has been around for decades in this area. We now provide seven full days of interesting and unique programs. You can view the full schedule at the following link:

http://www.omnimedianetworks.org/textschedule.htm

In peace,

Radio_Lady



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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 01:10 PM
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37. K & R
There is a perfect storm brewing, a real tsunami. My question has been, over the last year, when will it hit? It may be necessary for so far nothing has come close to waking our nation from the sleepwalking it has been engaged in. It could be that for this country to become what we always thought it was, we may have to start over, building from the ground up.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 01:48 PM
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39. Where are the Debs’ and the Haywoods and the Hills and “the Saints” of now
many are on the INTERNETs... they put millions of people in the streets, GLOBALLY, this time even before the ILLEGAL Iraq war broke out.


we have an excellent opportunity to organize across time & space - just like they do - on the INTERNETs and it's advantage is only growing.

the M$M are consolidating & segmenting themselves out of business while alternative media flourishes.


we have the numbers to take it back and there is no better way than to organize as this article points out.

thanks for sharing k&r

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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 02:53 PM
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41. Socialism has been so vilified, although in actuality it
works pretty well, except for the elite few, maybe. Bernie Saunders is a voice for the working class, he is a marvel to listen to , he is always on Thom Hartmann show and I think, "why aren't all are "elected representative's" like this?"
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 06:01 PM
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44. Great point! Steve Fleischman take heart! Those of us who get together
here have fire in our eyes and our bellies. We talk about "the coming revolution" unabashedly. I hope we are strong through the next couple of years. This administration doesn't know what it's doing (except for shared talking points) -- it's all so much smoke and mirrors.

Stay cool and stay connected.

In peace,

Radio_Lady

"Guns don't shoot people, Vice Presidents shoot people!"

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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 02:08 PM
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40. Everybody is on the take. The system is the problem.
What we have is a one party system run and funded by the bosses. The Republicans are the "bad cop" and the Democrats are the "not as bad" cop. Both offer the same "solutions" to what is, in reality, a crumbling empire, over-extended, reliant on rebellious client states, that is going broke trying to "defend our vital interests" (aka - the corporations).

There is no grand conspiracy to any of this. It's just what Hannah Arendt called the "banality of evil". The greed, ambition, and self interest, of the powerful. And, the apathy of the citizenry who are unwilling to pay attention to evidence that surrounds them.

The Romans used "bread and circuses" to keep the populace silent and obedient. We have Big Macs and the Super Bowl.

As Lincoln said, "We cannont avoid history."

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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 02:59 PM
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42. I am beginning to realize that we don't really have two parties
It is too upsetting to think that there is really no one to turn to, but it is the truth. The deal that they have going for themselves is, when one "party" is in power, they make the laws that they will benefit from when they join the private sector when the other "party" is in power.
We just need a few good people to get in there so laws can be changed to prevent things from ever getting this bad again. First order of business should be our election system; get rid of the machines and get rid of the corporate campaign contributions.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 03:51 PM
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43. I believe that, at this stage, history will just follow it's course.
Those in power, and I mean all those in power, will never give it up until it's too late. The system has been so corrupted by money and influence that it's now accepted by the citizenry who are powerless to change it. What we need, is not a "few good people", but an outraged citizenry who will finally see that this "democracy" isn't what it's advertized as, but an oligarchy of the rich and powerful, and demand real change instead of "politics as usual" and the "not as bad" wing of the same corporate/nationalist party.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 06:17 PM
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46. This is a very thoughtful reply, Tierra. We hate what is going on too.
My husband says he feels powerless. However, the longest journey begins with a single step. At least the young men who started this website tapped into many of us who feel beaten down, but not done yet.

We'll see what we do over the next few months. November 2006 may be a happier month than we think.

In peace,

Radio_Lady

"Guns don't shoot people, Vice Presidents shoot people."
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 06:08 PM
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45. Tierra, you may be right, but I hope you are not.
Edited on Sat Feb-18-06 06:12 PM by Radio_Lady
I don't believe the majority of people (even politicians) are actually evil; they just pursuing their lives and not paying too much attention to politics. Last night on Bill Mahar's HBO show, Senator Russ Feingold discussed the need for revisions in the funding of elections -- possibly public funding. Maybe that's the way to go. There has to be an answer or multiple answers.

