Males repulsed or disgusted by homosexuality

I'm sure we have all met them.

One of my ways of dealing with them is to tell them they aren't against homosexuality.
To which they get indignant.
I then point out that they are sexist. I express to them that 2 beautiful women going at is a turn-on to them...is it not?

Therefore they are not against homosexuality, but just male homosexuality only.
They are sexist.

I love exposing hypocrites.
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... "against" homosexuality. I am simply not homosexual.

As far as getting "repulsed" by homosexuality (and I assume you mean homosexual acts, such as kissing/fondling/sex), I think that has more to do with embarassment than repulsion.

A UGa study, however, showed that the homophobes were more likely to be aroused by gay male porn than their non homophobe brothers, which strongly suggests a great deal of self loathing as the main component of homophobia. Homophobes are likeliest also to be misogynists, meaning the self loathing extends to anything they perceive as echoing that "feminine" part of themselves. It's pretty sad, really.

I've had lesbians make heavy passes at me. I was neither repulsed nor interested. I am simply not a lesbian.

so am I ok?

A pornography producer's heart is breaking....

"The pleasure is brief, the cost damnable, and the posture rediculous."

I others want to watch, more power to them. I just don't like the whole, well, ridiculousness of the whole thing, give me an inperfect woman, or even man, in the flesh, than a fake one pixelated.

Is that both disgust and repulsion are strong feelings and forms of excitement, so that in actual fact, such persons do experience a degree of excitement by male homosexuality, and that is a large part of their discomfort with it. The most enjoyable ones are those who give the whole game away with loud declarations they "won't stand for anybody shoving the homosexual agenda down their throuts...."

"sometimes it's better to give than to receive."

:shrug:

How is it possible that males could be disgusted or repulsed by their own sex? Sure, there are a lot of guys who I'd rather not see naked or have sex. But people being affectionate and close with each other isn't what repulses the so-called homosexual dislikers. I like seeing my friends and teammates or just the general public naked in the showers or wherever. The ones who are in good shape or unique (most of them) are beautiful examples of males. I'm just not really interested in watching two guys or girls having sex. It's their deal. I find it equally boring seeing a male/female couple having sex, or fondling each other in public. It just says insecurity to me. I don't hate them or feel repulsed.

Some men who are obviously or subconsciously insecure about their individual status in society and their orientation do get rather bothered by the sight or thought of male homosexuals, only because men are socialized to believe that the ultimate betrayal of masculinity and maleness is relinquishinig power by lowering themselves to the status of a "woman" in society, i.e. the object of another man's sexuality. The millions of guys who have sex with each other (typically oral sex only) but maintain a male dominant relationship with a woman or in society don't usually go around talking about men having sex with each other. So, yeah, it is and has always been about sexism and power, which are probably the same thing.

They're repulsed by seeing a man's hairy ass and balls fill the TV screen.

but you'd think they could find guys who are way less hairy or something. Or not show it on TV?

"men are socialized to believe that the ultimate betrayal of masculinity and maleness is relinquishinig power by lowering themselves to the status of a "woman" in society, i.e. the object of another man's sexuality. The millions of guys who have sex with each other (typically oral sex only) but maintain a male dominant relationship with a woman or in society don't usually go around talking about men having sex with each other. So, yeah, it is and has always been about sexism and power, which are probably the same thing."

YES, YES and YES.

Perfect.

Tell them it's easier to swallow when sitting on their knees than when standing fully erect on two feet. They will be forced to reinterpret fear as desire and then they can go from there. How else shall they conquer their fears unless it stares them straight in the face?

the "hot, hard, turgid, swollen homosexual agenda being rammed down their throats"

Oh No!

You hit the nail right on the head. You talk to some straight guys who practically act like they're about to puke when talking about how sickened and replused they are about homosexuality...and man, when you point out, as you did, the concept of two women together and...they get all crazed with desire at the idea. Of course...it's STILL homosexuality.

