Do Texan's really speak 'texan' wtf

what the fuck is texan, is that a mix, is it a dialect of its own. Heads of state's come to the pig farm and speak 'texan' to bush. bush* never ceases to amaze me. listening to msnbc's trash

but then he ain't a texan anyway.

Bush doesn't.

:shrug: (It's a variant on 4th-grade English, I think.)

...compared to wannabe Texan Bush.

both exceed 4th grade expectations.

Quit pointin' out the truth like that! Boy, howdy, that chaps my hide. I'm fixin' to get mad, now, ya hear?

:rofl:

That's from me, a Texan, and every other Texan I know.

There is no Texan dialect, he's trying to make ALL of us in the Lone Star State look like the lame brained assholes that vote for him.

and lots of them overlap.

West Texans may say "Shire" instead of "shower".

Lots of us say "Fixin' to" instead of "about to" (I'm fixin' to make some coffee.)

Once I had Yankee friends spitting up with laughter when I referred to the "sticker-burrs" that populated a vacant lot. Seems the rest of the country calls them something less redundant.

In college, it was pointed out to me that "pen" and "pin" aren't pronounced the same, and there are other idiosynchrasies like those. Every region has them.

What Bush affects is "Preacher talk" - - and I don't mean good preaching, either. Episcopal Bishop John Hines could preach, and it was a profound experience to listen to him.

The mugging, conning, lying kind of preacher-talk Bush uses is solely for one thing: to convince people he's just folks - - one of us - - and you can believe anything he says.

This cloying talk drips with "Aren't I cute?" and a fair amount of ridicule for anyone or any point of view that differs from whatever bush is selling.

There is also an under-message in everything he says that warns that you will be ridiculed if you disagree with him. This is, unfortunately, very effective because there is almost no way to fight ridicule.

set around and tell busha' (lies) and then I realized one day that they weren't listening to what I was saying but to the way I said it. Northeast Oklahoma 'Country' talk and that comes with a draww

Most of those overlap through the whole south.

add a few colorful word perhaps. And we do have a few expressions that may not be documented in a dictionary.....But Bush does not speak Texan. I think that is a Conn. cheerleader speak dialect. Besides, a real Texan......
would whop ass. Bush is a candy ass.
can ride bikes (Lance Armstrong). Bush can't find his way out of the brush.
know what a ranch IS. Bush mistakes his lawn for a ranch.
can milk cows. Bush milks anything-for a photo op.
president is LBJ. Bush is a product of the east coast.
hones up to his mistakes. Bush blames everyone else or makes excuses.
know the difference between the truth and a tall tale. Bush, well.......

i speak texan better than my texas husband and two texas boys. i love texan. you know.... tarrrrrrd = tired. anyway, my oldest listens to bush speaking texan and he gets mad, says that isnt true texan.

And none of us say "tarrrd" for tired.

I must admit to using "Y'all", but otherwise I lost my accent when we moved to El Paso, where the only noticeable accent is the Mexican lilt.

You remind me of the neighbors who moved in next door to us from California when I was a kid. On the day they arrived, they were all decked out in very fancy cowboy boots & hats, which made all of us neighborhood kids snicker, since almost nobody dressed like that in El Paso, except for the very few people who work in agriculture and ranching, (and even then, baseball caps are more common than cowboy hats) immigrants from other states. My stepmom, who's an Iowan, always wears those silly western getups.

what i am reminding you of isn't my reality. there are words that are drawn out in slowness here in town by a lot. and we absolutely do have accent in this area. it isn't a lot of the dallas or houston draw. it is a more lazy draw in this area. there are a few with full blown speech not many. it hasn't mattered where i live, what accent i am around is what i pick up on. my oldest son does the same. i lived in calif, but the middle part of calif. i would go to other parts of calif and people would call me on it. some people just naturally hook up to sound.

if you are suggesting that i am wrong and there is not an accent..... i say you are wrong. i lived here for a couple years and moved back west. i didn't hear the accent, everyone else did.

so snicker away

my husband was from a family that took pride in articulation and have a snobbish attitude toward the texas draw. they see it as uncultured. i am not nearly so snobbish, nor prejudice. i think it is a fine sound, and i embrace it.

