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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:03 AM
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Will the murder of Tom Fox turn American Christians against the war?
How do you think they view Tom Fox, considering he was a Christian peace activist?
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:05 AM
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1. More likely to turn Christians against Muslims!
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:06 AM
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2. The fundies don't consider him a "real" Christian
A real Christian supports anything Bush says... most fundies believe peace activists
are not true Christians. They see them as too liberal.

Sad, isn't it?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:09 AM
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4. Yes, it is sad
Welcome to DU! :hi:
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:12 AM
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7. Sad, yes...
that you seem to say that a "real" Christian supports anything Bush says. I am a Christian, and I support nothing that man believes. You should have put the "real" in your message body in quotes. Just saying.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:15 AM
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10. the fundies are still waiting for the rapture
Wonder if they are yet disillusioned with W being obsessed only with global profits for the rich?
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 11:55 PM
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44. My guess? No.
They have been told what to believe and have gotten to the point where they have forgotten what it means to think for themselves. God gave them a great gift - that of free thought - and they threw it away for the false security of certainty from spiritual "leaders."

Personally, my prayers are with those who succumbed to such a grand falsity...and I hope they find the courage to redeem themselves and their God. But that's just me...
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:12 AM
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8. As Jimmy Carter says
He worships the Prince of Peace.
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laheina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:30 AM
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21. Welcome to DU!!
Green Day rocks! :hi:
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SongOfTheRayne Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:07 AM
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3. This doesn't make any sense....
He wanted to get the U.S. to STOP killing Muslims.... why the f*ck would they go after HIM? Nothing makes any sense....
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:24 AM
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16. Why do "we" kill women and children??? War SUCKs/never makes sense n/t
Edited on Sat Mar-11-06 01:26 AM by fed-up
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laheina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:31 AM
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24. He was American, and they could get their hands on him. nt
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Burning Water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 11:07 AM
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39. A good point.
What is the Muslims actually want? What do they expect to gain by these tactics?

We can't realistically say they want us out of their country? I mean, sure they do, but they can't expect the foreign policy of a country to be changed by taking hostages. They can't expect 100s of prisoners to be exchanged for one.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:09 AM
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5. American Christians were already against the war. nt
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:24 AM
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15. But they still voted for Bush overwhelmingly in 2004
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:27 AM
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18. My personal thoughts are the fundies are afraid to die
They've worshiped the rich and despised the poor. They have backed a warmonger and brought hell to a country who was never a threat to us.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:07 AM
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30. Obviously, but we should stop believing
that the right-wingers have a lock on Christian morality. 2006 is considerably different from 2004. I can't understand why it took so damn long for the worm to turn, but it has turned.

But more importantly, yes, this has impacted many Christians in a deep way.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:25 AM
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31. NT christians against the war ; OT like Falwell etc for the war
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:32 AM
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33. Please stop equating "fundamentalists" with Christians...
The fundies are really only a bloc on the evangelical Protestant side of Christianity. They have far more apparent impact than they should only because they control religious broadcasting (thanks to their deal with the Hunt Brothers and their pals back in the late '70s, where they agreed to inject right-wing politics into their teachings in exchange for financial backing to get their networks on the air).
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 03:40 AM
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35. I'm talking about the fools that call themselves Christians
While supporting Bush and his war. I'm not making the determination that they're real Christians or not.

It really doesn't matter to me. All that matters to me is whether they support bush or not.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:11 AM
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6. Tom Fox did not believe in war & followed Christ's teachings
Christ was the prince of peace. Fox was against this war. The freepers will do whatever they do, but they have no right to call killing innocent Iraqis as a mandate from Christ.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:14 AM
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9. remember up is down left is right
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:19 AM
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12. But that's the fundies problem
They kill innocents who were never a threat to us. My Japanese friend suggests that the fundies have selective sensitivity. It's only "brown people with a different religion" who are being killed.

It's not like thousands of whites in the red states were dying.
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laheina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:33 AM
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27. Your friend has a point.
It's also far away, and they don't have to see it. That makes it easier to pretend that it isn't happening.
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Poppyseedman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:16 AM
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11. Oh' let me think for a second. Ok. done
Edited on Sat Mar-11-06 01:19 AM by Poppyseedman
No. If anything it will make them hate Muslims for killing him.