You keep exposing that hypocrisy. :thumbsup:

That's another nail in place. "Straight" guys have to act real macho around other straight guys. I have to chuckle. I don't care what gay guys do or don't do; and they don't care what me and my wife do. I do however care about people who are insane trying to fuck with our constitution because they think their beliefs trumps freedom. It gets this vets blood boiling.

I'm sick to death of the "Get the government out of the boardroom and into the bedroom" crowd. Talk about building a damn nanny state!

:hi:

Long time no speak, pal! I very much hope you and all of your family are OK in the aftermath of Katrina and doing as well as could be.

Please refer to my exchange below, because there is another aspect of this issue that hasn't really been addressed.

I do totally agree with you though, that vitriolic homphobics are horrid and also get this vets dander up when contemplating what they want to do to homosexuals in this country.

People have the right to live freely and love as they see fit, as long as it is consensual and no harm is done to another person.

omg he would go on and on about the lesbian neighbors but mention a couple of gay guys and he was repulsed! One of the many reasons he is an ex-friend.

nearly fell over in shock when I told her that I have had 2 lesbian gynecologists in the past (and she knows I am not gay myself). I said that they were both extremely competent physicians and were perfectly professional in every way. I have heard some horror stories from women about male gynos however.

in homophobia.

When a man stereotypes women, he is also stereotyping himself. He is causing his own "backlash" (though he will blame women for the backlash - like a racist blames minorities for "backlash"). So if women are a certain way - them men must be a certain way as well. So when a sexist man can't live up to that expectation or feels threatened, he lashes out. (at the usual suspects - women, minorities and GLBT) - sexism and racism usually go hand in hand - since it's all about thinking you're superior to others in some way.


Stereotypes impose limits on what you can be or do....so a "real" man can't be compassionate or show emotion - or they can't cry...or they can't (fill in the blank)...and if they do, then they're "gay"

So 2 men physically expressing emotion and desire threatens them - it challenges them and in more than a few cases, it's all tied in with their own denial of their sexuality. (which goes back to sexism since "real" men don't desire other men)

And a lot of men, such as myself, are grossed out by the thought of male homsexuality (and turned on by female homosexuality), but are complete supporters of the rights of homosexuals of both sexes to live free and enjoy whatever consenting sexual activities they wish to in the privacy of their own homes.

But, when it comes to sex, be it hetero- or homosexual, people don't get to pick and choose what they like and what is gross. It just happens around puberty.

Maybe you are referring to actual homophobes, who are against the rights and freedoms and perhaps even the existance of homsexuality, as oppsoed to the much larger population of men who's biology skeeves us out at the thought of male homosexuality and turns us on at the thought of female homsexuality.

In that context, I suppose it makes more sense.

But consider that it isn't hypocrisy for most guys, it's biology hardwired into the brain, stimulated by hormone concentrations, etc.

I have no control over the fact that I am disgusted by two guys french-kissing (let alone doing other stuff), but that doesn't mean I wish to deny them the right to do so.

I also have no control over the fact that I find lesbianism intensely sexually exciting, but I have the exact same feelings, ultimately, regarding their homosexuality, too. I want them to also have the right to live and love as they please so long as it's consenting among adults.

One more time: biology, not hypocrisy.

Unless you were talking about actual homosexual-hating homophobes, which is a different story. In that event: Go get 'em!

...Hm?

I'm not usually turned on all that much by the idea of two women together (I'm female) but I don't feel any disgust either. It's just kind of "shrug, whatever." And some general idea that y'know, love is beautiful, sex is sexy, etc. I can appreciate it aesthetically.

It's the disgust I don't understand, because I've never felt it about almost any kind of consenting-adult sex. I don't think the disgust is "normal" or inevitable at all. Not all straight men feel it, either.

How's "grossed out" for you?

To be honest, I don't think there is anything such as "normal" sexuality. There are so many likes and dislikes for all types of people there is no "one size fits all" that could be called "normal". Certainly not inevitable.

