From "Buy duct tape!!"....to: "Buy tuna and powdered milk!!!"

These government idiots (with the help of ABC) are still trying to scare the shit out of the public.

Same shit, different reason:


Yes, but where am I supposed to put all that duct tape and plastic we were told to stock up on 3 years ago? :shrug:

:shrug:

the duct tape thing :eyes:



Get nuts too... Fat and Protein are necessary for good health.

:silly: Fruits and Nuts, Untie!!!

I meant the nuts occupying Washington at present.

Well, yes some of us on DU are slightly nuts too (my cat gives me looks sometimes that tell me I'm unraveling), but I don't think many of us are crooks.

And the Anti-Dolphin League.

:shrug:

But I guess if I was faced witht the decision, starvation is a little more dangerous than mercury. (understatment.)

that a person can eat.

I hate both Tuna and Powdered Milk, so I would probably die off pretty quickly. In fact, if that were all I could eat, I would want to die.

I would be more likely to store nuts, organic fruit&nut bars and an entire freezer of Ben & Jerry's.

up in the plastic and secure it with duct tape

I'm waiting for the combo approach -- terrorist with bird flu coughing on americans

After they get done plundering and poisoning the rest of the planet

:silly:

:spray:

store mercury-laden food

relatives. I can see dumbya saying that to the public without even blinking.

something like a human shrinkwrap machine. Just make sure your plastic is the appropriate grade to make it easier on those gov't cleanup folks.

Shit, we should pitch it. Hurricane season is right around the corner.

This message brought to you by Chicken of the Sea.

Michael Leavitt to get him to say this. Funny he should mention powdered milk as well:


Well, it looks like Michael has come up with an idea on "what to do with" all that powdered milk. Sell it back to the American public and PROFIT!

:eyes:

Never heard that in relation to tuna.

http://www.nrdc.org/health/effects/mercury/tuna.asp

Nice, eh?

I haven't eaten the canned stuff in years anyway.

I like the steaks sometimes though. I will have to look out for wild Tuna from now on.

White tuna is worse than "light" (light implies younger) . Steaks are probably the worst of all.

A lot of people don't know this because the tuna industry/gov't get laws passed to prevent warning labels.


Another of today's stories:

Is sushi made with tuna safe?
Survey of top-rated Los Angeles restaurants shows mercury levels about double the FDA standard.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060314/LIFESTYLE03/603140352/1040

Jesus Christ. First mad cow, then bird flu, and now this???

China has greater population densities than we do and few people have contracted it.

If the present bird flu does not mutate to an easily infectious form, we have nothing to worry about.
If it does, and keeps its present lethality, it will be too late then to start making preparations to keep safe.

Even if the virus could not mutate on its own, you could never put it past the bastards in power to mutate it themselves and spread it through the blue states.

Stock up.

the company that developed Tami-Flu

than a little bit suspicious, given these people's steadfast leaning toward the situation in The Handmaid's Tale?????

Remember, the christofascists in the story headed the Republic of GILEAD.

peace.

I was taking a shower.

We have lots of canned tuna. Personally, I hate the stuff -- even when it comes in a baggie -- disgusting! And milk? I have to drink Lactaid because of lactose intolerant.

So, what I'm facing is gas, bloating, nausea, hunger, thirst, and possible death.



Have a good night! We're going to be fiddling while Rome burns -- seeing the preview of "V for Vendetta" -- with a Natalie Portman sporting a shaved head -- tonight.

:spank:

I usually go because my husband takes me out to a "happy hour" dinner at Stanford's Pub and Grill on Multnomah Blvd.

I'm not a particular fan of science fiction, fantasy or action movies. But my hubby likes "dick flicks" and I have to review them on my radio show (usually he writes the review).

Good to know there's an audience! I did (finally) watched Christian Bale in "Batman Begins" on demand a few nights ago! It was a very good movie!

"Vendetta" is getting pretty good buzz prior to its release date.

In peace,

Radio_Lady

Thanks anyway - I'll just have to wait 4 more days. Have fun! By the way, what radio show and what station!?

I'll PM you information on me and my show. Thanks so much for asking! We've been out to Bend twice since moving to Oregon in 1998. It's a different land -- high desert of juniper and sage -- and Bend is growing and GROWING!

Hope you're doing well out there -- I'd love to live on a nice ranch with some horses and a rural life. Here's a picture of my little cowboy, from a greeting card. He's the little blond fella I never had!



In peace,

Radio_Lady

I'm so excited! I got your message and will check out your radio show for sure! That's a very cute picture of your little cowboy. Take care :-)

nt

We'd all end up dying of scurvy.

that Grandma used to put in the jello!