We got rid of evil and secretive people in the Nixon era. It was a nightmare time, but we survived. If things get much worse with the Bush Crime Family, I do think the "sheeple" might get smart soon. I've heard from many former Republicans who say they have "seen the light". One young man from north Texas said his whole family is Republican, but he and his grandmother are still Democrats. However, recently he has been exploring the "wrongs" of this particular group of GOPsters with his family members. He thinks his sister and brother-in-law are ripe for change.

By the way, I didn't watch the Super Bowl and never go to McDonalds, except to use their bathroom!

In peace,

Radio_Lady

"Guns don't shoot people, Vice Presidents shoot people."
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 07:01 PM
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48. Radio_Lady My glass has been half empty for a long time
Everyone's statements above are correct AND

We have no free press...MSM sucks!
We have a populous that has been dumbed down beyond belief
Our education system is broken
Half the Democratic Party are Republican lites and the small part that represents us is powerless to get anything done
The country is getting older and with it is health/meds that will not be available
The country is getting older and outsourcing at this time has far reaching implications. Go tell a 55 year old they need to get re-trained is a horror


Senator Feingold is correct. The only way we could fix this is with mandatory public funding of National elections. I have said on previous posts it would only take $5/yearly from every voting citizen to fund Congress and Presidency

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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #48
52. There are visionaries at work on every level in the United States.
Edited on Sat Feb-18-06 10:44 PM by Radio_Lady
Here's my contribution from Portland, Oregon.

http://www.publicampaign.org/pressroom/pressreleases/release2005/release_05_19_05.htm

Splash page is at:

http://www.publicampaign.org/

Thanks for your post, serryjw.

Today WE are on the the Internet -- and we are the NEW free press! That's a GOOD thing!
I believe the vast population of the US is truly split by this government, but IMHO we liberals are now MORE than 1/2 as the war and other atrocities and audacities continue on.

Try to remember that Al Gore won the popular vote by 500,000 in 2000. The votes were in the wrong states and the Supreme Court made a terrible error.

I think there are substantial differences between Democrats and Republicans, and wouldn't deign to call us "Republican lites." Maybe that's true of some politicians, but we can still work to weed out those who say one thing and do another.

I totally agree about your conclusions about the aging of the US. Health and medical issues are at the top of my list of things that need fixed. Although my husband and I are retired, we still feel that job outsourcing is a big problem. America needs real leadership to figure out these thorny issues.

By the way, I think First Lady Hillary Clinton had some good ideas in the 1990s when she proposed those initial health care changes. It's just that the Clintons had too much on their plate in those early years. If Bill Clinton had only followed his head and not his sexual proclivities, it would have been so much better. But, then, I got mixed up in that "sexual fantasy" arena myself -- and far be it from me to criticize. Luckily, my wonderful husband stood by me while I got myself straightened out with therapy and insight.

In peace,

Radio_Lady
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 11:15 PM
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53. WOW! That is such good news
I am proud of all whom supported this. It is a great first step. Having clean elections is our #1 priority. Corportate personhood, lobbyists, HAVA will be the end of this Republic as we know it.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #45
51. I put my hope elsewhere.
If "hope" is the right word for a sense of inevitablity.

Most of my hope for this country died at Kent State, My Lai, and the Chicago convention in '68. Since then, I've watched this country descend into nationalism and jingoism spurred on by the likes of Reagan and Bush with the acquiescence of Democrats who saw in their success the way to power by appealing to more boorish instincts of the American people.

So, my hope resides in the flow of history which decrees the downfall of empires brought on by their own greed for wealth and power. There's a revolution going on around the world against the rapacity of the corporations which is being ignored. Unfortunately, history also teaches us that the revolutionaries are fated to be corrupted by the very power they seek to depose.

But, on the up side, I'm of an age to appreciate the struggles of a few good people (and, I certainly don't mean politicians)who continue to do what they can to alleviate the suffering of their fellows in the name of humanity.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 11:30 PM
Response to Reply #51
72. Your thoughtful and profound reply was received today, Tierra.
I hope you are one of the people who is doing something in the name of humanity.

To parapharase someone much more imaginative than I am, "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step."

For those who are reading this for the first time, please take that step, in your home or office, or on the playing field of life.

In peace,

Radio_Lady

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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 07:29 PM
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49. Excellent post
Thanks for sharing this. I agree, we need to come up with some way to organize, in order to salvage our economic well being, and our livelihoods. Perhaps what we need is to unionize on a global scale. The elite are using globalization against us, chasing the poorest paid workers, then abandoning them for someone even lower down on the economic scale.

