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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 01:20 PM
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"Everyone thought..." "It's the CIA's fault..." OH REALLY?
Edited on Wed Jan-04-06 01:22 PM by LynnTheDem
Gee that's strange, coz the following was all public knowledge BEFORE bush's illegal invasion & occupation of a sovereign nation that had done nothing whatsoever to anyone;

"Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land."
-President GHW Bush, 1998;
http://www.rense.com/general43/quote.htm

Brent Scowcroft, one of the Republican Party’s most respected foreign policy advisors;
"Don't Attack Saddam. It would undermine our antiterror efforts. There is scant evidence to tie Saddam to terrorist organizations, and even less to the Sept. 11 attacks."
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110002133

CIA to Bush: 'No clear Evidence of WMD'
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/120103A.shtml

Why the CIA thinks Bush is wrong
The president says the US has to act now against Iraq. The trouble is, his own security services don't agree.
http://www.sundayherald.com/28384

CIA in blow to Bush attack plans
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,808970,00.html

White House 'exaggerating Iraqi threat'
Bush's televised address attacked by US intelligence

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,807286,00.html

"Do we really want to occupy Iraq for the next 30 years? …In Japan, American occupation forces quickly became 50,000 friends. In Iraq, they would quickly become 50,000 terrorist targets…. Nations such as China can only view the prospect of an American military consumed for the next generation by the turmoil of the Middle East as a glorious windfall."
-James Webb, former Sec. of Navy under Ronald Reagan, Decorated Marine Veteran
http://www.sftt.org/article09302002a.html

"We are about to do something that will ignite a fuse in this region that we will rue the day we ever started."
-Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, former Head of Central Command for U.S.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/10/17/zinni

"A billion bitter enemies will rise out of this war."
- Wall Street Journal, January 13, 2003, Full page ad in Wall Street Journal by major GOP contributors
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/001444.html

"Right now, the course we're on, we're achieving Bin Laden's ends…. I've never seen it so bad between the office of the secretary of defense and the military. There's a significant majority believing this is a disaster.

The two parties whose interests have been advanced have been the Iranians and al-Qaeda. Bin Laden could argue with some cogency that our going into Iraq was the equivalent of the Germans in Stalingrad. They defeated themselves by pouring more in there. Tragic."
-Gen. William Odom, former head of the National Security Agency
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091704Y.shtml

"The idea that this is going to go the way these guys planned is ludicrous. There are no good options."
-General Joseph Hoare, the former marine commandant and head of US Central Command
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091704Y.shtml

"To my knowledge, I have not seen any strong, hard evidence that links the two."
-Rumsfeld, Monday, October 4, 2004
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,10975887-1702,00.html

BBC NEWS | Americas | Bush rejects Saddam 9/11 link
US President George Bush has said there is no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in the 11 September attacks.

"We have no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the 11 September attacks," Mr Bush told reporters as he met members of Congress on energy legislation.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3118262.stm

Sky News (London): "One question for you both. Do you believe that there is a link between Saddam Hussein, a direct link, and the men who attacked on September the 11th?"

Bush: "I can't make that claim.'
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030131-23.html

Sept 17, 2003- Bush: No evidence Saddam Hussein involved in Nine-Eleven attacks
http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1447698

Sept 16, 2003- Rice: U.S. Never Said Saddam Was Behind 9/11
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/983821/posts

Sept 16, 2003- Rumsfeld sees no link between Saddam Hussein, 9/11
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-09-16-rumsfeld-iraq-911_x.htm

Aug 6, 2003- Wolfowitz: Iraq Was Not Involved In 9-11 Terrorist Attacks, No Ties To Al-Qaeda
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4372.htm

UN Panel Reports No al-Qaida-Iraq Ties
http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/news/breaking_news/6176302.htm

Leaked Report Rejects Link Claims
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2727471.stm

Newly Declassified Intelligence Documents on Iraq-al Qaeda Relationship
Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., today released documents recently declassified at his request that illustrate that some claims of a cooperative relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda made by top administration officials in support of the Iraq war were contrary to what U.S. intelligence officials believed to be true.
http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/release.cfm?id=236440

Sources: U.S. distorted Saddam-al Qaeda link - Senior U.S. officials now say there never was any evidence that Saddam's secular police state and Osama bin Laden's Islamic terrorism network were in league.
https://registration.dfw.com/reg/login.do?url=http://www.dfw.com%2Fmld%2Fdfw%2Fnews%2F8094015.htm