Time to buy stock in the tuna and dried milk companies...

or maybe the liberal under the kids bed

Going potty is another issue.

tuna and milk under the bed? While I agree that everyone should have an emergency kit, tuna and milk under the bed? Duct tape and plastic under the bed is kinky, but tuna and milk? Insert bad joke here.

How many days have we been under the bed?

:rofl:

Then I started thinking of nursing mothers and dried milk after the disaster and decided to go check out other topics.

:spray:

I wouldn't be surprised if they are shipping the infected birds here so they can start an epidemic!!

SCARE tatics between now and Nov. Im seein orange,,,O8)

Wonder when they'll start scaring us in force?

:silly:

The goblins are gonna get you if you don't watch out!

Source: Scholars who follow the Jewish Kosher laws. Also prohibited are: pork and shellfish.

To me, born Jewish, it's a lot of mumbo-jumbo, and I'll have shrimp with my gumbo, please!

infected also? They certainly don't have any vaccines.

The stupidity of this mans scare mongering combined with his mindless suggestion of stocking up on Tuna and powdered milk make me really wonder why we are PAYING these people to do this to us.

That way, you can grow food during the years following The Bird Flu Apocalypse.

Also, invest in home brewing and distilling kits. You'll have something valuable to trade for luxury items, or just to bribe the marauding bands of cannibals to leave you alone.

Consider an old-fashioned hand-powered butter churn or ice cream maker. Again, these will produce rare and valuable commodities during The Dark Years.

By that same token, now would be a good time to consider adopting several young girls-- especially ones with blonde hair and blue eyes.

--Excerpted from The Federal Emergency Management Association's Post-Apocalypse Survival Guide, produced in cooperation with The World Unification Church of Rev. Sun Myung Moon. Copyright October 15, 2007.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Is he still around?

I thought the quote was from the Y2K stuff that was floating around prior to the Year 2000. Y'know, we were all going to have to re-set our technology because banks and stuff would start to read 2000 as 1900, etc.?

One question: Has the virus passed from human to human yet?

I may be wrong though. :shrug:

web sites -- where they were predicting it WOULD happen and definitely COULD happen -- but it hadn't happened yet. So what has changed?

Thanks for your post.

Check this out now:

http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/en/

Another recent story:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/AvianFlu/story?id=1706048&page=1

In peace,

Radio_Lady

but only in a few cases.

but it is a heads up that our medical hospitals couldn't handle it.......

Tamiflu stock for 5 million. I mean, if they were planning a bird flu outbreak, wouldn't Rummy hang on to it?

Tuna, powdered Milk, more terror, Delayed action in NOLA, No warnings for 9/11 nor Katrina(not enough), etc...all bad news...

Under Clinto we had National Debt paid off, DOW going from 2,700 to 12,000, no wars and a blow job....

Lets get Reason and Sanity back into the Picture....

Reason & Sanity IN...Hannity & Colmes OUT!

The Pub View: Bad is Good and vice versa....Seems like they full of excuses and no Meat for the Masses....only more BS.

The functions of all 3 1984 ministries are in effect.

Justice is....:shrug:

Justice is....Corruption.

Big bucks can and will get you off...most of the time....

trying to prop up the price?

used to be 3 for $1, i once even got it for 4 for $1 after chicken of the sea apparently fell off a truck in front of wallyworld but it's 2 for $1 these days -- on sale -- and it has met my price resistance, for that price, i'll have sardines, they taste better and as small fish don't have the mercury

except corporate profits.

WTF is so remarkable about this loser's speech?

Not about the possibility of the flu mutating to H2H transmission, but on what they plan on doing with all that left over tuna and powdered milk. I'm having visions of never ending tuna casseroles. :scared:

plastic covers. Now, I need to make room for Tuna and dry milk? I wish, my government would give me the full list of all the stuff I need, so, I don't waste any more gas running errands.

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

:rofl: Bird flu from Duck tape! I could see Jay Leno dropping a joke like that. Good one!

:rofl:

That's the best they have to offer? Egad!

We have several weeks worth of food in the freezer and if the flu hits the states, we'll put up some more so we don't have to go to restaurants or supermarkets for the duration.

I'm really, really, really, really glad right now that I work at home and we live out in the middle of nowhere. Spousal unit drives to the city to work, but knows how to avoid catching the flu at work. (Spray the telephone and keyboard with Lysol, wash hands a lot, bring lunch from home, send any sick employees home immediately, etc)

tuna:hurts:powdered milk

companies too? Or is he just set to make billions on sales of TamiFlu alone?

I live right here---->

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like, walking distance of the Hayward Fault (not a famous as the San Andreas Fault - but much more deadly), in the Guadalupe River-Coyote Creek flood plain-liquefaction zone, and I used to live in New Orleans.

And, I'm a Red Cross Disaster Service Instructor and a Citizen Corps Instructor.

