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misternormal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:07 PM
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Poll question: Early in Nazi History...
Edited on Sat Mar-18-06 03:12 PM by misternormal
... Hitler ordered the burning of the Reichstag, and blamed it on the communists, so that they could be rounded up and executed...

Do you think that Bushco would engineer another large scale "attack", and blame it on Islamic factions in Iran to garner support for attacking Iran?
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verse18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:09 PM
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1. Wouldn't put anything past them.n/t
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:13 PM
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2. It isn't.....
"what" but "when" in my mind. To make this tactic most effective I guess we can figure it will occur prior to the Fall elections. In his (*) warped little mind he'll think of it as a uniting factor!:scared:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:15 PM
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3. I think this is a big fear of a lot of us.
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ChristianLibrul Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:15 PM
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4. ...history
Since the WTC and the bulding next door were brought down with explosives, and a missile (not an airliner) hit the Pentagon, how can anyone doubt that they'll do anything for power?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:16 PM
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5. Absolutely, almost 100% certainty
It would have the added advantage towards numbing people to the new Halliburton Homeland Dentention Camps and putting "fifth columnists" inside.

By "fifth columnists" I mean anyone who disagrees with Herr Bushler.

Arbeit Macht Frei.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:17 PM
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6. Just So You Know, Hitler Had Nothing To Do With That Fire
No kidding. If you go take look you'll find that Hitler had absolutly nothing to do with the fire, it really was set someone else (some retarded guy, no shit) and was just either a freek accident as might happen anywhere in the Cosmos or it was a wilful act by the lord god in order to direct the activities of men thereafter. Take your pick.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:20 PM
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8. i dont buy that
Nobody can prove one way or another who set fire to it. Although the NAZI's did try to blame it on some communist radical.
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misternormal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:24 PM
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10. Perhaps but seems like quite a coincidence to me...
Edited on Sat Mar-18-06 03:27 PM by misternormal
February 27, 1933

The German Parliament (Reichstag) burns down. A dazed Dutch Communist named Marinus van der Lubbe is found at the scene and charged with arson. (He is later found guilty and executed).

February 28, 1933

President Hindenburg and Chancellor Hitler invoke Article 48 of the Weimar Constitution, which permits the suspension of civil liberties in time of national emergency. This Decree of the Reich President for the Protection of the People and State abrogates the following constitutional protections:

Free expression of opinion
Freedom of the press
Right of assembly and association
Right to privacy of postal and electronic communications
Protection against unlawful searches and seizures
Individual property rights
States' right of self-government

Who Did It?

Historians do not agree on who is actually responsible for the Reichstag Fire: van der Lubbe acting alone -- a Communist plot -- or the Nazis themselves in order to create an incident. Writers such as Klaus P. Fischer feel that most likely the Nazis were involved.
But regardless of who actually planned and executed the fire, it is clear that the Nazis immediately took advantage of the situation in order to advance their cause at the expense of civil rights. The Decree enabled the Nazis to ruthlessly suppress opposition in the upcoming election.

http://www.weyrich.com/political_issues/reichstag_fire.html


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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:46 PM
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14. where did you pick up this idea, Thom?
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:55 PM
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15. Read some real history, you'll find it in about 20 seconds flat
Edited on Sat Mar-18-06 03:57 PM by ThomWV
No kidding. It is one of the earliest of urban myths that Hitler had the Richst - I can't spell it - burned down. It really was burned by a guy, who if my shakey memory is working well was a janitor in the building and very much retarded - who had absolutly nothing to do with the Nazi party or any of its apparatus.

So in a way, like it or not, saying Hitler burned it down is much like saying Johnson had Kennedy shot so he could take the Presidency. Might look that way to some, but simply not true. By the way, either way you look at it, or in either case, one can still claim devine intervention. Not very reassuring for born-again crowd.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:38 PM
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18. real history books make my head hurt, but it is very interesting info
thanks for the follow up post.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:47 PM
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19. Thom -- you are correct -- but Hitler gleefully and quickly jumped on it
And used it. Although, I betcha they would have done so if they had thought of it!
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:20 PM
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7. they would if they thought they could get away with it. I don't think the
military will blindly follow orders given current polls, but will have their antennas up about suspicious orders. No soldier wants to take part in killing other Americans, and probably those who unwittingly did on 9/11 by standing down and slightly changing a routine will throw a monkey wrench in the works this time.

It is almost as likely that the CIA would expose or screw it up on purpose too.

So the only questions that remain are how desperate or stupid the Bushies are, and whether the military will turn on them before or after the attack.

In the Soviet Union, there finally came a point where the military refused to follow orders, and in Venezuela, the military got tired of being the bagmen and aborted the coup against Chavez.

I don't think our troops have less humanity than those two examples.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:22 PM
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9. Of course, it's right out of the PNAC playbook.........
just as was 9/11.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:35 PM
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11. I don't believe they engineered the first one.
Although it's possible that they just let it happen.

They don't need another attack. 9/11 is the gift that keeps on giving to the Republican Party.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:39 PM
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13. Felt the same way until I saw "Loose Change"...
Now MIHOP doesn't seem so far fetched. In either case, whether incompetence or purely evil machinations, it worked so why not do it again?
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 03:37 PM
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12. Already did it to invade Iraq, so why not Iran too? n/t
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smitty Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 04:03 PM
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16. Ian Kershaw, the British historian and Hitler biographer
doesn't think that the nazis planned the Reichstag fire. Marinus van der Lubbe, an unstable Dutch citizen and former member of a communist youth organization in Holland, probably started the fire on his own initiative.

What's undeniable is that Hitler took advantage of the blaze to launch a campaign against "subversives" and communists and issue an emergency decree which indefinitely curtailed freedom of speech, the press and the privacy of postal and telephone communications.

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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 04:07 PM
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17. If terrorists strike in America, Bush will use it for sure
to his advantage if he can. But it could backfire on him, because then people might blame Bush and the Republicans for not preventing the attack and keeping America safe. So my answer is no to the original question, Bush wouldn't target the U.S., but if terrorists did hit U.S. then it would lead to unclear consequences.
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Ufomammut Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:52 PM
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20. They've done it before and will do it again
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:52 PM
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21. He'd do it without blinking an eye and smile the whole time........
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