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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:31 AM
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Bush's Mysterious New 'Programs' - Labor, Work Camps & Detention Centers

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/022106a.html

A must read article. Truly terrifying. Here is just the beginning of the artice - go to above link for the whole thing!

Not that George W. Bush needs much encouragement, but Sen. Lindsey Graham suggested to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales a new target for the administration’s domestic operations -- Fifth Columnists, supposedly disloyal Americans who sympathize and collaborate with the enemy.

“The administration has not only the right, but the duty, in my opinion, to pursue Fifth Column movements,” Graham, R-S.C., told Gonzales during Senate Judiciary Committee hearings on Feb. 6.

“I stand by this President’s ability, inherent to being Commander in Chief, to find out about Fifth Column movements, and I don’t think you need a warrant to do that,” Graham added, volunteering to work with the administration to draft guidelines for how best to neutralize this alleged threat.

“Senator,” a smiling Gonzales responded, “the President already said we’d be happy to listen to your ideas.”

In less paranoid times, Graham’s comments might be viewed by many Americans as a Republican trying to have it both ways – ingratiating himself to an administration of his own party while seeking some credit from Washington centrists for suggesting Congress should have at least a tiny say in how Bush runs the War on Terror.

But recent developments suggest that the Bush administration may already be contemplating what to do with Americans who are deemed insufficiently loyal or who disseminate information that may be considered helpful to the enemy.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:37 AM
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1. 5th column movements, aka Democratic campaigns?
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:34 PM
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11. And DU , ACLU,Kos, Indymedia,ZNET, United for Justice with Peace,
Edited on Tue Feb-21-06 12:35 PM by mom cat
MoveOn, Code Pink, Veterans for Peace, All non hate based religious groups,the list goes on and on! It is you and me.
First they came for the trade unionists....
you know the rest.
They will try to pick off the "fringe people" first. Don't let them do it. If they do it to "the least of these" they will do it to you!
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SupplyConcerns Donating Member (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 06:55 PM
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32. Hell, I'm worried about my Facebook groups
On Facebook.com I've started the groups "New Orleans Is a Muder Scene" and "Oberlin Anti-Fascists". Feelin' pretty vulnerable. Also, I'm teaching a class at Oberlin's Experimental College about Peak Oil.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 01:32 PM
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48. Our only hope is for all of us to keep talking and to scream bloody
murder when anyone gets harrassed.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 03:13 PM
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51. Attend vigils regularly
Let folks know there is an alternate narrative to that pushed by the Regime.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 01:27 AM
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40. Quakers.
People who speak Truth to Power.

People who won't vote according to the rethug doctrine.


US.



HAVE to GET these guys IMPEACHED. Rhode Island is working on it. SUPPORT RHODE ISLAND!!!

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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 04:08 AM
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41. Elderly Catholic Nuns -- very dangerous women...
...who oppose nuclear weapons and shelter refugee/immigrants from Latin America.

Gotta watch 'em.

Hekate
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 11:54 AM
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46. well actually
I had it on good report from my catholic school friends that them elderly catholic nuns were absolutely lethal with a ruler.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 07:28 PM
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53. A group in Denver ended up on the watch-list for the cops and FBI
My Mom's cousin was one of them. Sisters from her order have sheltered refugees from Latin America without asking for their papers. I don't remember what-all else, but a couple of years ago she was interviewed by CBS (?) for their news-segment on how she and her sisters ended up on the watch-list.

Some nuns (I don't remember if this was her order or another) also infiltrated the nuclear bomb factory in Colorado; they hit the bomb casings with a hammer (symbolic obviously, not expecting it to physically damage the things) and drew crosses in blood on them. Prison awaits. :wow:

My Mom didn't raise us Catholic, but I would love to meet Sister A. She's become a hero to me.

Hekate
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:32 PM
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54. My favorite nuns taught me a lot about protesting.
They have their weekly protest against the war - some of them must be 80 by now - they have climbed over Honey Well's fences and got arrested to get their day in court etc.... to get publicity for the fact that Honey Well made components for military weapons.

They were in the Sister's of St Joseph order. One was a red headed rowdy woman who introduced me to a Saint I hadn't heard of before, Saint Dymphna, Patron Saint of the Insane. I was in a women's shelter for a while and she organized Saint Dymphna Days. We had a contest to see which woman could grow the longest leg hair in the middle of MN winter and had pillow fights that looked like a Xena staff training for some goofy prizes.