Sexuality is as disuniform (is that a word?) a pursuit as there is. Infinite variety...

I believe that answers your statement of "Not all straight men feel it, either." Of course they don't. I am only saying that, in my experience, I think there is a substantial minority or perhaps even a slight majority of straight men who feel something like that.

(being grossed out by male homosexuality, turned on by female sexuality, but with nothing truly against the practice of homosexuality by consenting adults in the privacy of their own homes)

And as I said before, that isn't really something a person can control, like being nauseated by the site of blood or fear of heights for some people.

So there you have it...I don't even understand my own "disgust". I don't understand it anymore than I understand the biological whys and wherefores of what caused my to like girls and not guys when puberty struck.

And I am a molecular biologist by trade. It's just something science hasn't fully explained beyond some progress on genetics and hormonal concentrations in blood.

But I and millions of other straight men have not allowed our personal and uncontrollable fellings of "being grossed out" by male homosexuality to turn us against homosexual rights or in favor of making homosexuals second-class citizens or any other of the BushPutinist anti-homosexual policies.

Again I say, for vitriolic homophobes who DO wish to eradicate homsexuality or deny homosexuals basic right, it is another matter.

I believe in what that great Liberal, George Washington, said many years ago:

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/g/georgewash135806.html

...now, admittedly, my own (straight male) partner who says he doesn't feel disgust at all has also acknowledged some very mild bi-curiosity. Not something he feels a need to act on, just knowing it's there and being OK with that. So maybe it's related to where one sits at the moment on the Kinsey scale? I have no idea.

I also know that some women are grossed out by male homosexuality, and others (like me!) are sometimes highly turned on by it, much as some men are by lesbianism. I have no idea what the emotional or chemical mechanism responsible for that would be either.

Infinite variety, absolutely. Personally, I am repulsed by people eating deep-fried Snickers bars. GROSS!

words fail me.

or the "shut the eff up and die, caveman" way?

just an observation that the male anatomy is so disgusting to you, how can you even look at yourself, you know, down there?

do you ever watch porn? does it not (usually) take two (or more :-) ) people?

do you insist on editing your porn so that the male is never visible? that would make for very boring porn.

the point being, i was more impressed by your revulsion of male anatomy than anything else. that in itself, says a lot.

me? i'm not all that affected by hairy, or shaven, vaginas. but i would never go out of my way to impress everyone with my revulsion of them, as you have done.

but that is ok. i can recognize beauty in women, although i would never want to go bed with one. can you say the same for men?

i doubt it. that would be too "compromising"... no telling what people may think, huh?

as usual :shrug:

be able to make out a distinction between being socially uncomfortable, combined with, perhaps, a lack of sexual stimulation, and being actually, physically or psychologically repulsed by homosexual, male sex. But many who aren't willing to look that deeply might not be able to see the difference.

To switch over to the biological aspect quickly, it doesn't necessarily seem to be evolutionarily "advantageous" to be actually REPULSED by homosexual activities. I'm not sure that the part of the brain that attracts people sexually to others is even capable of that. It's more like, it's either on, or it's not.

live a happy life. If you want to be grossed out just think of your neighbors, naked in the back yard on a saturday afternoon, pounding away like two dogs in heat. It wouldn't matter that it would be heterosexual huh, but the lack of attactiveness of your neighbors naked (my assumption) my be a turnoff.

What grosses me out the most of anything now a days is the total lack of constitutional knowledge by those who pick and choose in the bible and try to force me to live my life their way. Now that's gross.

We are doing fine after the hurricane. Minor house damage, lost a lot of trees but we are kinda back to normal. Still got some cleaning up to do on the south lot but there is still a burn ban around here so I got some healthy piles left to get rid of. We are anxiously awaiting the next hurricane season.

:patriot:

(I know, I know...you weren't an officer, you worked for a living)

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I work with people who are gay & lesbian, & I am not flipping out like they have some kind of disease. Why is it that we women aren't bothered by it like men are?