Believe me, it's a good-natured snicker.

And I know what you mean about the accents. It starts to rub off on me when I visit our country relatives, but it's kind of embarrassing when it happens. I feel like I don't sound like myself.

I have audiocassettes of my brother and I from when we were little kids in East Texas, before moving west, and we had VERY strong accents then.

Didn't mean to paint you as a poser. Your post just reminded me of that family, who we are still friends with 20+ years later.

I've never heard any of them say "tarrrd" for tired either, nor do they even say "Y'all". My husband has some funny sayings like "That dog won't hunt" and others, but he doesn't speak with a drawl or any accent really. I'm a Native Californian, lived there up until '92, I don't speak "Texan" either.

have something you have to learn from me." And he doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about. He is sickening.

Southern drawl or cajun patois in the east, hick accents in the north and central areas, Tex-Mex accents along the border, and a pretty typical accent-free American in far West Texas.

Being a non-native Texan, Bush speaks NONE of them fluently, but rather speaks a strange mishmash of hick, Kennebunkport frat-boy, and drunken lush.

Yes, I can figure out pretty much from someone's accent exactly where they live in the state, but we all use the same language, terms and vocabulary.

Sorry if I sound like I'm sensitive on this point, but I hate how that poseur tries to paint himself as some dumb country fuck to get votes and drags the rest of Texas down w/him in the process.

Now, we have some FABULOUSLY COLORFUL sayings and analogies - just listen to Ann Richards, Molly Ivins, Tommy Lee Jones, etc or read about LBJ.

Biting, intelligent, and lightning fast wit IS a true Texan trait - and you can see by that criteria, Bush doesn't even come close to the real deal!

yee haww

Sorry for incorrectly using the terms interchangeably.

"I am delighted to be here with you this evening because after listening to George Bush all these years, I figured you needed to know what a real Texas accent sounds like."
<1988 keynote address, Democratic National Convention>

completely blindsided her, and me.

And 'somehow' she 'lost'. Yeah. Riiiiiiiight.

Talk about blindsided. The descent into hell for the state and country began then.

:applause:

as Governor. Classy lady, sharp, fast, shot from the hip, took no prisoners type lady. To this day I don't think she lost to little lord pissy pants fair and square .

Remember when Junior last spoke to the UN? (Before the trip that included the famous "I think I have to go to the bathroom note" to Condi, I mean.) Nary the trace of an accent. A proper little Yalie, he was. Ain't that a miracle? :eyes:

He really is a poseur. For pity's sake, Jeb was actually born here and spent more formative years in the state than Junior and HE doesn't have an accent. Another miracle. Pfffft.

I'm going to miss him. His colorful analogies were frequently more interesting than the news itself.


I don't think you're being overly sensitive at all, Justitia. It must hurt a lot, to have to watch that mean-spirited small-minded man as he gleefully butchers your state's reputation. There are many of us out here who know that his version of "Texan" is a crass, opportunistic front. I suppose he decided to glom onto Texas culture because so many people see it as authentic, generous, and decent -- and he was hoping that people wouldn't realize that he just put on a cowboy hat and a fake accent, with none of the wit and empathy shown by the people you mentioned.

His schtick that night had me in stitches! To this day, I have no idea if he was putting us on with all that or it was just flying out of the Texan lobes of his brain unfettered.

I kept asking my husband "Is he for real?" Even now, it still makes me chuckle.
I will miss Dan like West Texas misses water in August :D

Thanks for understanding on the Bush Black Eye thing. I usually just take it in stride, it is to be expected. Texans have a lot to explain and apologize for in my book, but it certainly isn't true of all of them, and I think people have an exaggerated idea of how much support the Bushes really have here.

We have a history of some real strong Dems, even if we are a bit in the trenches just now. We are coming back though, way better than even a year ago.