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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:37 AM
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2. the Pentagon’s Civilian Inmate Labor Program ???

Labor Camps

There also was another little-noticed item posted at the U.S. Army Web site, about the Pentagon’s Civilian Inmate Labor Program. This program “provides Army policy and guidance for establishing civilian inmate labor programs and civilian prison camps on Army installations.”
...
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:40 AM
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4. Take the time to read AR 210-35.
There's a gem on every page. :thumbsdown:
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:50 PM
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31. also take time to look at this one . . .
ENDGAME: Office of Detention and Removal Strategic Plan, 2003-2012
a document of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, dated June 27, 2003 . . .

http://www.yuricareport.com/Civil%20Rights/Endgame.pdf

and there's more links here . . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=328519&mesg_id=328941

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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 03:08 PM
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50. I just posted the original article
Can someone please summarize all the PDF links for us poor souls that are on dial up!
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:37 AM
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3. Bush should catch some real terrorists not vegetarians
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:43 AM
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5. Hey, how 'bout catchin' terrorists who shoot guys in the face!
While drunk.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:10 PM
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20. I'd like to see that on a bumpersticker...
....catch real terrorists, not vegetarians!
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The Blue Flower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:47 AM
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6. Run of the mill dictatorship
Why should this dictatorship be different from any other?
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:55 AM
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7. Why do the names Pinochet, Stroessner, and Hitler come to mind?
When do the disappearings start?

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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:45 PM
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24. Why do you think he has Chertoff in charge of Homeland Security?
He's already got "experience" helping folks like Pinochet in South America with their "problems"... Just wait until we have some legislation expanding the School of the Americas (along with a "domestic" program there that will cater to KBR, etc.)... They'll also help Wal-Mart and other big companies build *more* bunkers to house their CEOs, etc.
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FormerRepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 11:12 AM
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8. The Fifth Column mostly resides in the Congress and Bush Admin...
...so they should start looking for their camp residents among THAT lot. The rest of us are far more "American" than the Nazis busy looting our country.
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Dr. Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 11:16 AM
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9. Newsflash: BUSH IS THE FIFTH COLUMN
That should be apparent to all by now, with his connections to the Saudis/Bin Ladens, this port deal he refuses to reject, etc.

Impeach Bush
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:28 PM
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10. go here for links to some supporting documentation . . .
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:35 PM
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12. This is some truly scary shit.
I plan to flee the country before these camps are activated. :scared:
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:42 PM
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35. Where are you going?
We're building a house in Panama--just hope it's finished before the detention camps are opened!
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 01:21 AM
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39. I'm thinking Mexico.
Edited on Wed Feb-22-06 01:22 AM by EOO
I plan to get a job that will allow me to move out of the country if I choose to.

Also, living three hours from the border makes it much easier to flee! :evilgrin:\
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:38 PM
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13. Is this why Don closed bases? Why did anyone complain about
the loss of jobs.

They're going to establish a new prison economy.

Changing our reality.

From the document referenced above:

1–1. Purpose
This regulation provides Army policy and guidance for establishing
civilian inmate labor programs and civilian prison camps on Army
installations. Sources of civilian inmate labor are limited to on and
off-post Federal corrections facilities, State/local corrections facilities
operating from on-post prison camps pursuant to leases under
section 2667, title 10, United States Code (10 USC 2667), and offpost
State corrections facilities participating in the demonstration
project authorized under Public Law (PL) 103-337, Section 1065.
Otherwise, State/local inmate labor from off-post corrections facilities
is currently excluded from this program.

http://www.global-conspiracies.com/inmate_labor_program.pdf

Go down to about page 5 to see a flow chart.

Step-by-step.

Does this sounds like peenack and the barons??

And as I write this - I'm listening to a rerun of the Katrina hearing.
Levin is asking Nagin about the 5300 that are still missing.

There must be some DUers who know about construction, fences, roads,
permits?
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:51 PM
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25. Doesn't this say that the "civilian inmate labor" must come from
Federal prisons?
Am I not reading this correctly?
(Not that I DON'T think Bushco would hesitate to round up dissenters!)
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:28 PM
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30. This is probably subterfuge to get is set up.I've been trying to think
through this.

If they wrote this all up to make it look legit and it has existed for years, but the camps are empty, it means they are preparing for something, but they really don't have any legit work for prisoners presently? But, they could have some work, for example, if we were bombed and they had to haul bodies and go through an identity and burial process - for example? Why not get the prisoners to lift and write or whatever?