I'm not waiting for FEMA to rescue me -- I got my batteries, my photovoltaic generator, ten days-two weeks of protein dense food, meds, bottled water, hand wipes, toilet paper (fer crisakes - don't forget toilet paper), cat carrier/cat food/litter, and my 2 meter "MARS/CAP" ham radio. And all of my records to get going again are on DVD.

You're welcome to share - but if to try to take, I've got my buddy "Glockie". Here's "Glockie"--->
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the fascists will do is come confiscate your gun and take you away if you refuse:
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/012274.html
http://www.reason.com/hod/dk091005.shtml
http://www.guncontrolkills.com/?p=44

Maybe it's the benadryl, but I don't get the reasoning.

At least we have some use for the latest homeland security edict! :evilgrin:

Help me, Mike!

:WTF:

:rofl:

vegitarian pride! but not the scary throw-tofu-pies-at-people kind of pride...

Not a vegan, but damn, that's funny!!

.

I think they will declare an emergency to keep people from running on the banks. Our currency is in deep, deep trouble. After martial law is lifted, our money will be worth pennies on the dollar.

... for martial law and martial law will be how they prevent people from demonstrating/rioting/protesting after our economy collapses from (pick from the dozens of causes). It will also allow them to confiscate guns like they did after Katrina in New Orleans.

and how "thin" the now thoroughly depleted National Guard is ---- and food riots after a disaster --- and just before the 2006 elections --- would not be good for the GOP.

I am biased as hades-

* US Coast Port Security Veteran stationed in the Port of New Orleans
* Red Cross Disaster Assistance Team Captain, Disaster Assistance Instructor, Mass Shelter Supervisor.
* Citizen Corps Neighborhood Captain
* Citizen Corps-Radio Amateur Civil Emergency Service HAM Radio Operator
* I am working with several Katrina families.

FEMA and the National Guard have been destroyed by Bush -- and the GOP does not want a repeat of Katrina and the Super Dome and the Convention Center and the Memorial Hospital Euthanasia so close to the 2006 Election.

will be ok? irrational

truly everyone should have a weeks worth of water and food (non-perishable, needs little cooking food) for an emergency because you will be on your own most likely for that long.

about supplies. I guess all those cans of fruit that people keep giving me will come in handy.
Spam, Spam, Spam Spam!

Lots of us are far away from the water & live in pretty safe buildings--so there's no need to evacuate. But power outages are definitely possible.

We used to have occasional ice storms, with more power outages. Recent winters have been especially mild--can't say I miss the ice.

In California, they have Earthquake Kits.

or ice storm kit. Everyone should have 1.

...because if the shit hits the fan as ABC & "federal scientists" illustrated in the article, then the economy will collapse. That means people lose jobs, prices go up, and ENERGY becomes very expensive. Most people won't be able to pay their electricity bill (watch the movie "Cinderella Man" which demonstrates this common occurance during an economic Depression) and natural gas will become WAY to expensive for people with no money.

So, boiling water will only be possible by burning wood (or other combustible materials). Nice world we are being warned about, eh?

is it time for another visit to the solar cooker site? purifying water can be done for pennies w.out electricity

http://solarcooking.org/plans.htm

everyone interested in survivalism even if just as a hobby or as an observer should know about this

pass the word, a few years back as an experiment i made a solar cooker for boiling water from absolutely free materials

a valuable exercise in getting rid of fear

...you seem to have better ideas than him.

i don't really believe in bird flu or the global apocalypse either but if it happens at least i can do it on the cheap!

Since Our Own Gubbmint's "guidelines" call for no more than 3 cans per MONTH, and not even THAT much for your pregnant Handmaiden...

Another Great Idea from the Assholes at Uranus...

"At Uranus, things come out looking a LITTLE bit differently"

for any considerable period of time!? Gross. :puke:

We have this very strange Winter custom in Indiana. When NOAA issues a winter weather watch or warning, everyone goes to the store and buys 12 loaves of Kleenex Bread and 10 gallons of milk. More if they have a partner or kids at home.

Never mind that their NORMAL consumption might be around a gallon and a loaf or 2 for a week. In '78, I was snowed in for 3 days. That's the WORST I've ever seen!

When the snow flies, it's time for Wonder Bread and Moo Jooce!

I was at the store once, and I had a case of beer, and a coupla nice steaks, and some salad fixin's. The couple behind me had 15 gallons of milk and 20 loaves of bread. Hubby looks in my cart and asks "Can I come get snowed in at YOUR house?"

for the reasons you mention tuna is not a good survival food, you should eat small fish that are low on the food chain and don't have time to accumulate toxins like mercury

i like sardines for the survival kit

there is canned chicken and turkey but they taste horrible

even if the bird died of bird flu.