Meanwhile, everyone else proceed with all the Texas jokes, we've gotten a thick skin and we have a good sense of humor - just be nice to your fellow Dems down here in enemy territory

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until DeLay gerrymandered the redistricting map. They were for the most part conservative DEMS, but DEMS none the less. People keep forgetting that part of our history. The DEMS will come back too. We are tough as a corn cob (you don't want to know the origins)....even more so now. It will be hotter than a 2 dollar pistol round cheer come voting time. The GOP will try to lick us up good but it haint fixin ta work. Time ta let the fat hogs out an the lean hogs in. An Bush, most of us woodn't piss on hem iffin his ass was a catchin.

Now THAT is a Texan. George Bush is an effete, northeastern poseur.

its hard to learn to talk with something in your mouth

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Ann Richards is a hoot and a half! :rofl:

Stupid is the only thing he does well.

(and they are real Texans, not fake ones like Bush) have a variety of accents, but none are as strong or distinctive as a Southern accent from someone in the Shenandoah Valley (which is a subdialect of its own) or some parts of Georgia. My brother in law, a sixth generation, sounds like he's from New Jersey, but that's where he lived for several years before returning to Texas. My dear husband has a speech impediment which some mistake for a really unique accent.

Illiterate, ignorant, inbred-hillbilly retard.

P.S. I am not overly fond of Texas, as I once had the extreme displeasure of living there...

Illiterate, ignorant, inbred-hillbilly retards presently proud to reside in this great state were grateful you chose to inflict yourself elsewhere. Good luck in your new environs. I'm sure you will do well.

I have not had problems living ANYWHERE in the world (have lived in UK, Ireland, Germany, Canada, St. Lucia and USA (OH, MI, TX)) except TexAss...

I had not gotten into a fistfight since the seventh grade, but I got into two while living in TexAss (I started neither of them and yes, I kicked TexAss butt in both). I have not gotten in any since I moved (over 7 years) from Texas, either. I have never met a bigger bunch of drunk-ass, gun-toting, knuckle-dragging wastes of space in my entire life. I had previously romanticized about living in the South, but actually living in Texas cured me of any romantic illusions I ever entertained about Southerners.

I am (almost) sure that not EVERY SINGLE TEXAN is exactly like EVERY SINGLE TEXAN I met there.

BUT: I have lived there, so do not presume to tell me what Texans are like. If you ARE a Texan, you cannot possibly know or understand with any kind of objectivity, whatsoever. After living in other states, other provinces and other countries, I have a valid basis of comparison. I KNOW EXACTLY what Texans are like, and I stand by my original comment.

I do not mean to tar EVERY SINGLE TEXAN with the same brush, but I did not meet ONE SINGLE TEXAN in the THREE YEARS I lived there worth keeping in touch with. I still keep in touch with many friends from Europe, the Caribbean, Cleveland, OH and Troy, MI, however.

I have never been so grateful to leave anywhere in my life!!! My company could have sent me to Timbuktu afterwards and I would have been ecstatic JUST TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF TEXAS!

On a lighter note, I DID like San Antonio (but I unfortunately had to live/work in the DallAss - Ft. Shitless area). What a beautiful city!

I certainly have - lots of places - and travel all over the world frequently.

Your cartoonish representation is really narrow-minded and mean-spirited.

You "know exactly" what Texans are like? So, you've met each and every one of us?

I think I'd remember you.

Read the caveat:

I do not mean to tar EVERY SINGLE TEXAN with the same brush

And you are correct. It IS mean spirited. It is also UNFAIR, and I will admit, somewhat cartoonish - but this is what I have from my experiences there. I just kept running into the "same type" of person, if you will forgive one further unfair generalization...

I have never been so miserable in my entire life. I used to call in sick about every second Friday, just so I could catch a flight OUT OF STATE one day earlier.

There simply isn't ANYTHING about the state or the people I met while living there to commend them. Have none of you never been anywhere you ABSOLUTELY HATED? Never met a group of people or subsection thereof that yuo just couldn't get along with?

