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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 06:19 PM
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Why isn't the anti-War message stronger than it is in the Democratic
Edited on Fri Mar-03-06 06:28 PM by patrice
Party? What's so risky about being against LOTS of Violent Deaths in Other People's countries - DAILY!!! How is this situation an improvement for ANYONE? Except BushCo and Haliburton.

For goodness sake with the Invasion, how HORRIBLE do things have to get before someone says something? How is this an improvement of anykind for Iraq?

Just wondering . . . .

end of rant.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 06:24 PM
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1. I wonder why the word 'impeachment' isn't brought up.
What will it take?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 06:30 PM
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2. How about Malfeasance re Katrina???
Is that Impeachable?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 06:30 PM
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4. And Malfeasance re 9/11.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 06:30 PM
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3. OKAY... One MORE TIME!!
Sarasota County, home of Cruella herself (Katherine Harris) is going to have an ANTI-WAR March here on March 18th!

I have been posting this everywhere I can. I want to get as many people as possible marching as we are going to march right in front of her office.

If you are interested or if you can join us please see http://floridaforpeace.blogspot.com or email the New College group organizing this at floridaforpeace@gmail.com

We want a BIG turn-out! I'll be making flyers on my own and distributing them wherever I can!

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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 06:32 PM
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6. I'll email this to someone in Ft. Lauderdale. n/t
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 07:40 PM
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14. Thank You Very Much...
I hear Katherine Harris is going to be in Ft. Lauderdale though.

You see how I'm parsing this out here!

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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 06:32 PM
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7. Good on you
Break a leg! Unfortunately, I'll be in Buffalo freezing my ass off.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 06:31 PM
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5. Simple
It's the 2-party system that's screwing up the math. All Democrats have to do is be slightly less hawkish than the GOP, and antiwar voters really have no choice but to vote for them. So why would they alienate potential pro-war voters to please people they already have in a corner?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 06:33 PM
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8. Yep. Us and the Greens.
And Socialists.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 07:06 PM
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12. I Guess It Seems True... But Making Our Voice Heard Loud &
clear shows some back-bone!! The lack of spine from Dems in Congress only shows that they are looking the other way and re-enforces the belief that Dems are weak!

Greens are my preference and I wish there were many many more to make them wake-up! It just isn't happening!

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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 07:09 PM
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13. The greens are also wimps
Just look at the way they stepped out of the Democrats' way in the last election. That's not an opposition party. Everyone demonizes Nader around here, but you get attention for your agenda by impacting elections.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 06:36 PM
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9. because the Dems are owned by the same corporations as the repukes
the corporations LIKE the war

it's good for business
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 06:52 PM
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10. Bingo!
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 07:03 PM
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11. Because the War has been sanitized
EVEN with digital photography and instant news updates, most Americans don't see or don't watch War coverage. It's not glamorous enough and IMO, from personal experience, 75% of Americans who do not have a loved one in Harm's Way don't give a shit!
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 07:46 PM
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15. The game is

all about the Iraq thing failing while politically owned 100% by Republicans.

We all know it's failing and will end in failure. The people who still support it all are beyond convincing by our words, they're only amenable to the facts that prove the failure.

How horrible things have to get? That's a question of what happens and for how long. I'd say we're on the brink of Bush losing the crucial bloc of American voters he needs to keep things going beyond this year.

-The hardcore Left (8%) opposed it immediately when Bush proposed the thing. Simply because the hardcore Right wanted to do it, really, but there's always some excuse to be found. (The hardcore Right kneejerks the same way toward stuff the hardcore Left does, of course.)

-Liberals (24%) agreed that Hussein was a problem. But decided, on the evidence, in the late fall of 2002 that Bush was grossly exaggerating the WMD threat and had no adequate, let alone desirable, plan to deal with the aftermath of toppling Hussein.

-Moderate Democrats and leaners (~11%) gave Bush the benefit of the doubt and agreed with the war/occupation when it began. But when no WMDs were found and the criminal bungling around Baghdad became clear, they gave up on the venture as a pack of lies in April 2003.

-Indies (~19%) didn't have high expectations, but they bought into the bringing democracy to Iraq part of the "freedom and democracy" sloganeering. The January 30 2005 elections were the test, and when in March there was no democracy forming or happening- just more of the same, cronyism and corruption and military rule and disrespect/ignoring/abuse of the average Iraqi- they gave up on it.

That sums up the blocs opposed at the moment.

-Moderate Republicans (6%) have fairly low/cynical expectations, but they bought into the freedom part of the "freedom and democracy" marketing. They don't mean great things by freedom, just basic ability to conduct business and physical safety and mobility. They've staked their support of the Bush venture in Iraq on whether this constitution and 'government' elected in December 2005 achieve this standard of freedom to conduct business and make a small profit. A tolerated or unsuppressable state of civil war, with all its daily highway robbery and extortions and risk of being killed, probably makes their support go away.

This is the wavering political bloc. Bush cannot afford to lose it- with it a pile of Republican Congressmen have to break with him or lose reelection, ergo he loses Congress on Iraq, and with that the funding and lack of oversight that keeps the game- maintaining the prospect of 'victory'- going. Lose that bloc and it's Game Over, Bush Loses. The Samarra mosque attack and its aftermath may be enough, or it'll take another major incident of the kind. I don't think we have to wait very long either way...a few weeks, maybe into summer.

As for the rest of the geniuses in support of the continuing travesty:

-The hardcore Right (8%) doesn't care about Iraq itself. Saddam Hussein hurt their ego in an unforgivable way. They'll support Bush until he's gotten Hussein killed, and after that they couldn't care less about anything involving Iraq- except possibly inflicting violence on other Iraqis they feel hurt their precious egos in the meantime, that is.

-The hardcore "conservatives" (24%) insist on victory, reality be damned. But what kills them is when the leader they've put all their trust tells them he won't deliver. That he lied to them. That he had all the power and still couldn't get them victory.

I realize this is not the straight answer to the question you asked. But it's the roundabout one, to the best I've been able to figure it out.
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