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From: since62--Jan-3 9:16 pm
To: ALL--(1 of 120)
151870.1
You want to grant the Bill of Rights to terrorists who would love nothing more than to three peat 9/11
Yet thousands of babies are killed every day by Abortion and Partial Birth Abortion....
Are the children of American's not entitled tot he Bill of Rights?
Here is my response:
From:--trollsbitehard (ME)--Jan-4 1:55 am
To:--since62--(9 of 120)
151870.9 in reply to 151870.1
<rolls eyes>
Here's your answer, Freeptard:
The rights protected in the Constitution are HUMAN rights, as the founders intended. They apply to everyone. And exactly why do you hate America, so much? Why are you saying our rights are not for everyone, only people you think they should be? Are you so afraid of a fair, public trial? Who else would you deny these rights too? G.a.y men who caught performing a lewd act in public? American criminals?
The 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th Amendments apply to anyone in the country. Terrorist, illegal alien, whatever. They will apply to President Weak and Stupid when he is brought up on impeachment charges for violating the 4th amendment, obstruction of justice and treason in the CIA case.
Sorry, Freeptard. . .until a Fetus is legally recognized as a person (as it is in the third trimester), you have zero idea of what you're talking about. I got my Bachelor's Degree in this topic and will be working on a PhD in Political Science (after I finish my Masters of Educational Leadership). . .but I guess I'm just an over-educated liberal elitist, right?
A fetus has no legal standing in a court of law. . .a terrorist does. That's why. So, again, why do you hate America? How long have you thought American freedoms are meaningless and subjective? And how long has it been since the lobotomy you had?
That Freeper shut up and another one popped up: From there, it descended into this:
From:--jumpy69---Jan-4 9:17 am
To:--trollsbitehard--(12 of 120)
151870.12 in reply to 151870.9
"The 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th Amendments apply to anyone in the country. Terrorist, illegal alien, whatever."
I believe Abraham Lincoln, our greatest president who freed the slaves and preserved our Union, said it best when he suspended the Writ of Habeus Corpus; "The Constitution is NOT a suicide pact."
You really would give Constitutional protections to terrorists?
In which I responded:
From:---trollsbitehard---Jan-4 11:27 am
To:---jumpy69--(47 of 120)
151870.47 in reply to 151870.12
The rights would apply because they are human rights, not American rights. Denying human rights would completely validate every Arab attitude about us.
You want to blow the Arab attutide of the Great Satan out of the water to win "hearts and minds." I lost in family in the Twin Towers attacks. I've lost friends in Iraq. I am handicapped and cannot go.
I can't deny the attitude that people are "endowed by their creator" with certain rights, which can be nullified when deemed dangerous. Quote Lincoln. . .the Constitution is absolute. Lincoln was wrong, this now is wrong.
Not to accept his defeat, the idiot tries again:
From:--jumpy69--Jan-4 11:32 am
To:--trollsbitehard--(53 of 120)
151870.53 in reply to 151870.47
My brother and I were in the Twin Towers.
We used to work there.
I lost friends there. My neighbor lost her nephew.
My cousin is in the Middle East now athough he can't say where.
The Constitution is American law for American citizens not terrorists who want to kill us.
In which the obvious response is this:
From:---trollsbitehard---Jan-4 6:50 pm
To:--jumpy69--(117 of 120)
151870.117 in reply to 151870.53
Wrong. . .the rights given are endowed by our creator as natural Human rights.
The theory of government we used to develop our country is directly from Leviathan and the Social Contract. Our bill of rights apply to everyone.
A murderer wants to kill you too. . .An American with a weapon with murder in his/her heart wants to kill you too. . .do the rights apply? Did they apply to Timothy McVeigh or Eric Rudolph or the Unabomber?
They apply to everyone as basic human rights, as dictated by the writings of the founding fathers and the basic political philosophies that were used to found this country.
To pick and choose who those basic human rights go to is unAmerican. Why do you hate American values?
He didn't like being told he hated America or Americans, but all Freepers do. So, in his last line of defense, the idiot says this:
From:--jumpy69---Jan-4 6:59 pm
To:--trollsbitehard--(118 of 120)
151870.118 in reply to 151870.117
Timothy McVeigh or Eric Rudolph or the Unabomber are all Americans.
These terrorists are NOT Americans.
".the rights given are endowed by our creator as natural Human rights"
This is from the Declaration of Independence not the Constitution which is our law. The Declaration is NOT LAW!
Why do you hate America so much that you would aid our enemies?
But, I have had enough. His moronic platitudes were making my head hurt, so I decided to end it all with him:
From:--trollsbitehard--1:17 am
To:--jumpy69---(120 of 120)
151870.120 in reply to 151870.118
Last time. . .our Constitution, through the writings and letters of the founding fathers, as well as the political theory that is the basis of our system of government, states that our freedoms are basic human rights. By virtue of being human, all people are entitled to these rights.
Aid our enemies? Are you calling me a traitor because I am constitutional scholar who is more versed in this than you? The Declaration of Independence was the basis for our rebellion. The Constitution was a our end result, mostly by the same men who wrote the constitution. Federalist Papers dictate what I am saying about basic human rights is true.
If this is something you disagree with, tread very lightly. J.ews weren't considered citizens and were enemies of the state under Nazi Germany, as such they were executed.
Problem is, you have one nugget of knowledge and you pass it off as if you are well versed and learned. You're not.
You have proven you hate America and Americans by stating the Founding Fathers were wrong and our rights, that the founders intended to be for all people by virtue of being people, are subjective to political whim. You hate American freedoms, American values and the founders of the American Way of life. You hate my country with a passion and will subvert the intentions of the founders, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights for your narrow political beliefs. You hate America. This is sad, because America has so much to offer.
You advocate what FDR did to the Japanese in WW2. It was wrong then, it is wrong now.
I give comfort to our enemies? Why, because I want them tried in public before to the death they deserve? Because I want the government to follow the document they are sworn to uphold, not use it as toilet paper? Because I believe that everyone is entitled to a fair trial before a first class hanging?
A fair, impartial trial is an American value. If you don't like it, you hate our country. Representation is an American value. If you don't like it, you hate our country.
If you want totality, I can give you at least 50 countries you can move to. I want these people tried in public, following every legal avenue possible, as a showcase of the righteousness of the American Legal system. What better what to do that then to make sure that these people get the full force of American justice with the rights we believe, and the founders believed were basic human rights. Execute the terrorist upon public conviction. It will delay it about six months to a year. You want your blood lust. I want it too. . .but I want it constitutionally. You want it unilaterally. As such, you hate America. What you want is a mockery of justice and of freedom!
That's the point!
And, since you hate America so much that you hate our freedoms and our founders, I am done talking to you. You are on ignore because Freepers like you aren't worthy of intellectual discussions. You're only worthy of scorn, venom and bile. You are dismissed.
These people are stupid, and it's so easy to debunk their bullshit. Here's the link to the discussion postings:
Title of posting: Libs Make Me Sick. Nice huh?
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