In addition, processors don't accept diseased or dead animals for human consumption anyway. That's 3D (diseased,down or dead) meat that is only allowed to be fed to animals (i.e. dogs)

before you cook it. And birds are showing up with the disease without displaying any symptoms.

this jackass's comments (Michael Leavitt). Watch how far the poultry stock prices drop today. Watch.

We export a lot of chicken and people around the world ain't buying. Look in the business news for the past month and punch in perdue or tyson. They are already hurting.

Maybe when canned tuna and powdered milk are stored under the bed in a very precisely arranged shape they form a mystical force field which will protect you from bird flu.

:think:

Coincidence? I think NOT!

:rofl:

:scared:

http://www.pandemicflu.gov/planguide/checklist.html
There are also sections for health care, business, and community planning.
I read that health care workers in Australia and New Zealand are saying they won't work unless they are guaranteed safety precautions such as masks.
I think they expect each wave to last three or four months if it happens and expect several waves for about eighteen months. Two weeks supplies are definately not enough.

My hubby is a family physician and we are preparing for the possibility. We are taking it very very seriously. We are relying on medical reports and articles as opposed to govt info.
Big business is preparing and there have been conferences all over the globe on keeping business afloat in case it happens.

You can follow the progress of the flu in articles from around the world up to date
Here
http://www.flulab.com/
and here
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/newsfeed/?name=Bird+Flu

A good progressive public health blog
http://effectmeasure.blogspot.com/
Here is an exerpt of his rant today
Let me start with a disclaimer. I think Donald Rumsfeld is a scumbag. If I had to scrape his remains off the bottom of my shoe I'd wear gloves and put a clothespin on my nose. He is a world-class liar, probably pathologically so, and a war criminal. So when I say the insinuation that he and is rotten ilk have engineered a bird flu threat so he could make bucks off his investment in the antiviral drug Tamiflu is ridiculous, it isn't because I think they aren't capable of it. They've shown themselves capable of far worse.

And for general info on preparadness and flu info
http://www.fluwikie.com/
There is a preparadness section with an article by Dr Woodson which tells you how to care for someone at home with the flu among the bazillion other bits of info on bird flu this site has.

otherwise I'll never eat that crap. bird flu or Hurricane Sue I am covered.

nothing wrong with being prepared.

I am hoping we don't get hit again. I used my hurricane supply list and beefed it up to last a good while longer as well as rounding it out nutritionally.

and enough batteries to open up a battery store --- and a photovoltaic cell--->
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and in an earthquake or hurricane or tornado your cell will be dead - thhose cell towers connect through copper wire--- so try Ham Radio---

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i'll give the dude a clue train since he has never had flu, but you cannot get down tuna when you've got it

what's wrong w. some canned chicken noodle soup and a few garlic cloves?

lord oh lord anyone remember that flu of the late 90s that everyone had, i thought i would just lay down and die, but somehow a day or two later i was back at the dice tables and eating the buffets

Flu's hit the U.S every season and many people die from it. Not only that, but ALL FLUS MUTATE FROM BIRDS! Jeezuz!

It's just funny that they are trying scare us now, millions die from the flu worldwide every year!

most flu at least takes the time and trouble to actually exist before people get all whacked about it

this mutation that allows for human to human transmission has never occurred in all the years that avian flu has existed, which i suppose would be millions of years

this is a poultry industry issue, not an issue of general concern

probably makes for some decent late show merriment tho

There have been a few cases of human to human transmission and it is still mutating to easily infect mammals. It may go the distance and it may not to be pandemic but it certainly exists.
Tell these people that it is nothing to be whacked about. Their children died in the past few days and there are more in the hospital.
Azerbaijan: 3 Dead From Bird Flu

March 13, 2006
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(CBS/AP) Tests have confirmed that three people recently died from bird flu, a top Azerbaijani health official said Monday.

Deputy Health Minister Abbas Velibeyov told The Associated Press that tests conducted by the World Health Organization had confirmed the diagnosis of avian influenza in the deaths of three people, who all came from the same district on the ex-Soviet nation's Caspian Sea coast, south of the capital, Baku.

Velibeyov said that names and ages of the victims would be released on Tuesday.

Also Monday, Myanmar reported its first case of the deadly H5N1 strain, and there was a high risk poultry in Afghanistan were also infected, officials said a day after the virus gained new ground in Europe and Africa.

The virus was discovered in wild birds in Azerbaijan last month in an area along the Caspian Sea coast and has spread to the northeast and the southwest near the border with Iran. The deaths are the first reported cases in humans in the country.

