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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 12:43 PM
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U.S. TO ALLOW EXECUTIONS AT GUANTANAMO
US to extend military executions rules to Guantanamo Bay
By North America correspondent Michael Rowland

The US military is clearing the way for executions of condemned terror suspects to take place at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility.

The army has just changed the rules governing the location of military executions.

The new regulations are primarily aimed at service personnel sentenced to death at a military court martial.

Previously executions could only take place at a military jail in Kansas but now death sentences can be carried out anywhere, including the Guantanamo Bay naval base in Cuba.

The army has confirmed the new rules will also apply to any Guantanamo detainee sentenced to death at a specially convened military tribunal.

The move worries anti-death penalty campaigner David Elliot.

"The death penalty should not work in a sequestered manner where the public can not see what's happening," he said.

None of the 10 terror suspects charged with war crimes, including South Australian David Hicks, are facing the death penalty, although it could be sought in future cases.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200601/s1554541.htm
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 12:44 PM
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1. Before or after their trial? This is getting
scary ridiculous.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 12:46 PM
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2. Hell, why bother with a trial at all?
They're brown people, aren't they? That's reason enough to kill them, isn't it?
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 10:06 PM
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33. as evidence of what is happening in Iraq
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Radio_Guy Donating Member (875 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 11:02 AM
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29. Try "instead of"
The military tribunals will be a kangaroo court where innocent people will be executed without the benefit of a fair and open trial.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 12:50 PM
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3. Alberto Gonzalez at work again...
No oversight...they can make their own rules....etc...

If they follow through with this...our soldiers will be in peril if they are ever captured....

Just when you think they can't make any more irresponsible decisions......
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 12:52 PM
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4. Any American captured will be in peril
Recommend
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 12:53 PM
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5. Is it Gulag yet? n/t
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 12:54 PM
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6. I am glad you used word "gulag". Seems comparison to Soviets is more apt
then Nazis, IMO.

Helps highlight cronyism and corruption and incompetence.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 12:55 PM
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7. Executions of condemned terror suspects
Edited on Wed Mar-01-06 12:55 PM by dogday
What is wrong with this sentence?

The US military is clearing the way for executions of condemned terror suspects to take place at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility.

Executions of condemned terror SUSPECTS

Not convicted terrorist but suspects.....
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 12:56 PM
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8. Dead men tell no tales
Now that the UN and the UK among other allies are condemning the camp and demanding it's shut down they've decided to just empty it out this way instead.

I think I've reached my saturation point where even this evil does not surprise me. :cry:
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 12:58 PM
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10. Soon, it will be known as the Guantanemo Death Camp
The Cons will screech to high heaven with outrage, but that's how it's going to be labelled.

:(
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 12:56 PM
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9. Indication that Osama is about to be "captured"? n/t
n/t
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 01:18 PM
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14. you're serious, aren't you?
why capture the boogey man? he's needed to pull chimpy's fat out of the fryer when it gets too hot.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 07:16 PM
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21. Serious question, but just a question. n/t
n/t
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 02:35 AM
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26. How does one kill a dead man?
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 10:46 AM
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28. Got proof? n/t
n/t
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 09:26 PM
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31. Do you have proof that he is alive?
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 12:19 AM
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34. Yes, by the fact that nobody in the Muslim world is acting like...
he's dead.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 12:54 AM
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35. Fact?
Who and how was it established that nobody in the Muslim world has been acting like he's dead?
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 12:59 PM
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11. One should not have to be an opponent of the death penalty to be alarmed
This is about the due process that these "suspects" are being denied. It doesn't matter what sentence any defendant receives; if he is tried before one of Bush's kangaroo courts without being able to challenge the evidence against him (which may be classified) or witnesses or present witnesses on his own behalf, then it is a violation of the defendant's human rights.

There are more war crimes and crimes against humanity taking place in the so-called war on terror than what took place on September 11; Osama is not responsible for all of them.

Bush and his aides cannot be trusted to tell us the truth about why we go to war. As governor of Texas, Bush demonstrated that he has a very low bar about what constitutes a fair trail. This man is not to be trusted with justice and human rights.

