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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:25 PM
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The difference between US, Nazi Germany, & totalitarian communist regimes
With the US & Nazi Germany, the populous is/was fairly well off, the economy moving along, and citizens are dumb, fat, & lazy. With totalitarian communist regimes, you have the same lack of freedoms - but most people lacked basic creature comforts. It's easier to stand up and defy your oppression when it affects you directly.

As long as many Americans have their satellite TV, video games, and aren't terribly inconvenienced themselves, they could really care less what type of government is in charge. Isn't this what we hear from the freepers all the time? "If you have nothing to hide, why should you care if you get searched? I'm sure the President is doing a good job, he's looking out for us. He's keeping us safe from terrorists!"

But let a serious recession hit us, these same citizens will suddenly stand up and start demanding their rights - but by then, it might be too late for them!
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:29 PM
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1. Happened in the 1930's
The Alien and Sedition acts in the 20's occured when Americans were fat and lazy....so no one card.

Then in the 30's, people were out of work and got angry. As a result, Socialism rose in the US...
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:31 PM
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2. Alien and Sedition Acts
happened during the presidency of John Adams, I thought, in the late 1790s. Were there more enacted in the 1920s? What were they relating to-I'm always interested in finding out more about history.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:48 PM
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8. Looks like they were enforced f/the 1st time in a long time in WWI
Then used in the 20s to go after Communists.


http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0204f.asp

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Burning Water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:33 PM
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3. I always thought
that Hitler came to power because of the horrible situation in Germany, the hyper inflation and crushing war indemnities imposed upon Germany after WWI. The desperation of the people and the need for a scape-goat propelled Hitler to power.
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:38 PM
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5. That is true
But Hitler quickly accelerated Germany's industrial base as part of the fascist plan. Notice how quickly Germany rose from the depths of WWI to where they were just prior to WWII?

Facsim can be a wonderful thing for an economy, making the rich richer. The middle class is happy because they have jobs and feel "safe", protected by Big Brother.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:45 PM
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7. Hitler was only able to to do so with the help of his American
bankers, George Herbert Walker (Dubya's great grandfather) and Prescott Bush (Dubya's grandfather).
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:34 PM
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4. That's very true.
It's going to be a combination of Recession and Environmental chaos. I don't think there's going to be an all encompassing environmental cataclysm for a while yet (that would trigger justified changes), just a long series of regional disasters, each followed by a plateau where people say, in effect, "See we're okay. No need for big economic changes."

Another example of what you are saying:
There wouldn't be much of an anti-War movement if "we" were "winning" in Iraq.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:41 PM
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6. You may want to try this one again. . .
at the time of Nazi Germany's rise, the world was in the midst of a Great Depression. Here in the States, there were many highly active Communist and Socialist organizations in those years, as well as many right wing groups (among them, a very active German-American Bund, which supported Nazism and a glorified American past -- here's a photo of a the 1939 meeting in New York, where an estimated 22,000 gathered to celebrate Hitler and the original George W.).




You may want to read Hannah Arendt's Origins of Totalitarianism to gain better insight to the development totalitarian governments.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:49 PM
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9. Yeah, Germany was still recovering from the Big War. n/t
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