Azerbaijan shares a short border with Turkey, where four children died recently of the disease. Bird flu has killed at least 98 people in Asia and Turkey since 2003, according to the World Health Organization. Almost all of the human deaths have been linked to contact with infected poultry, but experts fear H5N1 could mutate into a form that spreads easily among people, sparking a human flu pandemic.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006...le1393075.shtml

there is no h5n1 strain of avian flu in the usa

avian flu in the usa in all of its infinite varieties has always been admirably contained by the usda in order to protect our poultry industry

this strain of flu has killed all of 98 people in a world of billions, and all of those 98 were handling infected poultry under primitive conditions that have no bearing on the poultry industry of the usa

you can live in fear but you have a better chance of winning the lottery, and i got news

you ain't gonna win the lottery

"this strain of flu has killed all of 98 people in a world of billions, and all of those 98 were handling infected poultry under primitive conditions that have no bearing on the poultry industry of the usa"

This is not true. I have followed this closely but then again you were the one who said a while back that the poultry industry wasn't the least bit worried about this flu when I had been reading how worried they were. I think I'll follow the experts opinions, thanks.

Oh, and I am informed AND prepared therefore not living in fear.

Fetch with an infected bird.

Look, people freaked out over Mad cow too... where is that going? NOWHERE.

But rather that it can be contracted from close contact with infected birds.

The last sentence of your snip says:

Almost all of the human deaths have been linked to contact with infected poultry, but experts fear H5N1 could mutate into a form that spreads easily among people, sparking a human flu pandemic.

Trust me, when/if it makes this mutation we will all know about it. This is when we can begin work on vaccines and we will finally know how severe a flu it will be in humans. It could also weaken when it mutates to H2H transmission and become another run of the mill seasonal flu.

not in Azerbaijan though it is looking like a cluster in this new case with sixteen in the hospital.
And yes there is no sustained human to human anywhere. We will for sure know when and if it does go pandemic.

I knew I couldn't have missed something as big as it having went H2H.

I see no reason why everyone should have a panic attack over it. I am an RN, I have read all of the journal propaganda... I am simply NOT WORRIED. :shrug:

and I have read all the journals too and i am worried. Isn't your hospital in planning mode? I am retired but keep up with the journals and also read my husbands medical journals. There is a lot of good info out there.

That's what hospitals are all about! PLANNING.

I am not worried about the bird flus, it's killed 98 people in underdeveloped contries that had access to live birds.

No one is worried about the flu in it's present form but you know that. Are you happy with your hospitals plan? The hospital hubby is affiliated with has a shit plan and most of the nurses I know are not too sure if they will show up as there are no arrangements for ppe being made.

I am in a private surgical practice now. I will work triage when they understaffed or overloaded, just pulled a 12 hour shift last weekend... :)

I am not at all worried about our hospitals plan, it's been covered to death. After 9/11 we had a new contingency to learn how to deal with a catastrophic event... we did drill after drill....

And OF COURSE they are stockpiling Masks, medicines and PPE, they have been doing that since 9/11.

We are OVERLY prepared. I just don't understand why people are FREAKING out about this, I am much more concerned with bacterial health at hospitals than I am the bird flu!

I am seeing. Good for you and them! :)

Is your husband a physician? Did I get that right? :)

Is he employed through the hospital or does he use the surgical suites?

Here's the deal, I think that most hospitals ARE doing what they need to do, atleast the ones here in our network are and we are big metropolitan area.

I'd like to know where you base your " exception to the rule " on. Just curious.

with hospital privilages at three large hospitals here in Florida and no, the planning is way behind. If we did have a pandemic and staff were using disposable n95 masks and ppe the correct way they would be gone in no time. The government is actually trying to find out if these masks(n95) can be used in a more extended fashion and the answer after the study is no. Surgical masks would of course be useless.They expect to be overwhelmed almost immediately if it happens.

Meanwhile, I am stocking my husband up for his office and staff.
I have a lot of friends I used to work with who are still nursing and they are worried as they don't want to
be exposed without protection in the worst case scenario.

Dr Webster said the other day he thinks it is a fifty fifty chance either way it will go pandemic. If it does there won't be time to prepare so I'll spend a bit for some supplies for his practice and we can always use them anyway if it doesn't happen. Regardless it will end up endemic in birds here and there will be isolated bird to human cases around for a good while to deal with even if it does not make the jump to H-H

It gives me the illusion of control to prepare. Just like hurricanes. I prepare every year and never had to use my preps till we got hit with three in six weeks two years ago. The stores were empty and no gas available and no power but I Cruised through the whole mess with all I needed. :)

until Human to Human contact has been established here in the states.

I just can't go by your "exception to the rule" comment because I know several health professionals that have busted their behinds to help combat anything that might happen. This whole thing reminds me of the Y2k scare, our hospital was put under red code and we all had to stay and work 16 hour shifts.... all for NOTHING. We laughed about it later, but I think we were prepared! We had back up for EVERYTHING. Preparedness means alot of things to people, but I am certainly NOT at all worried about this "bird flu" we've been though so many bird flu scares in the past.