If any detainee at Guantánamo is sentenced to even a day in a county jail by one of Mr. Bush's courts, it is only one more charge which should be brought against Mr. Bush and other members of his regime in a special tribunal for war crimes in Iraq and crimes against humanity arising out of the so-called war on terror.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 01:07 PM
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13. Even if they are found to be 'innocent', they are still detained though
There was a piece on 60 Minutes (iirc) about the tribunals. Even prisoners who are found innocent are still held under the status of enemy combatants. And, (again iirc), "enemy combatants" status doesn't get a trial...It's simply re-labelling POW. Problem is, Congress didn't officially declare war so that can't have 'prisoners of war'. Crazy shit.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 01:21 PM
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18. Exactly
Edited on Wed Mar-01-06 01:21 PM by Jack Rabbit
The defendant is found innocent, yet will still be detained because he is presumed guilty. You're right: why have a trial?

One can look up any body of international law and fail to find the term "enemy combatant" or "illegal combatant" or any other such term. The Third Geneva Convention states that a detainee is a prisoner of war until a competent court determines otherwise. Even barring that, the Third and Fourth Geneva Conventions outline what can and can't be done with prisoners or those detainees who are not prisoners of war. Mr. Bush's courts, as constituted, are in violation of international agreements to which the US has long been proud to be a party.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 01:02 PM
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12. So do they have the big oven built yet?
And the buses with the tricky exhaust piping?

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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 01:19 PM
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15. The Only difference between America today and Nazi Germany is scale...
And we'll catch up with that, hell we are ahead of the original Nazi schedule to being with!
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 01:19 PM
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16. Man have we got some serious creeps in our govt. Sickening.
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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 01:20 PM
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17. It is high time we start calling the "detention centers" by their real
name:

CONCENTRATION CAMPS.

------------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 01:52 PM
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19. Will they be using the ovens? n/t
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 12:59 AM
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36. Won't need ovens
Just take em out and feed em to the sharks.

Way to go Rummy! Just when I thought we couldn't sink the American image any deeper into the sewer, you find a deeper channel.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 01:57 PM
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20. My guess is that there isn't a single person in that place guilty
of anything except being Muslim.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 01:12 AM
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22. Covering their tracks.
They need to get rid of the evidence to their crimes against humanity. If these people are guilty, why not put them on trial and prove the case? How can we, as a supposedly democratic nation, make informed decisions and understand the so-called face of terrorism? How does this help us understand the war on terror?

It is all one big lie. The DPW deal proves this. The Katrina debacle proves this. This administration is using ignorant dirt farmers and small time hoodlums to stand in for the real Al Qaeda - those people cutting billion dollar deals to sell heroin and arm people against one another. Those terrorists where business suits and flag\pins in their lapels. Obviously, they have reached an end-of-life situation and are starting to outlive their usefulness as props. But they can't very well release them so they can tell their story to a public that will be outraged by these barbarous acts....so they'll kill them and bury the truth along with the bodies.

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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 01:16 AM
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23. There was speculation years ago this was taking place there....
or was going to take place there.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 01:18 AM
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24. I will bet everyone here that they have already executed people there,
in addition to torture. Someday we will learn the truth and come to know true angst.


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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 02:16 AM
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25. The Gitmo Death Camp.
I am convinced that America is now a Neo Fascist Nation.

American Detention Camps are almost ready for occupants.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 02:40 AM
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27. They're not even giving the majority a trial, much less charging them with
a crime, and now they want to hold executions there? And this ISN'T suppose to raise an eyebrow?

Bottom line, they're saying they need more places to execute people, including places that don't fall under American law. Interesting.
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 11:11 AM
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30. The International Community will fall in love with this story...
:eyes:
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 10:02 PM
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32. Does it matter?
I mean we have no clear idea who and how many are there at G'tmo. Any of the unlisted could be executed and they would just disappear.

-Hoot
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 01:26 AM
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37. This is American Justice...
scary scary stuff...
this is the stuff that brought down kings...
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