This conservative columnist couldn't understand the hate for Bush until now

http://www.suntimes.com/output/steinberg/cst-nws-stein131.html

Why not vaccinate the Right against wrong?

March 13, 2006

BY NEIL STEINBERG SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

Opening shot


Americans who hate George W. Bush -- and there seem to be a lot of them -- really hate him.

Not polite disdain, not curled-lip dismay, but howling, foaming, towel-biting, slam-your-forehead-on-the-floor loathing. Usually, I find that kind of reaction just too glittery-eyed and crazed to embrace; he is, after all, the president.

But I felt a shudder of deep-bone revulsion boiling up in me while reading Michael Specter's report in the March 13 New Yorker connecting the dots on how the Bush administration has kneecapped science in this country.

From quashing stem cell research to promoting the teaching of Christian creation myth in public schools, from gagging government scientists to stifling anti-global warming efforts, the Bush administration is leading a theocratic assault on rationality that we would snicker at in another country but barely notice unfolding here. snip

I knew that the moral mullahs of this country point obsessively to disease and pregnancy in their campaign for sexual inhibition. But I didn't quite realize -- and it embarrasses me to admit this -- that they are also against curing such diseases, so as not to encourage sin. An anti-HIV vaccine, rather than being celebrated, might actually be denied FDA approval -- in this country, of course. The rest of the modern world, unencumbered, moves steadily into the future without us.

Nice to see people are starting to wake up.

Let's hope not.

...of that kind of hate.

NGU.

I'm leftofthedial.

:hi:

but great reply by leftofthedial! I think ClassWarrior is sitting there grinning having set us up for this, but I'll bite too...

Nice to meet you, ClassWarrior - I'm Iowa. :hi:

and I am capable of that kind of hate. I detest that man with every fiber of my being and will until the day I die.:hi:

No offense, & it's completely justified, but Bush inspires a lot of hate. I'm glad this guy is finally figuring out why.

I utterly and truly despise Bush and his cronies. When people accused me of hating Bush, I used to say "Define hate, and I'll tell you whether or not I hate him." I'd usually add that I don't wish any physical harm to him and no harm at all to anyone in his family.

After Katrina, I realized I hadn't hated him before because now I do. I still don't want any physical harm to come to him, and I wish nothing ill against his family (except, maybe for his loathsome mother). What I want for him is utter and total political disgrace. I want every one of his crimes to come to light on the front pages of all the newspapers. I want his nose rubbed in every single death he's caused in the Gulf Coast, among our soldiers, and for every Iraqi he's killed.

I can't watch him without screaming at the teevee, so I gave up. I may fit that guy's description. I'd like to know who purchased his clue. Moron.

My name's Will.

:hi:

has been going full tilt since Clinton was in office.

:hi: Just want to point out Steinberg isn't a conservative, here is another column that has a few points in it that reveals he's actually more of a liberal kind of Democrat.

"I hold out more hope for the right to be re-programmed toward tolerance than for gays to be cured of their sexuality. "

"Why should White House adviser Karl Rove apologize for painting Democrats as a bunch of fawning cowards who wanted to "offer therapy and understanding to our attackers" after 9/11? The shame isn't so much that he said it, but that it's what he and his Republican pals truly believe."

Of course, you are absolutely correct about the "Conservative Projectorama."

More, But you can just take my word for it! ;-)

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/322699p-275661c.html

until Bush's disasterous presidency marched on. It's something I struggle with because it runs contrary to what I assumed was my nature. It's not a comfortable feeling.

I'm Lochloosa. :mad:

I was living a perfectly normal leftie existence, hate-free, until GWB forced his way into my life.

The change in me since the 200 selection is dramatic and not good.

I'm UpInArms - aka UIA!

Glad to meet you!

:hi:

I have never felt this way before in my 46 years. This cabal scares the living daylights out of me. We have never been in such danger before, at least not since the Civil War.

:hi:

Okay, I freely admit I stole the idea from leftofthedial. It was just too good to pass up! :)

Bringing out the best in people.

:evilgrin:


NGU!

"...howling, foaming, towel-biting, slam-your-forehead-on-the-floor loathing." Yup, that's me. On my good days. On 7 hours of sleep and no coffee.

You don't want to see me on my bad days... :evilgrin:

Great to meet you ClassWarrior!

:grr: :banghead: :argh: Guess I am capable of that kinda hate when it comes to Pinhead**.

My name is converted_democrat.. Nice to meet you. :hi:

lol

eyes. I wonder how many of his long-time readers will blast him in the editorial pages this week?

He gives every indication of being a Democrat.

If he's a Republican, he's just about the most liberal one I've ever seen.