:hi:

you will be competing with 3oo million other people for supplies. The models show it will break out simultaniously all over the country. We will be lucky to get a weeks lead time if it goes human to human overseas.
Have you seen Dr Osterholm's lecture?
http://www.wilsoncenter.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=news.item&news_id=145329
He explains the ramifications and it is pretty bleak but a great lecture. I'd love your opinion on it. It is about 45 min long and the q and a at the end is worth watching.
My BIL works in food distribution mgmt and they have plans to disquise trucks and drivers so they do not get mugged on their way to delivering food. They are worried as there is a real shortage of truckers as it is right now.
Since if it happens it will probably be a eighteen month event in waves that means a whole lot of PPE.
As I said I need the illusion of control being prepared gives me esp if the govt pulls a special skills type of draft and hubby is lassoed in.

after watching the lecture... the real issue is that only 98 people have died of this strain.

So, it ,migrates to the United States and what? We all die? There really is no difference between this and SARS, think about it... EVERYONE was flipping out and NOTHING happened. While I can agree with all of us being prepared for a global health issue, this really isn't the one.

I wonder why so many health care professionals and others are so focused on this while AIDS is running RAMPANT and HEP C is a HUGE threat to us... makes you wonder....

Have you looked at the HEP C threat and it's numbers to health professionals lately?

Dr Webster on the news tonight. He was called out of retirement to work on this problem and he reiterated it has a 50/50 shot but in his opinion it is going to happen. He said he has stored supplies. He is working on a vaccine.

This flu is spreading in birds all over the globe. As it spreads it increases the odds it will go pandemic. He said half the worlds population could die. I think that is what makes it more urgent than the other diseases you mention. This would devastate the worlds economy and be hell on earth. People who did not become ill and had not prepared might starve. This happened in places in 1918 as people were so afraid they did not help neighbors while other places did better as a community. This would be Katrina on a global scale.

With SARS it was big droplets and you knew when someone was infectious so it was easy to nip in the bud with quaranteen. With flu you are contagious before you show sx and can infect an enormous amt of
people before you become ill. I hope he is wrong but I am worried when an expert of his calibur is worried.

An article on his statements today
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/AvianFlu/story?id=1724801&page=1
There are "about even odds at this time for the virus to learn how to transmit human to human," he told ABC's "World News Tonight." Webster, the Rosemary Thomas Chair at St. Jude Children's Research Hospital in Memphis, Tenn., is credited with being the first scientist to find the link between human flu and bird flu.

Webster and his team of scientists are working to find a way to beat the virus if it morphs. He has even been dubbed the Flu Hunter.
snip
"I personally believe it will happen and make personal preparations," said Webster, who has stored a three-month supply of food and water at his home in case of an outbreak.
snip
"Society just can't accept the idea that 50 percent of the population could die. And I think we have to face that possibility," Webster said. "I'm sorry if I'm making people a little frightened, but I feel it's my role."

Most scientists won't put it that bluntly, but many acknowledge that Webster could be right about the flu becoming transmissible among humans, even though they believe the 50 percent figure could be too high.
snip
That is why nearly every viral scientist in America, perhaps the world, is waiting and watching the avian flu virus to see if it remains just a threat to birds or changes its genetic code and becomes a deadly threat to humans as well.

in Dr. Webster.

Myself, I prefer to go on medical journals and real life experiences.

I am also curious as to why you didn't answer my question about AIDS and HEP C, talk about a pandemic!

He is one of the top virologists in the nation though.
Virologists all over the world are saying similar things. I have watched this thing like a hawk for the past year.

JAMA and the Lancet have had some good articles recently describing the sx of the people who are getting it now from birds and we are talking ARDS, DIC,cytokine storm, cavitations in the lungs of survivors, etc. The patients present with wacked out bloodwork and fever and it goes downhill for most from there and most need ventilator care for an extended amt of time to survive if they do. There are several strains in play of this virus too. The one in Indonesia right now has a high death rate.Personal experience doesn't mean much unless you lived in 1918 which had a similar sx set as this flu.We haven't seen anything like it since then.

AIDS and Hep C are real problems though chronic in nature and I am not sure what it has to do with this subject. They are also problems to be dealt with but would be dwarfed if this thing does hit.
Africa is in sad shape. Niger is full of malnourished and starving people and they are being made to give up their chickens to be culled. Some experts are saying that the high AIDS rate in Africa and lack of medical infrastructure will let infected people carry the virus for longer due to their immune system and make them a prime mixing pot to brew a strain that could be a potential start location of a pandemic. Some say Asia.

