Whatever happened to survivalist and militia groups?

remember they were all the rage before 2000, what with Oklahoma City and all that, and they would pop up in a news story once in a while...you know, how law enforcement was concerned about them in the woods, and weapons training, and all that stuff?

whatever happened to them? did they fall off the edge of the world or something? I haven't seen ANY news about them since Bush II was selected.

anyone?

what does this mean, exactly?

I'm talking about the survivalists, like those guys at Ruby Ridge, at odds with the ATF and hating Janet Reno like they were born hating her.
Guys who refused to pay taxes and hid out on public lands, who formed quasiillegal bands of gun-totingsurvivalists.

I don't think those are the same people in the National Guard.

They finally got to kill people that don't look like them. They are happy now.

our local national guardsmen and women here in Ohio are normal citizens, not the survivalist or militia types.
They are mothers and fathers and have traditionally, at least before Bush, been of great assistance in times of trouble.

Not sure where you're coming from, but in opinion, you're completely off base.

I also don't doubt your not recognizing there is a certain element of dark humor in the possibility of neonazi skinhead white supremicists supporting Bush's war.

I always thought it odd that we were using our guard over there.. Jesus, I think too much..

The Mormons have the right idea, a Years supply of food and necessities stored away in a safe place.

Do you trust this administration to come rescue you?

working as policy advisors.

that's what I'm trying to get at here. Under Clinton, they were hunted and prosecuted. Under Bush, its like they didn't exist. They can't have just disappeared. Were they absorbed into private contractors a mercenary groups? If so, are these the guys like Black Water Mercs being used by Bushco?

That would translate directly to, "Direct the FBI to begin ignoring this."

They're happy as pigs in shit these days!

To a group of coworkers. I encouraged them to store drinking water and non-perishable foods, and to be aware of how to shut off their home's water, gas, and electricity.

I don't know if that qualifies me as a "survivalist", but I won't be one of the poor saps who end up drinking the water out of their toilet tanks after the Big One hits.

:D

And, by the way, if the Big One hits, all the utilities are likely to turn themselves off.

Mine certainly would, as my house is less than seven miles from the inner ring of the Pentagon.

:nuke:

If the water supply pipes within your house are damaged, you will have a flood unless you shut off the supply.

If the electrical feed to your house develops a ground fault somewhere upstream as a result of the shaking, you may experience elevated voltage. Or damaged wiring within your house could trigger a fire.

And, by the way, if the Big One hits, all the utilities are likely to turn themselves off.

Yes, they are supposed to automatically shut themselves down but why count on someone else to protect you when it is so simple to take your own safety precautions?

It's likely that the National Guard is going to come to your home with food and water soon, but can you really depend on them showing up exactly when you want them?

anything you'd call Xian. Many didn't even call themselves Xian.

They weren't a big deal, except in the minds of some people. Mostly fairly harmless, unless riled. Odd beliefs and attitudes, but they hurt few. They were also a sort of trendy movement in some circles; trends fade.

McVeigh, of course, being an odd counterexample that's not a counterexample. He was mostly a loner. But he gave all militias/survivalists a bad name, somehow.

As a result, the survivalist groups went to silent running. Just as after 9/11, Arabs and Muslims were bashed, so after OK City, fundamentalist Xians and survivalists were bashed. But nobody defended them.

I suspect some are still around.

Hell, one group pulled off the biggest armored car heist in US history. Of course, they got caught, but that it was happens when you leave a registered handgun at the scene of the crime. Also, there were that husband and wife team in Texas I think, that were going to bomb a stadium, they had thousands of pounds of explosives in a storage locker, and that was only a few years ago, AFTER 9/11. They had ties to many militia and racist hate groups. Occasionally the militia groups will kill a deputy or highway patrol officer in various places in the northwest also.

Or the fuckwits in California who planned to blow up a natural gas storage facility...or that imbecile Krar in Texas with his cyanide bomb....or the Army of God, still merrily threatening womens' health facilities....or Eric Rudolph....

The Entire State of Idaho

Yee Haw!

They are among us - and have decided that internet porno ain't such a bad thing after all.

The rest are living trailers in Fresno, California.

Hey, you shore do have a purdy mouf.

John Birch Society 'Minutemen' in the news. That was in the '60s.
I did a search at this site that tracks various far right groups and came up with a few things.
http://www.publiceye.org/index.html

The rhetoric of the contemporary minutemen and people like Alex Jones are the same.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

You can be sure. They are just good at maintaining a low profile, they hate the govt and that extends to the military in most cases.

I must have laughed about 10 times reading through the responses. Good work folks!

PS. I had been wondering the same question as the OP. Since they were anti goverment, I would have a hard time believing they were in the military.

Intelligence Reporter from the SPLC, and you will be updated.

of society so they can take over:)..and sittin' back watching the YOO ESS AAAY on the Olympics:)

The movement basically fizzled on a broad scale after so many gun-totin' imbeciles got fleeced by sharpies selling them freeze dried ice cream and the like to "save" them from Y2K....but the hardcore shitheads are still around.

A lot of them are involved in the racist "Minuteman" project.

and live and celebrate among the GOP and freepers.

revolution is never bred on a full stomach

Check out the United Survivalists Ring which is more Gaia than guns. MSNBC credits some growth in these back to safe nature groups to 9/11 without wondering what the bloodlust individualists are doing these days. But no one is looking for Osama very hard either. Just the running rabbits.

And it does seem prorpaganda purposeful to concetrate on citizen's fear rather than defanging fear causers.

.... that is a good question. Fad, trend? In any case, the need to adopt the survivalists' attitude could never be greater.

I don't mean building a cement bunker and buying a bunch of grenades. But I do mean:

1) having some food and water in reserve
2) having basic supplies, tools, first aid, etc on hand
3) having contingency plans for various eventualities, such as natural disaster or attack

Personally, I don't think America has lived in a more dangerous time since at least the Great Depression or possibly the Civil War.