If I've offended some people here, just look at the username and consider the source.

awful experience here in Texas. I regret that you have such negative memories of the Lone Star State. Apparently you landed in an especially tough corner with some inhospitable citizens, and that reflects badly on us all.

I really do hope one day you can maybe reevaluate your impression of Texas.
We WERE a great state once, and we have had some incredible leaders and citizens make great strides for this country, I wish everyone would remember those legendary Americans when they think of us.

Would some incredible barbecue, Austin music or Mexican food from San Antonio (my hometown) help?

That is absolutely the worst attitude I've ever seen in my life. I've got an objective opinion; I've lived in TX, WA, FL, PA, OK, St. Thomas, and London. I've made friends in each and every place, no matter how much I hated living there.

Being friendly comes from within, and I don't think you've got the friendly gene. Too bad for you.

One of my favorite Democrats of all time said this: "I joked about every prominent man of my time, but I never met a man I didn't like".

My gut feeling is that Texas is better off without the likes of you.

hmmm... lemme see: you hadn't been in a fistfight since the seventh grade, yet you dealt asswhoopin's to two illiterate knuckledraggers who were obviously used to fighting. Yeah, I'm buyin' that.

the old boy who brags about getting 'ass' or kicking 'ass' ain't doing either

I'm usually more of a lurker than a poster, but this fool hooked me right quick.

I see you're from near my ancestral home: Tahlequah. My Grandfather was 100% pure Cherokee (may the Great Spirit rest His Soul) born on the res. He was a great man who got away from all that and wound up here in So. Cal. building Apollo rockets and Space Shuttles. He wouldn't have much patience for the Village Idiot.

John Ross's original allotment. Tahlequah was the playboy magazine's party college of the year back in the early '70s, don't remember the exact year. Those were the days.

My Grandpa married a white woman in 1946 after getting out of the army. Tell me THAT wasn't considered an interracial marriage. Word is that's why they wound up in So. Cal.

My mom married a paleface as well, so my CDIB only reads 13/64 but I believe that's enough to get me benefits... Someday I have to look into that. I know I'm entitled to use the Tribal Roll numbers of my Great Grandfather and Great Grandmother.

^5

so she never signed on. We have our place in all of our names, still nine of us kids too. Three of my family members have homes there, It was too far for my wife to commute for us though, maybe later. pm me.

I admit, I am not a very outgoing person. I found this difficult in Texas - everyone seemed to be so LOUD. I AM considered by those who know me to be a very friendly person, though. I am also considered cuddly and cute, but this is another issue.

It is not always easy for me to be friendly or to convey mood and emotion through print, either. I tend to overstate, but if the two of us were to have a conversation regarding personal experiences with Texans in Texas, I guarantee that you would be a) commiserating with me and b) peeing yourself by the end of the conversation.

About the fisfights - neither were "knock-down, drag-out" types of fights, both of my assailents were drunk off their asses, and I have been practicing Wing Chun (Kendo, too!) since 1984. I am only 5'4" and about 160lbs - this (and the alcohol) is probably why the unfortunate illiterate knuckledraggers (read: "Texans") decided to try their luck.

I wouldn't break my heart to know that Texas is better off without me. Just knowing that Texas is better in ANY WAY from when I lived there makes me feel a little happier...not happy enough to move back, however.

was entirely different than yours I guess. And I'm from Southern California; a place ridiculed by MOST of those who live to the east or north of me.

I, however, got along just fine in Austin. I found Texans to be friendly, generous, and compassionate. Austin must be different from the rest of the state. Maybe it's the Hill Country part that separates it from the rest. If you ever have the oppornitunity to see Austin, I highly recommend that you visit SIXTH STREET. If you like music at all, it's one of the most interesting places I've ever been.

No hard feelings pardner, I just took exception to your overly broad description of Texans. We probably could laugh together about our experiences there. I had some doozies. HOWEVER, I never pee myself in public.

Lastly, I'd move back in a heartbeat if there were suitable employment there for me.

presidential ranch!) and Houston is a great, big-hearted place to live too (where I am now).