Tammy

gay male porn, like stratemen, like lesbian porn?

Women are emotionally stimulated.

...among fanfic writers (the great majority of whom are women), a very very common theme is gay male slash - in other words, putting together two male characters from your fandom of choice, who may or may not show any hint of physical attraction to each other in the original source material, and writing it out as a full-blown romance or sexual encounter. Much of it is very explicit and erotic. By contrast, female slash fic is far less common.

Can't get enough of the stuff. :D


Which ties in with the post above that mentions that men are more aroused by pictures, women by stories. I find that to be very true in my case.

You're right, though - it's the story aspect that makes it erotic, the character interactions, rather than just a plot-less visual.

And we always pop up in these threads. :hi:

(PM me if you want Final Fantasy recs :D)

There should be a study on this. I'm a gay male and I personally dig stories as much as visual porn, more in fact. Most friends I have that are gay ALSO like their porn in story format.

Perhaps the brain chemistry is somewhat aligned to a straight female's in this reguard? Could be a fascinating topic to investigate since we still don't really know what makes people gay or straight or bi.

Such as straight males who are more attracted to skinny women, athletic women, brunettes, blondes, whatever physical trait they are attracted to. Some might find red hair to be repulsive, can't understand why but some do. I would say those repulsed by the idea of what two or three or more people are doing together are being silly and probably do have problems.

It's one thing to be repulsed at the idea of performing an act, I'm sure most everyone has a list of things they never care to do, but an entirely different thing to try place your preferences or opinions of what is pleasing or repulsing on others.

Too bad they can't take the attitude of the Priest that was a member of Congress from Massachusetts for awhile "I'm against abortion being legal, except for women."

Some people find things repulsive, yet have no desire to prevent others from enjoying those things. I like cooking with oil and I like eggs, but I find mayonnaise repulsive. Is that hypocritical? Is it hypocritical to not particularly like raw tomatoes, but to enjoy them when cooked? I'd say it's a matter of taste.

Also, the idea of beautiful naked women doing virtually anything is a turn-on for many straight men. It's not the fact of what they're doing (though that can be a bonus) but the fact that they are there.

Edit: the fact I don't like mayonnaise doesn't mean I proselytize against it. The same is true for many straight men. The fact that gay sex may or may not repulse them is not an issue and it's rather arrogant to make it one. The only concern is whether they seek to impose their likes/dislikes on others.

condemning homosexuality on "moral" grounds - when they are really just against male homosexuality - so the moral argument doesn't hold up.

The OP wasn't clear on the basis of the disgust, so I didn't assume one beyond what was written. The moral argument has its own flaws (especially when Leviticus is cited).

We all have free will and the right to exercise it. I choose not to expend time and energy thinking about who is bonking whom in whatever combination (with the exception of children being involved). If males are repulsed or disgusted, they are free not to partake. It's their violence and desire to intrude in or control other people's lives that offends me.

Thank you. It is a pleasure and relief to find like minded people.

:toast:

come on in, set yerself down and have a brewski

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Thank you for the welcome. It is a pleasure to find like minded people and I have been made to feel so welcome I will have a brewski!

This has happened occassionally when I am surfing the net for porn. It turns me completely off. Depending on the camera angles, a lot of male/female turns me off as well.

I like to see naked women and I like to see lesbian action.

Other than that, I have no problem with homosexuality. I imagine a gay man would probably be turned off by seeing two women in action. I really don't know nor care to know. A person's sexuality it his or her own business.

So call me a sexist if you want.

I'm a bisexual female. What does that make me?

:shrug:

:pals:

But if a man finds the act of homosexuality repulsive or disgusting, then he must either be a homophobe, a sexist or even a closeted homosexual?

:evilgrin:

I guess that means I secretly crave yogurt or mushrooms or something(Note, neither one of those come from any plant or animal product).

Even though some yogurts are derived from dairy products, the main ingredient is Bacteria.

