MURTHA:"Peter Pace Told Me This Last Night-Militarily They Can't Win This"

Joint Chiefs Chairman "Peter Pace Told Me This Last Night:Militarily They Can't Win This": Rep. Murtha...
Associated Press |
KIMBERLY HEFLING |
January 6, 2006 at 11:29 AM


Rep. John Murtha says the military is blaming him for a recruitment slump instead of recognizing mistakes that have led to an enlistment shortage.

"They're trying to direct attention away from their problems," said Murtha, D-Pa., a decorated Marine Corps veteran who has become a leading voice in Congress advocating an early withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq.

Speaking before a town hall meeting on Iraq in Arlington, Va., hosted by Rep. Jim Moran, D-Va., Murtha said Pace called him to discuss the war.

"Peter Pace told me this last night: They know militarily they can't win this," Murtha said.


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The administration is slaughtering our troops in an unwinnable quagmire. Care to rethink your Murtha bashing? Or should you just go on encouraging american families to send their sons and daughters off for more useless slaughter while sliming Murtha as 'unpatriotic' and 'anti-military'.

Until this adminstration stands down, none of our sons and daughters ought to stand up.

To Ed Shcultz. :D

Howard Dean to take his head out of his ass a few months ago. I'm not interested in anything he has to say, the man is trying to take the legs out from under us.

A fucking toady who DOES NOT GET IT. Way too administrative and wonky, insufficiently operational. A factotum who has been promoted well past his competence level, simply because he chose loyalty over integrity. Huge mistake on his part; one he will one day regret.

Old Petie needs to think about Murtha's many friends within the Armed Services, who make the long march up to the Hill to consult with him regularly. Murtha has a better sense of what senior military leadership is actually thinking, because they LEVEL with him and don't give him bullshit when it is facts he is needing.

I am only aware of the courage it took to contradict the torture monster Rumsfeld in a televised press conference, I downloaded the clip from Crooks and Liars and Gen. Pace was very quick and to the point on the duty of any US soldier to stop torture when he sees it and smacked Rumsfeld down when Rummy objected.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/30/international/middleeast/30pace.ready.html

read it and weep--and perhaps reconsider post#2


"Pentagon officials, seeking to play down any hint of a rift between the secretary and his top military adviser over the treatment of detainees, said shortly afterward that aides were going back over the policy and would possibly clarify it.

When General Pace was asked again on Thursday by reporters in Bahrain about the exchange, he said for the first time that he and Mr. Rumsfeld had not really disagreed at all. General Pace said he was talking about the obligations of American soldiers in a war zone like Iraq or Afghanistan; Mr. Rumsfeld, he said, was talking about the obligations of Americans in a nonhostile setting like, say, Tokyo. "

Pace does NOT WORK for Rummy, so there was no bravery involved there. He works for BUSH. Anything coming out of Petie's mouth was put there by the White House. If he is smacking Rummy around, it is because someone at 1600 Penn TOLD him to do so.

I imagine what you are referring to are the remarks by Pace that torture is bad, and if ya see it, stop it--well, I can't give the guy "credit" for that. Kids in basic learn the Geneva Convention guidelines in what, the fifth week of training??? If he said anything other than that, he'd be hung from the highest tree by his fellow General and Flag officers.

Pete is a "short tour" pro; that has been his peculiar talent--stay long enough in a job to punch the ticket, then move up to something better, more highly visible, to gain more influence (often leaving behind a shitload of "plans" that have to be executed by the next poor bastard who follows him--then, when the backbreaking work is done, he takes credit like he actually did the hard job, when someone else had to slog through all the tough stuff).

He isn't EVIL, mind you, just NOT THE BEST MARINE, IMO, to be the FIRST USMC CJCS. More a politician than a warrior. And Christ, we NEED a warrior advising the chickenhawk in charge....

Gen. Pace who took down Rumsfeld (Crooks and Liars had clip) when Rummy said that torture was not the concern of the US military and Pace interrupted to state that if a soldier is physically present, they have a duty to TRY to STOP abuse then and there.

We need to support Gen. Pace and the other Joint Chiefs of Staff who are obviously trying to stop the insane bush/cheney cabal and stop the destruction of our military. Several Generals have been quoted on AOL news, AP feeds, that bush is breaking the finest military force in the world for the past year and a half.

General Peter Pace, USMC
Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff
The Pentagon
Washington, DC 20301

dlink@afis.osd.mil

Nominated - Gen. Pace and Rep. Murtha are risking a lot to tell the truth and to try to stop this bloodbath, never-ending PNAC war on the world.

Pace WORKS FOR BUSH. He is the NSC Military Advisor to the PRESIDENT. He does NOT work for Rummy. It is one of the curious exceptions to the general rule WRT chain of command. There is NO DOD filter between Pace and Bush.

If it comes down to his fellow generals and admirals, and the Monkey--I have to say I don't know what way Pete would jump. He hitched his wagon to the Bush star.

we're going to end up with a war that has VIET NAM'S fingerprints all over it."

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rocknation (two weeks after 9/11)

I hope he is ok. He tried to stand up to Rummy in a news conference, too, recently. Stay safe, General Pace. No sarcasm at all here.

Pace is a very ambitious person. Don't let those boyish, sincere looks sway you. He was Bush's choice to succeed Dickie Myers because he is highly controllable--not because he was the BEST MARINE with the broadest range of experience to become the first USMC CJCS. He says what the White House wants him to say, and he puts loyalty in front of integrity, because it has paid better dividends for him over the course of his career.

1) George Bush has said the same thing. When pressed on the matter of the insurgency in Iraq, Bush said that the war is "unwinnable". Rumsfailed has said the same thing. Ignore the "pep talk" and "propaganda" and you'll hear them saying the same thing.

2) So then that begs the question, "why are we there?" If there is no way of winning, if we will only end up packing our bags, leaving a ruined country behind, why not pack up today?

The simple answer is that we can't. We don't know how. I call it the "Sunk Cost" theory. People are reluctant to give up on investments, projects, even though they are losing money and there is no hope of ever making a profit on it. The person is thinking about how much money he has sunk into his business. He hates the thought that it was all wasted, so he will continue to throw money at it.

Savvy marketeers know this, and they try to get people hooked into "get rich" schemes in real estate. They know that if the person will invest some money into the scheme, they are hooked, and they will keep sucking money out of the foolish "investor".

In Iraq, we have now sunk at least $280 billion dollars. That's only the beginning. None of this has been paid for with current funds.

Cheney is caught.

He looked tired. I fear all the smear tactics are wearing on him. Send him a note and tell him you appreciate his honesty and even more, his courage to do whats right even when his own party isnt. Murtha showed the Democrats what courage looked like, they ran like roaches from the light. Sickening that we have such spineless leaders who are afraid to speak the truth