HOWEVER - based on the smoke and mirrors we're witnessing with NSA, the use of the military to spy, and the port ownership switches, all they would have to do is declare a change in their use since the barons and peenackers want George to be Commander-In-Chief of the nation, not just the military?

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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:40 PM
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14. This is why they have to steal money? Congress is side-stepped.
SS SS SS SS SS SS

Do you know what this means for your children?
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:42 PM
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15. Then they best begin in the WH, Congress, Fox News, and
so many others who aid and albeit these criminals.

How arrogant of them!
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:01 PM
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16. Glad to see this is finally making the rounds (5 years after it all
started). Spooky stuff!
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oscarguy Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:05 PM
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17. Sounds a lot Like Hitler to me. W`s namesake big Nazi Supporter...
Edited on Tue Feb-21-06 01:08 PM by oscarguy
His name is George Walker and he and His son in law Prescott Bush Sr., George the first`s father and the current President`s Grandfather had a very lot to do with the rise of Hitler. This support began in the early 1920`s at lasted to well after our entry into WWII. For this story simply type in < bush+hitler > in a google search and take your pick from the thousands of websites that discuss it. ...Oscar
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oscarguy Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:21 PM
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21. Link to Hitler/Bush/Walker familys` ties can be found here...
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 10:12 AM
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57. and are American Jews speaking out against this?
I don't have any information to whether Jews with
their past mired in the memories of the Holocaust
are now speaking out about the many Arabs in this
country who have been secreted away to these
secret detention centers, Gitmo and prisons throughout
the world through extraordinary rendition.

I hope they aren't holding their peace now. All
good Americans should not tolerate any of this.
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:07 PM
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18. I actually Heard this uttered from this bastard's mouth during the hearing
i thought everyone else did too...
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:07 PM
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19. I think Jack Cafferty needs to see this; he's outraged about
bus drivers ratting on what they see, this should provide food for thought.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:26 PM
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22. What the hell can you say to that?
Edited on Tue Feb-21-06 01:27 PM by Solly Mack
"It's wrong" ain't quite strong enough. That's something is criminal doesn't much matter these days. As the law is whatever Bush says it is.

Goes without saying that "disloyal American" can mean anything and anyone the powers that be get a case of the ass about - or maybe they just want your property - or your business - or your bank account - maybe they just want you out of the way. (hmm...)

It doesn't really need a meaning though, does it? It's not like defining "disloyal American" will save you from being detained, questioned or disappeared. All someone has to do is accuse you - for whatever reasons they have...

Damn













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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:30 PM
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23. This is nothing less than...
...a not so subtle shot across the bow of all political dissenters, protesters and challengers of any stripe,and these people clearly intend to make good on this threat. Bad times coming.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 02:19 PM
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27. They want to scare you into silence!
They can't have people telling the truth about them! They know the public would run them out of Washington forever if the truth comes out about their dirty deeds. COWARDS is what they are.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 02:25 PM
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29. Agreed.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 03:22 PM
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52. I consider myself a non-violent member of the Fifth Column
and have since October, 2001.

What made me a fifth columnist? Well, let's see. The Taliban told us they would hand over Osama if we only let them see the evidence against him. The U.S. refused to provide that evidence. Colin Powell promised to release a dossier later that detailed the evidence, but to the best of my knowlege, that dossier was never released.

Consider if the situation were reversed. Let's say the Taliban had accused you of committing monstrous crimes against the Afghan people and demanded that the U.S. government turn you over. Wouldn't you expect the U.S. government to ask to see the evidence before turning you over?

That fundamental principle of Kantian ethical reciprocity (that a law we hold others to should be universal) was ignored in the weeks and months following 9/11. And the U.S., in my opinion, relied upon the good feeling of the world to allow it to not satisfy even the most minimal of evidentiary protocols.

Result: we bombed an incredibly poor country with "few military targets" and re-installed war-lordism and opium production. I started demonstrating in October, 2001 and haven't stopped since.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:59 PM
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26. Oh, great. Graham is a bum, I thought so since Impeachment. Fuck him.
There is NO Fifth column in the US. Are these people fucking insane?