Just like cheese.
If the process is done right, only the starter culture bacteria will be present, which are safe and in the case of yogurt beneficial. In U.S. food plants, there is extensive quality testing making sure everything is done right.
Cheese and yogurt are actually less likely to have harmful bacteria than perishable products made without bacteria because the intended bacteria will outcompete and prevent bad bacteria.

as opposed to actual, neurobiological sexual thoughts/feelings.

I can get aroused watching or reading about heterosexual, gay or lesbian sex. The mind is the most powerful sexual organ and playing out fantasies in the mind can be very stimulating. But that is really as far as I want to take that out of my comfort zone. I think a lot of people may feel the same way, but might not really want to admit it.

but I'm not "against" it.

It really means you're xenophobic and hate the French.

Because it is made from mold.

First, straight males, by NATURE, are attracted to women, period. The fact that we get turned on by seen two people we find attractive "get it on" means precisely nothing. Now, for those who want to not give rights to homosexuals but like seeing lesbians, that is hypocritical in a way. But the fact that straight males actually would not want to see two people they find UNATTRACTIVE get it on isn't exactly a strong argument. Its kinda like saying that all straight males who DON'T buy Playgirl magazine, but have no problem buying Playboys, is a homophobe and hypocrite. Stupid argument.

Can't blame the poster for trying, but the logic is quite flawed.

as being very immoral or some other crap may actually have latent homosexual urges they haven't faced yet. These are the true homophobes, people who will go to a gay bar to beat the shit out of someone. While I may not like seeing gay men engage in sex, it is a far cry from someone who obsesses over the fact that gay men actually exist and engage in such acts. That, to me, seems to indicate something else is wrong with that person.

I kinda was, until I left my little steel town in NE Ohio, moved to Galveston Texas, and got to know the culture. Actually I just hadnt been exposed to openly Gay people until I ventured away from my hometown.

I wasnt disgusted, it was more just fear of what I thought Gay people were like. I had bought into stereotypes. After I was in Galveston and I got a job working as a banquet waiter /bartender I realized that the man who hired me was Gay. He was a great guy. He was a cajun who had located there from LA.

After I worked for a few weeks I then learned about every other person I had met there was Gay, and I was "surprised " how normal they were.

I worked there for about three years and was active in the social network , got to know hundreds of Gay people. I liked some and some i didnt - no different than my straight freinds. Theyre just people.

It's one thing to enjoy the company of gay men outside the bedroom, but another to be turned off by them having sex with each other.

I hang out with a diverse crowd, and sometimes a gay man will hit on me and to be honest I find it flattering, and turn him down politely. If only women were that straight forward! :)

I've been hit on countless times by gay men since I was 15. Usually all I have to say is no, I'm not gay, and life goes on. I take it as a compliment because it means that they found me attractive.

Meanwhile, it's always difficult to tell whether a woman finds me attractive or not, and even if she does, does it mean I have a chance to go out with her.

I go to gay clubs to hang out with my best friend. While there, I would actually have guys come up to me and ask for my number and ask me out to dinner, etc. I'm extremely shy, so shy in fact that my first girlfriend actually asked ME out, not the other way around, personally, that doesn't really matter to me, hell, my parents got together because of the same thing, my Mom asked my Dad out first, I get my shyness from him, they are celebrating their 29th anniversary this month. :)

Gay people seem to be genuis at certain things. Architecture, home design, landscape design, and these types of ventures.

Is that a stereotype or do they seem to have something Im missing in these things? Im probably just stereotyping.

I know quite a few gay men in my life, and most of them were working the same crappy jobs I was working, from the guy who was the Dept. Manager over Men's Clothing at Wal-Mart, to his boyfriend, who was Dept. Manager over Automotive, etc. BTW: A Dept. Manager at Wal-Mart is equivelent to an Associate with a 50 cent raise and deals with crap from both above and below, in other words, it sucks.

Which is why I have a lot of gay friends.

I'm a writer, a photographer, I've done acting, live poetry, cooking. So naturally, I seek out people with similar interests, and many are gay, and it's never an issue.