Sure you don't want to come back? We always need Democratic reinforcements!
I LOVE CA, maybe we can start some kind of liberal exchange program...

:hi:

I lived in Round Rock. I'd like to go somewhere like Lago Vista I think. And for the record, I've been to the Big D a couple of times and thought that was a pretty cool place as well! I keep forgetting the name of the place where the bronze horses are, but I thought that was an awesome monument.

Exchange Program huh... Sounds interesting!

:toast: :bounce:

http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/36894

World's largest equestrian sculpture.

The very monument I was thinking of. I first saw it on a trip to Dallas to meet a pen-pal of the female persuasion for the very first time. She took me there. We went back when I went there a year later. MMMMM that brings back yummy memories... :loveya:

It's just too bad long distance romance doesn't work very often. :cry:

Regardless, you made my day with the pics!

Have a Wonderful Evening. I'm on my way to Laguna Beach for a bonfire and bbq with my honey, just the two of us...

http://lascolinasmustangs.info/

If you are in OK, you aren't that far away, they're in the Metroplex.

Next time you head south of the Red River, check 'em out in person.

:dem:

our wayward son, that'll be a must see. In louisiana right now heading back to texas.

Ignore is your friend.

:rofl:

:rofl:

:rofl:

regions have their imbeciles.

Who knew Canadians could be so mean?

(Or maybe Arkansas.)

"Retard" is an offensive name for someone with a disability.

Bush may well be inbred, since his stock is supposedly "aristocratic." He's not quite illiterate, but he's definitely ignorant.

Where did you live in Texas? Some suburban wasteland in the Metroplex? Even the Metroplex (yes, Houstonians like to rag on Dallasites, etc.) has some good people, multicultural neighborhoods, liberalism & the arts. You just need to know where to look.

Thanks for saving Texas the extreme displeasure of your presence. Ignorance knows no national borders.

Edited to add: I hadn't read the post indicating our Canadian Friend actually DID live in the Metroplex.

awl-oil
yaonto- do you want to
wrench- rinse
sank-sink
tared- tired
line- lion
line-lying
line- line
heard- rhymes with beard.
borned- born
dyed- died


I could go on but............

and laugh at one's self sets most progressives and liberals apart from most of ................ the others. Add these:

thank-think
think-thank
drank-drink
drink-whutzat?

warshit-wash it
warshington-washington
mauls-miles
what the fuck over-huh
strews-screws
Kock-pussy
horskoller-pussy

MR DUCKS
MR KNOT
SAR
CM WANGS?
LIB
MR DUCKS

kudos to anyone who can figure that one out...

those are ducks
they are not
yes, they are
see those wings?
well, I'll be
Those are ducks

I saw this version:
cm dux
mr not dux
osmr2 dux, cm wangs
ur ite, mr dux2

mr snakes
mr knot
sar
cm bdiz?
lib
mr snakes

mr mice
mr knot
sar
cm edbd feets?
lib
mr mice

^5!

I'm kinda partial to barley pop myself... gimme a cold can o' skunk piss (coors) anyday!

Anyway, I hear'd them Texas Ladies shore are purdy!

brainch - branch
rainch - ranch

My mom says: hair in 2 syllables, hay-er. She is in East Tx.

not know where it is located look right next to Jesusland on the map.

"Texas Crude" -- by Ken Weaver, R. Crumb

I'm not trying to get this thread OT, but never mind Bush... we all know he's a fake Texan anyhow.

When I was in the Marines (a thousand years ago), I noticed that the Texans always had the most colorful expressions..."shinin' like a diamond in a goat's ass".... "noisy as two skeletons fucking on a tin roof usin' a beer can for a rubber" ....

The book is a compendium of all those great expressions. Suitable for all (crude) occasions.

Amazon wants $35 !!!!! But you may find it at libraries.

durring the 2000 election night debacle.

