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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:32 AM
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WSJ-c-span--a Prof from CA is explaning his study of media bias.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:32 AM
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1. He explored 20 media outlets--18 were Left to Center.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:33 AM
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2. Research is from Univ. of CA--three year study.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:34 AM
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3. How does he figure that?
They told the truth ... once?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:35 AM
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4. I think I just a clip saying WashTimes was Left leaning (10th)--I think I
saw this. but this can not be!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:36 AM
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6. Tim Groseclose is the Professors name.
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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:36 AM
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5. Drudge is centrist? OMG, this guy is a joke.
Why does C-Span even have this fucker on?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:40 AM
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12. Maxine Waters--most liberal .
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:43 AM
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17. Asshat said Lieberman was a leftist
How far right do you have to be?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:47 AM
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21. Good G-d. He is so biased it's not even funny.
SHAME on C-SPAN! This makes them look VERY bad.
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:37 AM
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7. It's really, really hard
to take this crap seriously.

"Liberal Media" my ass.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:38 AM
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8. This is C-SPAN's resonse to F.A.I.R.'s report on THEM.
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 09:38 AM by in_cog_ni_to
I wonder how long it took them to find this guy? C-SPAN, through my eyes, is losing credibility. 18 out of 20 media outlets are Left of Center? What outlets did he study? I call BULLSHIT where I see BULLSHIT. Anyone with a brain knows the Corporate owned media are RW shills.

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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:39 AM
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9. Brit Hume is centrist too? Who knew? Boot this fucker. n/t
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:42 AM
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15. Brit Hume is a centrist?
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:42 AM
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14. te he. yes perhaps you are right.
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:40 AM
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10. "Our results show a strong liberal bias. "
"All of the news outlets except Fox News’ Special Report and the Washington Times received a score to the left of the average member of Congress."

http://www.polisci.ucla.edu/faculty/groseclose/Media.Bias.8.htm

Notice how the 'study' is compared to the "average member of Congress." Gee, just because Congress is filled with a bunch of fascists, that makes the media libera. What CRAP!!!!!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:40 AM
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11. This guy is a RWer if I ever saw one. FAUX isn't THAT far RIGHT?
Is that what he said? Did I hear that right?
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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:42 AM
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16. Fox News = Olympia Snowe? LOL
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Justsayin Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:41 AM
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13. cspans answer to Fair
haha they dont like being called out, Susan said this morning to a caller that they (cspan) disagree. http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2764
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:44 AM
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18. The NYT is LEFT of CENTER! They held an EXPLOSIVE news story
so Bush could STEAL a fucking election and he says they're LEFT OF CENTER? Fuck this dude...fuck C-SPAN. Fuck Brian Lamb.
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Justsayin Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:45 AM
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20. I just yelled that to my wife!
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:45 AM
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19. Anyone game to ask him what his bias is?
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 09:51 AM by Skidmore
Here's his CV:

http://www.polisci.ucla.edu/faculty/groseclose/pdfs/vita.pdf

For those poli sci types here who know the field.
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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:51 AM
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22. Mr. Groseclose gave $250 to some sort of campaign of Herman Cain.
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 09:52 AM by Darkhawk32
Author of "They Think You're Stupid: Why Democrats Lost Your Vote and what Republicans Must do to Keep It."


Yeah, no bias there.


Oh, Cain ran for U.S. Senate in Georgia in 1996.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:58 AM
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27. Do we think C-SPAN didn't know his background before they
brought this RW shill on?

NO.
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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 10:01 AM
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29. More on Herman Cain...
Herman Cain is the host of the nationally syndicated radio talk-show Herman Cain with The Bottom Line. The show is designed to inform voters of the facts and challenge the rhetoric on the big economic issues of the day.

Cain launched the "New Voters' Alliance," a vocal and persistent organization that works to influence public policy and inspire voters to become involved in legislative decisions. He has also created the "New Voice Foundation," which educates voters on issues of economic importance.

Herman Cain ran in the 2004 Republican primary for the U.S. Senate in Georgia. He surprised political analysts by finishing a close second in the three-way race, even though it was his first attempt for public office. His success in attracting a broad new audience of voters inspired him to write this book.

He has also served as senior advisor to the 1996 Dole/Kemp Presidential campaign and was appointed to serve on the 1995 Economic Growth and Tax Reform Commission.

Herman Cain is a successful businessman, best known for the dramatic turnaround of Godfather's Pizza under his leadership while President and Chairman. He has also served as CEO and President of the National Restaurant Association and as Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. Cain is an accomplished and popular speaker, and has authored four books on topics ranging from leadership to politics.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:52 AM
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23. lots of people getting a good laugh over this report.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:52 AM
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24. a caller in said he should focus on the 'truth' of media reports.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:54 AM
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25. most of the media is so neutral going right that to be Left would be
out in the fringes. simple as that.
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:57 AM
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26. Words mean things
Once again, this conversation is constricted by a right-wing definition of "liberal" and "conservative."

For anti-democratic "conservatives," the notion of democracy itself is "liberal." The Heritage Foundation should be defined as "fascist." By labeling them "conservative," the traditional meanings of words are no longer functional.
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abluelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:59 AM
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28. I Would Like Him to Look at More Newspapers
Many people get their "news" locally. I would bet that he would not do that because his "cause" would lose.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 10:02 AM
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30. He used an exteremly flawed methodology that did not go to content
It only went to how often a "left leaning" or "right leaning" issue or person is mentioned.

Ergo, when Pat Buchanan rails on and on about Bill Clinton's penis, this demonstrates left leaning bias via this guy's methodology.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 10:03 AM
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31. Telling the cold, unvarnished truth must be so left wing
that it's clear off his charts!
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 10:08 AM
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32. Hey Susan Swain! This Kind Of Thing Is What FAIR Is Talking About
John Snow on with nobody knowledgeable in economics to rebut his propaganda. And, a bufoon who couches a patently biased study on bias (go figure) that is obviously in error with no rebuttal.

This is why F.A.I.R. thinks you guys have moved to the right and the reason you folks at CSPAN disagree is because you just don't see how ridiculously right leaning such a guest really is.
The Professor
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 10:11 AM
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33. Is this the same guy Thomlinson hired to skewer PBS?
Groseclose?



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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 10:44 AM
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34. Here is Media Matters debunking of this laughable study
http://mediamatters.org/items/200512220003


The ACLU is conservative???
doesn't pass the milk-out-the-nose-test.
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progressivejazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:06 AM
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35. Thanks for the link.
The debunking by Media Matters appears far more scholarly than the "study".
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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:11 AM
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36. The media is not biased, it is corporatized. It does its job well
and that means serving the express interests of the Corporation.
The aim, therefore, is to stifle the discussion and silence the adversaries, an aim that is much more ideological than you would care to think. It also explains perfectly, for example, why the whole of the press often say the same things. The rule is that the people controlling the media have to be totally reliable: they don’t even have to be told what to say. They already know it by heart. They have already internalised the rules of the game. Being reliable is something that requires lengthy training and considerable single-mindedness. On every level of the information hierarchy you have to prove that you have a total disregard for the truth, a complete readiness to deceive and an absolutely impenetrable cynicism. This, as a rule, is the only way of getting up to the next level.
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