Spanish intelligence service says no link between Saddam and Al Qaeda: report
Spain's counter-espionage service believes there is no link between toppled Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein and the extremist Al Qaeda network, national media has reported. - The head of the National Intelligence Centre, Jorge Dezcaller, added that Al Qaeda had even accused Saddam of not respecting the principles of Islam,
http://www.thedailystar.net/2003/09/06/

The Next Debate: Al Qaeda Link
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60616FE3A580C738EDDAE0894DB404482

Allies Find No Links Between Iraq, Al Qaeda
"What I'm asked is if I've seen any evidence of that. (Iraq links to al Qaeda) And the answer is: I haven't.” -British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, who supports U.S. invasion & occupation of Iraq.
http://www.latimes.com/la-fg-noqaeda4nov04,0,4538810.story

British Intelligence agencies, MI6 and MI5
A dossier prepared by the two agencies “showed no discernible links between Iraq and al-Qaida,”
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=375403

Richard Kerr, a former deputy CIA director who lead an internal review of the CIA's prewar intelligence;
“the CIA has not found any proof of operational ties between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's regime.”
http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?pid=800

The White House’s own publication, A Decade of Defiance and Deception, makes no mention of Osama bin Laden or al Qaeda.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect5.html

The 2002 congressional joint intelligence committee’s report on the Sept. 11 attacks revealed that the Bush administration had no evidence to support its claim that Saddam’s government was supporting al-Qaeda.
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030723-064812-9491r

No proof links Iraq, al-Qaida, Colin Powell says
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ID/3909150

According to a "top secret British document", quoted by the BBC "there is nothing but enmity between Iraq and Al Qaeda." The BBC said the leak came from intelligence officials upset that their work was being used to justify war." (quoted in Daily News, New York, 6 February 2003).
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO303D.html

Iraq-al Qaeda links weak, say former Bush officials

Three former Bush administration officials who worked on intelligence and national security issues have told National Journal that the prewar evidence tying al Qaeda to Iraq was tenuous, exaggerated, and often at odds with the conclusions of key intelligence agencies.
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0803/080803nj2.htm

Split at C.I.A. and F.B.I. On Iraqi Ties to Al Qaeda

"…analysts at the Central Intelligence Agency have complained that senior administration officials have exaggerated the significance of some intelligence reports about Iraq, particularly about its possible links to terrorism, in order to strengthen their political argument for war, government officials said."

and…

"At the Federal Bureau of Investigation, some investigators said they were baffled by the Bush administration's insistence on a solid link between Iraq and Osama bin Laden|s network. "We've been looking at this hard for more than a year and you know what, we just don't think it's there," a government official said."
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F70D1EF83E5C0C718CDDAB0894DB404482

This is consistent with what they were saying back in October 2002.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A14056-2002Oct24

"There's absolutely no evidence that Iraq was supporting al Qaeda, ever."
-Richard Clarke, former terrorism chief under bush.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/60minutes/main607356.shtml

Iraq-al Qaeda ties have not been found

Bush administration hyped sketchy and false evidence to push for war
The Bush administration’s claim that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein had ties to al Qaeda — one of the administration’s central arguments for a pre-emptive war — appears to have been based on even less solid intelligence than the administration’s claims that Iraq had hidden stocks of chemical and biological weapons.

Nearly a year after U.S. and British troops invaded Iraq, no evidence has turned up to verify allegations of Saddam’s links with al Qaeda, and several key parts of the administration’s case have either proved false or seem increasingly doubtful.
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/2004/03/04/news/nation/8101079.htm

Iraq and al Qaeda: What Evidence?
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=23816

bush's own hand-picked Republican weapons hunter ISG, Dr. David Kay;

David Kay was on the ground for months investigating the activities of Hussein's regime. He concluded "But we simply did not find any evidence of extensive links with Al Qaeda, or for that matter any real links at all."