Thee seems to be this disconnect that progressives think if there was no Iraq war, radical Muslins would stop killing Christians in Iraq. Why would they kill a peace activist?

In that linear view of Islam, that simply is an ignorant concept. (that doesn't make you ignorant) Radical Muslims have been killing Christians as infidels for a long time, way before this war was started.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:23 AM
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14. The Crusades sought to kill all Muslims centuries ago.
They thought much like Ann Coulter. If they refuse to convert, kill them.

But Jesus is the prince of peace.
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Poppyseedman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 10:35 AM
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36. Let's hope the Muslims catch up to where the Christians
have grown in the last 800 years. Stop killing people who don't convert or believe as Muslims do..
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Burning Water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 11:11 AM
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41. Still, you have the
remember that the Crusades were a defensive reaction to Muslim imperialism that had boiled out of ARabia and conquered historically Christian lands. And basically, they wanted to regain their Holy Sites in Jerusalem.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 10:49 AM
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37. And radical Jews and Christians also kill those who
don't believe as they believe.

Let's not put the onus on one religion. M-Kay?
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Poppyseedman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 11:13 AM
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42. Radical Jews and Christians kill those who don't believe as they do?
Christians do kill Muslims in countries as revenge for Muslims killings them for being infidels, not for unbelief in Christ.

In modern times, I can't think of any incident where Jews or Christians have systematically killed non christians or non jews for not believing in Christ or even the tenets of the christian or Jewish teachings. Killing someone for unbelief is antipathetic to both religious belief systems. Both Christians and Jews kill for political reasons, but not for religious reasons.

Islam can not say that.

You are going to have to prove that Jews or Christians kill for religious reasons with actual facts.
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Redneck Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:19 AM
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13. Nah, the freeptards are all over him.
There's a thread around here someplace with a bunch of vile shit from freeptown. Some pretty ugly stuff.

Peace ain't christian ya know.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:26 AM
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17. But are they necessarily Christians
Or just dumbass right-wingers?
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Redneck Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:30 AM
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20. Just dumb ass right-wingers.
I gather many are self described christians though.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:28 AM
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19. the last two words says it all
religion is the root of most if not all wars.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:31 AM
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23. W has added a new dimension
Religion plus profits to the rich is the new root of war.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:43 AM
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29. ^5's
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PsychoDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:47 AM
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34. I would respectfully disagree.
Wars are about wealth and control of wealth, always have been. Religion, like politics, is used to whip us the masses and convince them of the "rightness" of the war.

Greed is the root of war.

Peace
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 07:22 AM
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43. in my early morning conciousness I think you're right
religion is only a tool of those who would steal from us.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:30 AM
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22. no
the same thing happened in central america and only a "few" gave a shit..the usa backed the death squads then and they are now...no one knows for sure who killed fox but i`d place my money on the black opps boys and the iraqi students
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:32 AM
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25. interesting twist
sure
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:32 AM
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26. Only if he were an embryo
Sadly thats really all that Dubyas base cares about.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 01:36 AM
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28. Yeah, Submit an application for protection as an embryo
and W would be plotting out new targets in the ME. Falwell and Robertson would put him up for a peace prize.

I'll never forget the little Iraqi boy who got his limbs blown off in the shock and awe campaign.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 02:27 AM
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32. Hate to burst your bubble...
...but the "American Christians" from whom people like Tom Fox come are already against the war, and have been from the start.

As for the Religious Reich (who remain only a minority of U.S. Christians, albeit a loud one because of their control of "televised religion"), they'll rationalize it that the only "real, Bible-believing Christians" are ones who support their policies. Thus, as ever with them, politics and nationalism trump actual religious teachings.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 10:50 AM
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38. Of course not.... christians love war....
At least that's what history indicates...
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-11-06 11:10 AM
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40. Some background, Tom Fox, Langley Hill Friends (Quakers)
and the Christian Peace Teams...

http://www.quaker.org/langleyhill/
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