If we are to have a global economy, why not a unionized global work force? Instead of letting wages sink to the lowest levels, we should be organizing to be sure that all wages rise, and that they are all living wages. Paying living wages will not hurt the ultra wealthy in the slightest. Once people have amassed billions of dollars, the extra money they squeeze out of our labor does nothing but cater to their egos, and temporarily sate their greed. The more they have, the more they want.

If anybody is truly interested in a more peaceful world, lifting people out of grinding poverty is one of the best ways to do it. I don't expect the elite to welcome this idea, but we do outnumber them, and instead of letting them pit us against each other by using race, nationality, and religion, let us instead unite in a common goal of economic stability for all. I feel that THIS...not invading helpless countries, is what would help achieve peace.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:44 AM
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75. Ninkasi, I apologize for not acknowledging your post until today.
I'd like to know more about global unionizing. Sad to day, I have no idea if it would be possible, or whether anyone has ever tried this out.

I did come across this in La Paloma in Tubac, Arizona, a store selling goods made by Mexicans and other people of Hispanic descent. It was pasted under the glass on their counter, together with pictures of the actual people the store was supporting. It is a great quote. I reproduce it here:

LIVING POOR

"Living poor is like being sentenced to exist in a stormy sea in a battered canoe, requiring all your strength simply to keep afloat. There is never a question of reaching a destination. True poverty is a state of perpetual crisis, and one wave, just a little bigger or coming from an unexpected direction, can and usually does wreck things. Some benevolent ignorance denies a poor man the ability to see the squalid sequence of his life, except very rarely; he views it rather as a disconnected string of unfortunate sadnesses. Never having paddled on a calm sea, he is unable to imagine one. I think if he could connect the chronic hunger, the sickness, the death of his children, the almost unrelieved physical and emotional tension into the pattern that his life inevitably takes -- he would kill himself."

Written by Moritz Thompson, Peace Corps volunteer



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Montagnard Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 07:41 PM
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50. Debs, Heywood and, the Union died of boredom during the 50s.
Edited on Sat Feb-18-06 07:43 PM by Montagnard

The American world got fat and learned that “Leave it to Beaver” was a more healthy pursuit than politics. The cry of "Better Dead than Red" was applied to everything that perked with any controversy.

Couple that with the Taft-Hartley and you had the perfect storm. The unions were anemic when the B-cowboy rode into town and slapped down the air traffic controllers, to the huzzah of the Babbitts and blue-collars.

Perfect storm? No, I think we are in the days after the hurricane whipped through Key Largo. Me? I'm looking for a Bogie to bring Eddie G. to heel.
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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 11:54 PM
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56. I'll kick this too
:kick:

Unfortunately, disaster will have to strike before workers in this country organize again like they
should. Repukes have sold too many uneducated ones on the "It's every man for him (or her) self" philosophy.
They have somehow been able to convince too many working people that when the ship sinks they will somehow
survive.

The truth is that rich people will occupy all of the lifeboats and the rest of us will have to fend for ourselves
(just like on the TITANIC).

My fear is that the ship will be sinking when the majority of the public finally wakes up and smells the coffee.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 03:16 AM
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57. Maybe I'm just a cockeyed optimist this month, but I don't feel as
desperate as I did last year.

It's almost as if I am getting ready for a fight right now. It's finally 2006, the year we were waiting for. Now, I want it to be November and over the next few months, I want to help convince people to extricate themselves from this one-sided government that has gone awry.

Just an aside -- we didn't meet any hostile Republicans on our trip to Arizona and Nevada. We talked to people going to Mexico for their dental work (because it's cheaper there) in the line to re-enter the U.S. on foot from Nogales. They were all residents of Arizona who were very aware that the Republicans have too much power and they need to be put out to pasture.

We met the son of one of the Senators from New Mexico who was working as a waiter at a local bistro in Scottsdale. He wants to teach high school or college level classes, and did not appear to be drawn to politics at all.

We talked with a Texan from the northern part of the state who is in a Republican family. He and his grandmother are Democrats, and well aware of what's going on.

Discussions with most everyone produced NOT ONE NEGATIVE COMMENT blaming Democrats about the state of the world, the war, the health care situation, the lies, the bluster, etc. etc.