I'm stunned.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 02:21 PM
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28. Someone should ask him who he is talking about!
They are trying to spook anyone who don't go along with their insanity!
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 04:18 AM
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42. Well, what is his Senate phone number?
We should all call his office and ask what the hell he is talking about!
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schrodingers_cat Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 09:38 PM
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33. a 'supposing it were so' question....
What they hell would they do with New York, Los Angeles, and San Francisco? Not to mention the other cities that are predominantly 'left'? $385 Million wouldn't build near enough cages to hold 9/10 of a major american city's population.....they would no doubt be ghost towns if this came to pass......
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:04 PM
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34. 100% terrifying--but one small question about PSYOPS...
Does this actually mean Psychological Operations, or does it just look like it does?
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 07:28 AM
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45. PSYOPS=psychological operations
as far as military acronyms go(I was with 4th PSYOPS GP commanding HQ).
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newswolf56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 11:50 PM
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36. More ammunition to permanently discredit those who keep insisting...
the Bush Regime is nothing more than a bad patch in the road of American politics as usual. In truth we are facing a threat unlike anything we have ever faced, and the fact the American public remains so stubbornly asheep -- polls are one thing, organized opposition is quite another -- is a major part of why the problem is without precedent.

:kick: K/R: and thank you for posting the information and the link.
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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 11:55 PM
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37. kick
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 01:12 AM
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38. Has anyone considered the link between these camps and the FEMA
crisis--if our conclusions are correct, it makes total sense that Bush would appoint a crony to FEMA and that FEMA would purposely drop the ball on Katrina--I think the idea was the bring more attention to FEMA, ultimately have them cleared of fault and thus 1) legitimize the agency completely and 2) make FEMA a household name, easier to propagandize the population if we don't have to look things up for ourselves...

Since FEMA is speculated to be a major part of the coming police state, this makes sense to me.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 04:46 AM
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43. It also looks as if they're hoping to lead the country into a new Dark Age
It looks even moreso considering the unbelievable problems they've created for American childrens' future education, and the horrendous destruction of financial aid to college kids from poorer homes.

Also, they'll be increasing the level of deliberate disinformation we'll be handed as "news." From the article:
Similar to the distinction the Pentagon draws between “collecting” and “receiving” intelligence on U.S. citizens, the Information Operations Roadmap argues that as long as the American public is not intentionally “targeted,” any PSYOP propaganda consumed by the American public is acceptable.

The Pentagon plan also includes a strategy for taking over the Internet and controlling the flow of information, viewing the Web as a potential military adversary. The “roadmap” speaks of “fighting the net,” and implies that the Internet is the equivalent of “an enemy weapons system.”

In a speech on Feb. 17 to the Council on Foreign Relations, Rumsfeld elaborated on the administration’s perception that the battle over information would be a crucial front in the War on Terror, or as Rumsfeld calls it, the Long War.

“Let there be no doubt, the longer it takes to put a strategic communication framework into place, the more we can be certain that the vacuum will be filled by the enemy and by news informers that most assuredly will not paint an accurate picture of what is actually taking place,” Rumsfeld said.
(snip/...)
They'll try to make real information almost impossible to find, and flood the country with manipulative, devisive, polarizing crap, to keep racists and over-stimulated, religious idealogues at war with everyone else. I hope to god their schemes will NOT be successful.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 07:04 AM
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44. "They'll try to make real information almost impossible to find"
Just like the Nazis did it!
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 12:05 PM
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47. It just keeps getting weirder & weirder & weirder

And, more terrifying.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 02:31 PM
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49. I was thinking the same thing...
should any of us even be posting any more? :scared:
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combat rock Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:12 PM
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56. Never!
The second you start to fear is the second they have won! If you feel strongly enough, speak out. If the evidence is there, believe it. Do not cower in fear when the enemy has the upper-hand because that is the moment you are defeated!

(hopefully that inspired some to keep posting, speaking out against this regime of terror.)

Should they take just one of us without reason, all must stand up at once and organize against them. I am no enemy by questioning their excuses (lies) and this is exactly what you should feel at this time - that you are no enemy of humanity, or even the government - you are an ally of the people!
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 12:10 PM
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58. I can't seem to keep my big mouth shut...
even though I feel the fear, I do it anyway! LOL!

Thanks for the pep talk and Welcome to DU! :hi:
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:36 PM
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55. When was it too late for the Germans to get out?
How would we know that point in this process here?

I can't tell. It seems to be happening slowly, but then again, things have chaged a lot in 5 years.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 12:12 PM
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59. I got dibs on the top bunk!
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60. kick
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