Skeletons and Beer cans - where do people think of this stuff?

of a good story that I have only found in 3 other places in the English speaking world....Ireland, England, and Australia. The Irish I have known would just as soon cut out their tongue as to lose their accent and they have a saying for ANYTHING. My English friends and I would laugh for hours swapping wry phrases. My Aussi friends-we were on the same mental wave length-don't know if it was growing up in the same hostile wide open spaces...but we connect on a whole different level.

whatever the fuck that means.

Some could have used help from the grammar police, but they spoke English. The Bushies, on the other hand, speak in tongues from what I can gather, which is unintelligible gibberish, but neither English, nor "Texan".

but he doesn't sound anything at all like **.

Far from all.

Just as every other region where English has spoken has produced innovations in pronunciation and grammar, merging some sounds and altering others, so too have the varieties of English spoken in Texas. Of course, the Texas dialects also inherited the features carried by English-speaking immigrants over the last 175 years, imported from wherever they were from. But since immigrant streams were fairly coherent, the dialect regions are also fairly coherent, with more recent changes overlaid on the inherited dialect patterns. Cities recently have grown a lot, largely with Northern or Midlands dialect speakers moving in (some "Midlands" dialects are very close to the social construct we usually call Standard American English). A fair number people speaking more recently mixed American dialects (e.g., Californian) have also moved in. The result is that many urban dwellers are perceived as being "dialectless", or nearly so. They usually attach some sort of social stigma to the older local dialects, a modern edition of the classical Greek view that everybody that didn't speak like them were ignorant barbarians.

http://www.ling.upenn.edu/phono_atlas/NationalMap/NationalMap.html (Labov's website at U. Penn.) sort of sums up Labov's take on the standard view. Scroll down for Carver's map (1987). The dialect boundaries don't continue to the coast mostly because the data's a bit skimpy or the boundaries are ill-defined because of population mixing. The received wisdom is that there are three distinct dialects in Texas (not always unique to Texas, but also found in adjacent territory), with a few subdivisions in each. They can be neatly and rationally defined in terms of of sound change; many of the changes are actually shared with other dialects of American English. Bailey, professor at UT-San Antonio, claimed 10 years ago that there's a fourth, urban, dialect that's currently in formation, based on Texas Poll data (a phone sample). I don't know if he stands by that claim.

http://www.ku.edu/~idea/northamerica/usa/texas/texas.htm contains some speech samples.

The business with Spanish is equally complex. Mexico and Central America contain a variety of dialects of Spanish, and Spanish-speaking immigrants in Houston don't necessarily come from the same places as those in El Paso. Compounding the problem is that Texas has its own home-grown Spanish dialect that's been preserved in some communities since before secession; those communities are now swamped, and the 'native' Spanish dialect is probably just about gone. That dialect bore some traits that were lost or changed in most Central American Spanish varieties.

* would have probably had a Northern dialect early in life (because of exposure to his parents, not because of where he was born--they moved to Texas early in his life), and then been educated to have a northern or 'standard' dialect in school. He lived in at least two dialect regions in Texas, and apparently adopted the local varieties as prestige forms, whether unconsciously, consciously in overt solidarity with those he perceives to be his peers or, like Blair's abandoning his native speech variety when in public, out of purely political aspirations. He's no more aware of dialects and what they are than most Texans or even most people posting to DU, and seems to have also inherited his father's language problems to boot.

he assumed those hilljacks spoke a different language because he had never listened to one before. Well, I guess Oil and Money translates well into New England speak.

cowboys singers with a nasal draw.
Most drive 4x4 vehicles with a big deer guard on the front and never take their four wheeler off the road. Most like to wear cowboys hats and lizard skin boots.
And most Texas ladies need a "come-along" to get into their pants.

Most are friendly and very courtesy until you tell em that junior sucks.

Most Texans I know are nothing like what you've described. And I know plenty that think Junior sucks.

I wish more people could see past propaganda and lies. Very unfortunate. I don't see Texans here ripping CA for electing both Raygun AND Ah-nuld as governors. Raygun was catapulted onto the national scene from that office, but we don't rip the state because of it. :shrug:

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