As I said If my husband is to work in such a situation I am making sure he has some protection and that we have supplies ready. I wouldn't want to lose him because I blew it off. If it doesn't go pandemic the supplies will be used anyway. I have enjoyed talking with you. :)

of non-perishable food, bottled water, etc., in case of an epidemic. They thought it all through very carefully, and they would be able to live without going out for a very long time. Personally, I would have a very hard time keeping my family isolated that long, so I hope it never becomes necessary.

i don't want to point to any one religious group but there is a particular group that routinely wastes their family's money on stockpiling for 12 mos. and they've been doing it at least since the 70s

the bad thing abt this is you either waste your money, because the stockpile is never used, or you waste your health, because if you properly rotate the stock, you are always eating out of cans

anyway i've been thru evacuation/disaster, reality is that you can't tote all that water and food with you, enough really is enough, in the event of earthquake hurricane flu california falling into the sea global thermonuclear war greenland dropping into the atlantic ocean (or is the canary islands supposed to drop into the ocean?) then you will likely need to be light on your feet and ready to move to safety

12 months of crap ain't going w. you

and eat what you store. Rotate. No waste there. I normally eat fresh. Therefore I have stored the closest things to my regular diet but dehydrated or in cans.

they'll enjoy eating through all that canned food. They ordinarily eat high-quality, fresh organic stuff. (They're adamant that they will eat (not give away) everything they bought, even if there's no disaster.)

There are a lot of food banks who would love the stuff.

:shrug:

because this scares people more ya see,
to be told that

Powdered Milk! Our government is SO SMART!

in order for a pandemic occur? I was under the impression that this disease does not pass from human to human yet and that the only way to contract this flu at this point would be frequent close contact with chickens?

there is no reason to worry, it's all a scam to allow rumsfeld to make a profit on tamiflu sales

way way way blown out of proportion

all this over a mutation that hasn't happened and may never happen to a virus that isn't even in the americas!

Being that the scientists admit they know little about viruses I would take that as a guess.
News from today
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/13/health/main1393075.shtml

It could just be like any other flu virus after the mutation, they don't know for sure.

It is causing cytokine storm in people with good immune systems. It is not like a normal flu and I have read nowhere that anyone expects it to weaken into a form like a regular flu.

Everything else is second guessing and precautions with a healthy dash of fear for flavor. It may never even make the transition to H2H, but most think that it will. If/when it does they have no way of predicting what it will be like after the mutation, they have some great educated guesses, but no real rock solid proof.

It's a virus and virus' like to keep us guessing.

I hope it does not happen. It would be a nightmare. Especially since so many are counting on a vaccine.
Dr Andrew Fauci says it will take 3-5 years once we have a vaccine prototype to be able to produce enough vaccine for the U.S. population and that production will be limited because of scarcity of sterile chicken eggs and manufacturing facilities.

I do think they have an educated guess and that they are preparing for the worst.

most scientists seem to think it will happen. The question no one knows the answer to is how severe the human-to-human form of the flu will be. If a severe human-to-human form breaks out, there could be a lot of panic buying, so gradually stocking things you will actually consume and rotating your supplies wouldn't do any harm. 'Course, if the govt's goal is to minimize trips to the store, why didn't Fearmongers'R'Us mention toilet paper and lightbulbs? :shrug:

?

Why the hell is it TUNA we need?

These people have completely lost it.

:rofl:

flu as an excuse to declare martial law.

...http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=647142&mesg_id=647998
You're not alone on that one.

eh hehehehe knew they'd buy it.


"Dahlink I'm not veeling so vell, perhaps I've gut duh bird flu from you"

I met a guy at a conference last week who said his son's company has developed a vaccine for the bird flu. I haven't read about this development yet so my assumption is that, if the information is correct, the vaccine is in the testing stages...

human to human mutation hasn't occured yet - so there is no way they could create a vaccine for a bug that doesn't exist. It's probably for treating the bird to human form of the bug. Who knows. :shrug:

from the walking infected so you can east your tuna in safety?

This suggestion is so specific, so unlike any other disaster-preparedness guidelines, and so unlikely to be useful (unless you eat lots of tuna and powdered milk, your emergency stock isn't going to get rotated and will eventually expire) that I find it really frightening.

The government is basically telling the citizens to act irrationally...and that's a scary precedent to set.

Tucker

They just wanted to see if we're foolish enough to follow their suggestion.

Perhaps they plan on telling people to wear their undies on their heads to avoid contaminated bird poop bombs next. :shrug:

:crazy: :silly: :rofl:

I don't get it.

1.5 BILLION?

This is scare tactics, yes.

OTOH, I am an introvert; one who can survive without socializing. How about the rest of the country? :evilgrin:

It's a good idea to keep a certain amount of shelf-safe food, light sources, heat sources, a radio for news, and water or the means to purify water on hand for emergencies. Whether it's bird flu, earthquakes, floods, or even shipping strikes, disruptions to public utilities and food distribution do happen.