They respect my sexual preference and I respect their preference. The actual act of sex is only a small part of what makes us human.

Shit, all they do is ask me back to their apartment. Now I really feel cheap.

I didn't hesitate, of course I was drunk and in Mexico too, ah those were the days! :)

Same for me, but half the country away, give or take a few hundred miles. Think about the fun all us teenagers had, all 18, at least, and had the same size groups for both classes, though different hotels, we both alternated parties for a week straight, sans the clubs around there. We were in Cancun, and a note for visitors, I damn near cried when I saw the pictures there last year when the hurricane hit, I recognized so much, I cried when I saw New Orleans too, a week after the trip to Cancun, me and a bunch of friends piled into cars and took a road trip to New Orleans. Last year was a sad year. :(

On a brighter note, Kriegers in Cancun had a water slide, a warning, do NOT, repeat do NOT, drink tequila and then take that ride, you end up outside the club and into the lagoon. Another note, behind the Fat Tuesdays there they had a Bungee platform straddling the docks, and so I jumped off it , didn't know there were freakin' SHARKS in the water, I gave up fishing after that, now I know what a worm on a hook feels like.

I've never been to cancun, but I've been to new orleans four times over the years, and I cried after katrina.

be interested in watching them.

Everyone is gay, it's just to what -extent- are you gay that is the question.

I'm not gay at all!

Yeah you are, and I can prove it. Do you like porn?

Yeah, I love porn! You know that.

Well, do you only watch scenes with two women involved?

No, I'll watch a man and woman making love.

Do you like the man to have a tiny, thin, half-flaccid penis?

No, I like big hard throbbing cock! (gasp)

if the acts described or viewed were personally experienced.

For men, male homosexuality would be terrifying and disgusting, some part of it may be the realization of latent homosexuality. But, of course, not when women are engaged in love makers between them.

And then there is the "fluid exchange" that takes place in male, but not female homosexuality. Which, I think, is the reason why the bible - if you rely on this to explain your reaction, condemn males but does not even mention women's homosexuality. And I think that it has to do with spilling of seed..

I'm of the opinion that male homosexuality tends to be so looked-down upon because the males both possess the "positive" side of the equation, and there, therefore, is some kind of "violation" of the other that is not supposed to occur. Of course, females don't have that "problem."

Freud would love where this discussion is going. There is a lot of subconscious symbolism going on.

Ron:
My friend is a big homophobe. I told him to show a little enlightenment. "Besides," I said, "we're ALL gay to a certain degree."

homophobe: "Bullshit! I ain't no q***r!"

Ron: "Yes you are...and I got $100.00 that says I can prove it."

homophobe: "Allright, I'll call you on that, Prove it!"

Ron: "Do you like porn?"

homophobe: "Hell yeah! I love porn!"

Ron: "Do you only watch woman-on-woman scenes."

homophobe: "Naw, I like to watch a man and woman go at it."

Ron: "Do you want to see the man with a small, limp, flaccid penis?"

homophobe: "HELL NO! I want to see a big, hard, throbbing C**K!! *pause*.... I did not know that about myself."

And there's yer biology.

I find two good looking women getting it on hot erotic and hot.

I find a man and a women getting it on hot and erotic to.

I find two men getting it on with each other rather disgusting (so I just don't watch)

Is that sexist?

Well sure it is. I am attracted to women. I am attacted to women only. I know many women who are attracted to men only. For that matter I know gay men who are only attracted to other men and find traditional sex repulsive.

Is it sexist now to be attracted to only one sex??????

Well I guess then the only non sexist are bisexuals.

Now don't jump the gun and say that Im a homophobe to (although Im sure somebody will). Im not. I don't give a frap what people do with each other. But when it comes to what I sexy, and who I do it with, well thats my business and really no one elses either.

Did you expose me as a hypocrit? Well I guess so. I discriminate against men when it comes to who Im going to sleep with :) (all men, not just gay men mind you!) :)