He called a speech where Cheney made the claim there was a link, as being "evidence free."
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2004/06/16/bush_backs_cheney_on_assertion_linking_hussein_al_qaeda/

Israeli intelligence (the Moussad)

“According to Israeli intelligence, Palestinians are still not connected to the global terror network, and neither is Iraq.”
http://www.haaretz.com /

bush's second and final hand-picked Republican weapons hunter ISG, Dr. Charles Dueffler;

Report: No WMD stockpiles in Iraq, no capability since 1991, no evidence of ties to al Qaeda, no serious threat;
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/10/06/1096949583023.html?from=storylhs

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/report/2004/isg-final-report/

OFFICIAL VERDICT: WHITE HOUSE MISLED WORLD OVER SADDAM-AL QAEDA TIES (no, actually, only AMERICANS were ever dumb enough to think Iraq did 911)
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0617-03.htm

No evidence of Iraq-Al Qaeda ties: 9/11 commission
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/06/cheney.911

"CIA Review Finds No Evidence Saddam Had Ties to Islamic Terrorists"
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1005-01.htm

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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 01:22 PM
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1. A phrase comes to mind, what is it? Oh yeah - "FLIP FLOP!!"
:puke:

Thank you for posting all these quotes, and for providing links!
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 01:22 PM
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2. N-I-I-I-C-C-E-E!!
Great collection - send this to Dr. Dean or Keith Olbermann.
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 01:32 PM
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3. Thanks. Nominated and KICKED! n/t
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 02:08 PM
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4. Very nice compliation, K & R
and bookmarked. Thanks.
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kiteinthewind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 02:20 PM
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5. Great Job!!
:headbang:
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 02:23 PM
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6. Amazing job!
reco'd
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EwokMyWeewok Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 02:34 PM
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7. O rly? nt
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 02:34 PM
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8. And now they're doing it again with Iran. The best intelligence says
Iran is many years away from a nuclear bomb. For example, see these links:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1983449&mesg_id=1984089

But the Bushies and their RW Likud co-conspirators are moving toward a pre-emptive attack and spinning tales of mushroom clouds all over again. And what a coincidence! :sarcasm: Iran's planned Euro-based oil bourse is scheduled to open in a few months...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5650584&mesg_id=5651316

K & R - thanks for compiling this. Now we have to it from happening again, and even worse.
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 02:36 PM
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9. excellent, excellent
most grateful here.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 02:47 PM
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10. Why did I know that Bush meant war?
I'm not the cia. How did I know that one day after the election, America was guaranteed a war? I knew. My 80 year old dad knew. My friends knew. So how did we know? There did not need to be any intelligence for this administration to find a war. When those in power have friends who operate ammunition factories and oil companies, war is guaranteed. It's what makes them money. What more intelligence does one need?

And then there's your links.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 02:48 PM
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11. I know the effort it takes to compile this info
Thanks!

Kicked.
Recommended.
Boookmarked.

Nicely done!
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 03:05 PM
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12. A few more for the collection
"Is there any confirmed evidence of Iraq's links to terrorism? No."
Vince Cannistraro (Former head of the CIA's counterterrorism office)
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=vincent_cannistraro

Bush twists facts to fit, analysts say
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/10/09/1034061257034.html

“Basically, cooked information is working its way into high-level pronouncements and there's a lot of unhappiness about it in intelligence, especially among analysts at the CIA.”
Vince Cannistraro (Former head of the CIA's counterterrorism office)
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/10/09/1034061257034.html


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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 05:18 PM
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13. Bravo, Lynn; another excellent, fact-filled post! You
help elevate the minds here, and I'm grateful. :yourock:
Oh, and bookmarked!
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Stockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 05:19 PM
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14. Well done as usual.
recommended
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 07:11 PM
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15. They sure like to trot that CIA's-fault horse out a lot, don't they?
Kicked and recommended!
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 07:51 PM
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16. Thanks.... I need to print this out for a relative who still imbibes
the kool aid.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:54 AM
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17. great work, as usual.
You should post these to an issues forum. Maybe call it the "LynnTheDem's Mythbuster Series". :-) This should be a permanent feature on DU.

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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 04:37 PM
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25. LOL!
Thanks! :hug:
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:37 AM
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18. How about a cross-post in the Research section?
Your usual high standard. Thanks.
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:52 AM
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19. What a great resource - REC'd for greatest.
Just last night O'Lielly yet again tried fraudulently to put the blame on the CIA, when we all know it was cherry-picked BS from Chalabi & the DIA that got us into this mess.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:55 AM
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20. One stop shopping.
Excellent work.

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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:08 AM
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21. Good compliation. nt
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:44 AM
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22. Kick n/t
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:22 AM
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23. This deserves a kick.
As well as some more recs for greatest.
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:23 PM
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24. What a handy-dandy page to eMail to wingnuts!
Thanks, Lynn!
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