The best way to do this is NOT to have an "in case of emergency only" box of food stored, but to stock your shelf-safe foods and beverages in your pantry and use them all the time. Rotate your stock, using the oldest first, the same way the grocery store sells it. Ensure that you consistently replenish your stock. In this way, you will not find yourself with expired emergency foods when you need them the most. Also, and this is especially important if you have kids, you will know what you and your kids will eat and how to make it. If it turns out that your two-year-old absolutely will not eat the chicken soup you have 18 cans of, you and your two-year old will be a lot more unhappy than you need to be. If it turns out that the vacuum-packed mushroom stroganoff you have a whole flat of in the basement gives you the shits, you really aren't very prepared! Being able to make familiar dishes out of familiar goods will be good for your mind as well as your stomach.

Keeping the means to purify water and provide heat and light on hand does not necessarily have to be an expensive proposition. Your household does not need to do all of it. Get with your neighbors, your neighborhood watch, your condo or apartment or homeowners' association, and decide who is responsible for which part. If possible, organize these associations to use dues collected to purchase the expensive parts - a water purification unit, a generator, a portable shower, a chem toilet - for the use of the association.

Such organizations can also be valuable for maintaining communications. Set up a communications tree. Know who is responsible for contacting whom. This can be critical in times of disaster.

IMHO this sounds like the PSA that *should* be coming out of Health and Human Services, FEMA, and other government agencies. Instead, we get "omg duct tape and plastic" and "keep tuna and powdered milk under the bed!". It seems to me that if these agencies can't manage to make the recommendations that any Floridian knows, they can't really be serious about getting Americans prepared for disruptions and disasters. They're making half-assed token gestures to keep people in a state of panic and fear, that if faithfully followed, will make any such disruption or disaster much worse than it actually needs to be.

IF I HAD FUCKING BED!!! :rofl: :mad: :rofl: :mad: :rofl:

At least my inflatable mattress will float the next time it floods in New Olreans. :eyes:

I know some restaurants substitute it sometimes.

And here's what you do with all your extra duct tape, file83

:shrug:

:rofl:

Considering how few of us there are, that won't run out anytime soon.

to resist saying, "You stupid hippies can just go f.uck yourselves!" ? Thank him for his restraint...the insanity we have seen him spewing thus far is only the tip of the iceberg.

in a few months. Now THAT'S scary. :scared:

If * wants to drop a bomb on our heads, (make NO mistake, no matter who drops it, is is *'s fault)
if the bird flu gets me or a mad cow somehow convinces me to partake of meat (which I never do) and somehow I become ill and die, SO WHAT?

* can scream TERRA TERRA TERRA all he wants. He can scream till he's hoarse. I'm not listening.
Nothing comes out of his mouth that isn't a lie, and anyone 'catapulting his propaganda' is doing the same thing. So the MSM can shout BIRD FLU all they want. I'm going to go about my life and think of the blessings to come if any of this ever does happen to me.

The blessings? I would never have to hear that a$$holes name again. :evilgrin:

The cans and boxes are really uncomfortable to lie on. Can't I just stack them in the corner of my room?

Remember also to stockpile white or rose wines. Possibly Zinfandels. Do NOT under any circumstances hole up in your home drinking heavy red wines with fish....

All their supposition means nada because this virus is not moving efficiently from birds to humans and is NOT mutating to a human-to-human virus no matter how many times they shout "FEAR, FEAR, FEAR!"

This is all bs. The question is...why?

That's the only question rational beings should be asking.

As for the tuna and powdered milk...why be so specific? Why not just say canned goods and water (which is needed for the powdered milk to be useful)? Do the tuna and powdered milk industries need a boost or something? :eyes:

during crisis. It sounds like the Atkins diet if you ask me...

Sounds exactly like the atkins diet, which, btw, doesn't approve of:

:popcorn:

Their loss. :shrug:

His cat told him to say that. That's who wears the pants in that family, I guess :evilgrin:

And under the bed? WTF?

I don't have water in my bedroom -- am I supposed to open the tuna in the bedroom and then travel downstairs to get water to add to the powdered milk?

How does that save me?

Why would there be germs in my kitchen that wouldn't be in my bedroom?

More importantly...Does this mean if I am holed up in my bedroom eating tuna and powdered milk that when I can't pay my mortgage (because I am hiding from bird flu) that the banks won't come around to evict my ass from my tuna/ powdered milk lair?

additionally...why not canned sock eye salmon?

Why not canned oysters?

Hell...what's wrong with devils food ham? Or spam?

Do the right wingers have some issue with the above products?

Canned chipped beef?

What gives? why tuna? why not condensed milk?

Inquiring minds need to know.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I think I'd rather take my chances with the bird flu!