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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:14 PM
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Gore schools Grover and his Wednesday Group on global warming
...and le tout wingerhood is buzzing about what a great presentation it was. Interesting!


http://corner.nationalreview.com/06_01_01_corner-archive.asp#085926

Steve Hayward

Indeed, the former Vice President did turn up at Grover's Wednesday Group meeting, apparently at his own request, to give an abbreviated version of his global warming presentation. As Grover's meetings are off-the-record, I won't relay any of Gore specific remarks (beyond repeating what I think he'd want Cornerites to hear--that global warming and the potential harm it may do to the planet should be recognized as a moral challenge by everyone, especially conservatives). But I think I can stay within the rules to make a few general observations about the experience.

First, Gore was funny, relaxed, and self-effacing, and he was received by the Group with the utmost politeness and courtesy, as it should be. John Miller is right to praise the guy for seeking to meet with a group of people not one of whom likely voted for him. His Powerpoint presentation on global warming was superbly done--the best I have ever seen either on this or any topic. (He has some dazzling graphics, and uses Powerpoint as it ought to be used.)

Gore took on all comers for about 25 minutes after the speech, and I thought most of his responses were not strong. He graciously acknowledged the merits of good points and some challenges put to him (including two from me, if I can boast a bit). But most of his answers, I thought, sounded like canned bits of the rest of his speech that he left out, and he didn't, with few exceptions, join the fundamental premises at the heart of the questions. He also is not up to date on a few aspects of the climate change debate, but this is entirely forgiveable in my mind because it is almost impossible to keep up with this fast-moving scene.

Above all, Gore the practical politician may have come to realize something the environmental movement is resolutely clueless about: there can be no serious progress on any environmental issues without the participation of conservatives, for the obvious reason that the conservative movement is a potent force that is not going away any time soon. And with most other foreign conservative parties having joined the green/global warming bandwagon to some extent, this leaves the American conservative movement as the most significant remaining holdout. Most environmentalists want to demonize conservatives; Gore says he wants to talk to us. Good for him....
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:35 PM
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1. kick
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:36 PM
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2. Al Gore may be the leader we need.
There is a difference between governing and leading. Bush attempts to govern by control.
The more I hear from Al, the better I like him.

Is there any doubt that Gore would lead and let the people govern?
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:42 PM
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3. Very well said.
If there were no such thing as parties, Gore would be in the WH now. There would be no stigma against voting for an intelligent liberal on the right--to lead, not govern.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:55 PM
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5. Not "Maybe" Al Gore "Is" The Leader We Need
He is my choice by far.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:46 PM
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4. I wish we had a transcript.
"Gore took on all comers for about 25 minutes after the speech, and I thought most of his responses were not strong. He graciously acknowledged the merits of good points and some challenges put to him (including two from me, if I can boast a bit). But most of his answers, I thought, sounded like canned bits of the rest of his speech that he left out, and he didn't, with few exceptions, join the fundamental premises at the heart of the questions. He also is not up to date on a few aspects of the climate change debate, but this is entirely forgiveable in my mind because it is almost impossible to keep up with this fast-moving scene."

I am taking this person's account with a grain of salt the size of a boulder.

"Above all, Gore the practical politician may have come to realize something the environmental movement is resolutely clueless about: there can be no serious progress on any environmental issues without the participation of conservatives, for the obvious reason that the conservative movement is a potent force that is not going away any time soon. And with most other foreign conservative parties having joined the green/global warming bandwagon to some extent, this leaves the American conservative movement as the most significant remaining holdout. Most environmentalists want to demonize conservatives; Gore says he wants to talk to us. Good for him...."

This paragraph tells me just how totally 19th century, the American conservative movement is.






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