The signs are all there. He loved Bush because of his tax cuts and "pro-business" mindset, but things like being anti-science and hating gays goes against the behavioral side of the Libertarian worldview.

He deserted his military unit; I was in at the time so he deserted me. He ripped off stockholders via insider trading; I invest in the stockmarket so he ripped off me. He intentionally lied to Americans about the war which has killed 2300+ of American Servicemembers. He lied to me and my teammates died because of it. I'm neither glittery eyed nor glazed. And I could go on and on, but my choir needs no preaching.

Thanks for the post.

As a human being, the betrayal by duhbyuh and his ilk leaves me almost limp kneed with loathing.
I am not an advocate of the death penalty, but some offenses are so egregious that they represent a fatal disease, a cancer, on human kind and should be destroyed, utterly and their ashes beaten with a stick.

Was he not alive during the Clinton era?

Or a Senator - just mention Teddy Kennedy's name and watch their eyes roll back in their heads and the spittle emerge from their mouths.

The culture of life, my ass.

"The really jaw-dropping part is the administration's view of any medical advance that might lessen the wages of sin. Merck is trying to get FDA approval for a vaccine against the virus that causes cervical cancer and is the most common sexually transmitted disease in the country. Lives would be saved by the vaccine, but the politicized Bush FDA will probably deny approval, as the disease -- like all VD -- is a handy ally to the Religious Right in its battle against sex."

They were capable of invoking, and did invoke, completely irrational hatred in their pursuit of Bill Clinton.

Now they think that is the only flavor.

They can't comprehend the very deep, very real outrage so many of us feel since the coup.

assault on science till they read an article about it NOW?

The media spent 6 years protecting the Bushboy and touting him as a heroic figure and NOW they're just starting to notice he's been wrong infinitely more times than he's been right?

* allowed the worst attack on American soil to occur - it is clear to EVERYONE now he should have stopped it, and he's just NOW getting mad?

He's right about science, but otherwise he's an idiot.

a couple of years ago that I can sit here in the comfort of my home, wired up to the net several hours a day getting all well-informed, and be miles ahead of the jerks who are SUPPOSED to know what's going on because they're paid to do that as a living,

BUT

they are CONSUMERS of their own news as well.

Get it? We all know that consuming MSM news esp. TV will NOT make one well-informed. So, they're consumers of MSM news and they're about as ill-informed as all the other consumers of MSM news.

Reminds me of a WilL Rogers quote that goes something like this:

"The problem is not that you're ignorant, the problem is what you know that just ain't so."

Re >>NOW they're just starting to notice he's been wrong infinitely more times than he's been right?<<

I might have missed what you're referring to. Did I miss it? Thanks.

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ies that I am in utter distain about.

I also experience frequent irritation as with a pesky mosquito. My eyes roll so often that I'm beginning to resemble Ben Turpin.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Turpin

I've hated the guy since late in 1998.

It is generally accepted that a virus, an STD causes it!


The really jaw-dropping part is the administration's view of any medical advance that might lessen the wages of sin. Merck is trying to get FDA approval for a vaccine against the virus that causes cervical cancer and is the most common sexually transmitted disease in the country. Lives would be saved by the vaccine, but the politicized Bush FDA will probably deny approval, as the disease -- like all VD -- is a handy ally to the Religious Right in its battle against sex.

country, he might be surprised at the other areas where the Bushbots have destroyed and denied decades of research and professional expertise: education, aviation, land management, you name it. I have this conversation in any social and professional setting I can by asking the question, "How has your field been compromised since Bush came into office?" The replies are amazing. From medicine, transportation, education, health research, you name it -- the Bushies are "redoing" data bases, tossing out research that doesn't fit the party line, and barrelling on down the road.

STILL isn't a strong enough description!

I can see the next Sun Times editorial headline already: "George W. Bush: Holy, Blameless"


Journalists, freepers, assorted lurkers: We hate George W. Bush because (Take a deep breath) he's actually done a lot of bad things that have hurt a lot of people.

Conservatives hated Clinton for style reasons. Big-ass difference.

I wish this site had been able to keep up their very good work - but this list is excellent.

http://www.wage-slave.org/scorecard_print.html

from Bush on.

Bush's absurdist science policy has never, ever been popular with anyone. So these rubberstamping douchebags can now point to that and say "I don't agree with the President! I never agreed with the President on science!" Ta da! The appearance of not being a rubberstamping douchebag. The mere fucking appearance, that is.

But we will have to start asking ourselves a real strategy question. As much as we'd like to lord it over these idiots in an "I told you so" posture, it may be politically important to welcome them to the fold, to make them feel less defeated when they come over. Something to start thinking about.

but I would debate his last sentence. The rest of the "modern world." Just where is that? I think most of the world, with the exception of Europe (and they have their hands full) is mired in fundamentalism of some type.