In Bisbee, Arizona, an 85-year-old man who had been a WW II survivor of more than three years in a Japanese death camp -- and who had four sons who served in the Marines in Viet Nam -- agreed with us that Iraq was an unnecessary mistake and we should withdraw as soon as possible!

In peace,

Radio_Lady


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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 12:28 PM
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59. Kick. (nt)
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 04:24 PM
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62. Stickdog, thanks for posting. That cartoon panel is wonderful.
Edited on Mon Feb-20-06 04:26 PM by Radio_Lady
Did you do that work? I'm in awe of people who do this sort of illustration. We have one fellow who is really into it, Mike Russell (or M.E. Russell). He also reviews movies for a local newspaper here in Portland, Oregon.


See his work at:

www.culturepulp.com

In peace,

Radio_Lady
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:11 PM
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63. "Good-bye Bill. I die like a true rebel. Don't waste any time mourning, or
explain selflessness to a DINO and win a prize!

I was at a grocery store Starbucks. I asked it it was still union. She said it was. I said, "Good. I must be old school, I still try to buy union."

She sneered at my commie librul comment. Then went about her union scale job with benefits.
If I were to be a bitch I would have pointed out the stand on the corner and invited her to work there for half wages and no benefits.

Americans have been thoroughly propagandized by a traitorous corporate media.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:34 AM
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64. She doesn't seem to know what side her bread is buttered on --
or, in the case of Starbucks, what side her coffee is creamed on...

Was she very young? Perhaps still single and in school (or not). Maybe she doesn't realize how important those benefits will become when she is older, sicker, or unemployed!

She also could be the brainwashed child of a Seattle Republican -- or just plain brainless! I'd have to know more to make a real decision.

Keep spouting your liberal doctrines far and wide. Just know they are falling on SOME young, and formerly DEAF, ears!

In peace,

Radio_Lady in Oregon

BUMPER STICKER SEEN TODAY IN PORTLAND

"For the record, I'm against the NEXT war, too!"
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 01:35 AM
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77. It's hard to believe how far down we've gone
My dad was a USSteel union leader and I know this would shock him. I find myself thinking of him a lot these days.

Do you think, as I do, that one of the things that contributed to the destruction of unions are Right-to-Work states? I live in one, and watched in amazement as helicopter pilots could not organize a union, and eventually lost all their benefits as their company went down. Of course, the owners of the company promised them everything and lost little when the company folded; only the workers lost, e.g. pensions, health insurance and stock. Some of the workers had been with this company for more than 25 years.

This really stinks, trying to retake territory. I hope it works though, impossible as it seems. Thanks for the links.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 11:19 PM
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78. Used to be a dues-paying union member myself (AFTRA) in Boston.
AFTRA (American Federation of Radio/TV Artists) was active then and the union covered all talent at WEEI-AM, the CBS owned-and-operated station where I worked. There was another union for the audio engineers, and I remember clearly bringing in a cassette recorder which I owned at one point. The shop steward was a BIG guy named Steve with golden hair and steely blue eyes. He told me in no uncertain terms that I was NEVER TO BRING OR TRY TO OPERATE ANY EQUIPMENT AT THE STATION, which was grounds for any talent to be dismissed under their union contract.

AFTRA was close to going out on strike at least once in the 1970s, but I think the whole thing was averted. I'm glad I had that union and their insurance, and was able to cover my spouse's sudden medical needs (a back problem that necessitated surgery) when he was out of work. I think we even had DUAL MEDICAL COVERAGE at one point when we both had jobs (who can afford THAT now?)

I'm not familiar with Right-to-Work states. However, we had a medical plan evaporate underneath us when Egghead.com went bankrupt in August 2001. My husband took a job with them in January 2001 as a software engineer in Vancouver, Washingtin. The company was "self insured" so when they collapsed, there were NO COBRA benefits. My husband was old enough to qualify for Medicare, but I had to pay more than $400 a month for three years before I turned 65 in 2004 and was eligible for an HMO.

You're right. Unions helped this country a great deal, and gave the little guy a voice in what happened to him/her. Now, with megacorporations sucking the blood money in from anywhere they can get cheap help, what's going to happen?

Appreciate your comments. Let's all try and stay cool. Maybe this administration will (finally) dig a hole deep enough to bury itself.

In peace,

Radio_Lady

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