We're actually bringing up the rear.

I hate, hate, hate his sins.



Maybe.

...I would not hate George W. Bush"

It's a wonderful frame.

I guess if Richard Lovelace had said it, it would go:

I could not loathe thee, George, so much
Loved I not my country more.

...hence the quotes. Seen locally (Madison, WI) as a bumpersticker, along with such others as:

I Don't Make Enough Money to Vote Republican

Support the troops, not the liars

NEO-CONpoops

NEO-CONspiracy: it's not just a theory anymore, it's Unintelligent Design

BuSHAMErica

FUGWB

Cindy's son volunteered & died / Barbara's son deserted & lied

We're making enemies faster than we can kill them

Impeach Bush for a Blown Job

and I'm not even American.

I see a country that should be great, that should be leading the world in caring for and providing opportunities for its citizens, that should be a shining example to the rest of the world, that should be the country that so many rabid chauvenists imagine it to be.

I see wonderful people here who, between them, have everything that their country needs to be what it could be.

And I see those greedy, lying ass-holes turning America into a replica of all we could fear in the most fundamentalist of muslim countries, while my republican friends judge the merits of the war in Iraq by the current cost of driving their SUVs, and advocate "nuking the hell out of those arab bastards in Iran".

And, as for that pate-patting-pervert's callousness in partying while the poor of New Orleans drowned and starved, well, if I had the chance to kill him I wouldn't ... not until I'd made him long for death for a year or two.

His pat on the back to Brown afterwards was not done in ignorance. He was congratulating Brown on carrying out his secret directive, to prevent anyone, anywhere, from doing anything to help.

He's a journalist and he's just figuring it all out and needed someone else to connect the dots? :freak:

I actually thought he was more a middle-of-the-roader Dem.

The fact that I'm having trouble remembering one way or the other is about all I've got to define his general stance. :-)

Edit: He's a liberal-flavored Dem. He has "high hopes" for Obama. Here's an old column I pulled up. I've gotta say personally, I'd hate it if anyone called me a "conservative" these days. :-)

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/322699p-275661c.html

Join the club:

http://groups.google.com/group/IHBFC

(The I Hate Bush Fan Club)

This is what it took for the guy to open his damn eyes? I have been going into convulsions, foaming at the mouth and spewing every dirty word known to man..... at the sight of the fascist rat bastard since he stole the 2000 election! What the hell takes these peole so long to wake up? Sheesh.:eyes:

It's a sign of love and respect for the values (which * distorts), institutions (which * destroys), and laws (which * ignores) of this country which made it great.

Anyone in this country who questions or criticises this administration is labled a "Bush hater" or "unpatriotic" by his sheeple followers.

Fuck 'em.

...who just couldn't imagine how contrary to common sense Bush science policies would become. There's nothing wrong with him -- he's had an epiphany.

The Bush juggernaut is beyond comprehension to any rational human being. They have been relentless from their first hour in the Oval Office, and they have installed their minions in every office of government, every one of them with agenda in hand.

No one person or committee can hope to keep up with it all, and those who try end up rather as the author describes, looking a bit nuts: "Not polite disdain, not curled-lip dismay, but howling, foaming, towel-biting,slam-your-forehead-on-the-floor loathing. Usually, I find that kind of reaction just too glittery-eyed and crazed to embrace..."

None of us ever thought we'd look like that, and yet occasionally we can't help it, because we are trying to wrap our minds around the incomprehensible insanity that is the Bush regime.

It's a good article -- thanks for the post.

Hekate

Yeah, that is how I feel towards the entire Bush Regime.

foreign policy (PNAC), or the pro-corporation (pro-elite) anti-citizen domestic economic & regulatory policies?

I think the last 2 possibly are more hateful.

The original, horrifying, teeth-gnashing, jaw-dropping story is in the March 13 New Yorker, which is sitting in front of me, but the article isn't available on line.

The author answers questions about the article here:
http://www.newyorker.com/online/content/?060313on_onlineonly01

/Screw cable - for a $50 subscription for a weekly magazine, The New Yorker is the best entertainment value in America (even if they did publish a lying hack job about Wesley Clark....)

Always surprises me when one of them suddenly "gets it"...

when it comes to people "hating" Bush. In their little Worlds of right white might, they somehow believe nobody else can justify their anger towards another "Conservative". Fucking megolomaniacal assholes.

They talk about how these religious hate groups are trying to block vaccines for HPV and other STDs. There's actually a part where they talk about finding an HIV vaccine, and this dirtbag from the AFA or whatever hate group says something like, "Well, if that happens, we'll have to take a look at that." Almost like, "we'll decide if you little people should continue to suffer." Fucking sociopaths. :grr: