How dumb are the people from Act for Change to send out pressure a senator

notices regarding censure?

Don't they realize that Feingold WANTED censure in committee to slow it down and further debate and investigation, and gave Sen. Kennedy and Leahy a base for the demand for ALL the NSA documents?

Don't they understand that it is the GOPs who wanted a quick vote on censure to stop debate and further investigation?

Feingold said early last week he was pleased that censure is in committee and pleased that it sets up further investigation that BushInc was trying to avoid.

He wants senators to say that they need to investigate further.

How did so many in the left activist groups get it so wrong? Why would Act for Change tell its followers to demand censure support NOW when Feingold and like-minded senators are using censure as an issue in committee to pursue investigation that the GOPs tried to stop with a quick vote?

Whether they realize it or not - they are promoting the position that Cheney and Frist wanted. They target Senators like Kennedy and Leahy who are working WITH Feingold to make the investigation happen.

I hate when our side acts like knee-jerk reactionaries without LISTENING FIRST.

...unless there is LOTS of dem pressure to keep it alive. Don't let cowardice determine the outcome-- which is what will happen if the dems aren't proactive about keeping the resolution alive. These are the same senators who let political expediency decide their vote for an invasion of Iraq, the USA PATRIOT Act, the bankruptcy bill, etc.-- their history is one of seeking cover at any cost. They need considerable pressure to get them on the right side of this, and verbally so, IMO.

planned to kill it there? No. And first thing, Kennedy and Leahy demanded NSA documents for investigation that GOPs tried to kill earlier - censure debate in committee gives them the BASIS for investigation - just as Feingold needed.

Man - either you GET it or you don't. Funny how those who claim they support Feingold's censure are so quick to side with the GOPs method of demanding instant declaration of vote and not supporting the debate and investigation of censure in the judiciary committee where Feingold wanted it.

From JABBS post in GD-P:

Vermont Senators Patrick Leahy and Jim Jeffords are advocating an investigation of President Bush's warrantless surveillance program, as a precursor to a vote on Sen. Russ Feingold's censure resolution.

Feingold's censure motion, introduced on March 13, accused Bush of violating the Constitution and the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. The basis of the concern: that the program circumvented rules that say the National Security Agency must obtain a warrant before proceeding.

Leahy, a Democrat, and Jeffords, an Independent who often sides with Democrats, are making a second go at having the Senate investigate warrantless surveillance, after the Senate Intelligence Committee voted along party lines against such an investigation. Instead, Congressional Republicans cut a deal with the White House to provide Congressional oversight for warrantless surveillance.

“Sen. Feingold says he intended his resolution to prompt congressional investigations into the president’s actions on these issues. Republican leaders so far have been reluctant to allow that,” said David Carle, a Leahy spokesman. “Sen. Leahy believes in first things first, and the first thing is Congress doing its oversight duty in investigating the Bush administration’s illegal domestic wiretapping.”
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a lot of people around here who didn't get it. I couldn't figure out why he put it out and figured he was just being a loose cannon, but I don't know all the backroom dealings in the Senate.

I'm still not sure about the strategy here, but rushing the motion out for a vote would kill it deader than letting it languish in committee. As the Republicans learned years ago, you have to be very careful and sly when you're the minority.

You would think they'd have recognized the furious mediaspinning of this story against the Dems right off, instead they joined right in.

.....Feingold first introduced the censure bill. Personally, I'm all for the bill being in committee because ever so often a tidbit of info on the censure bill comes out and reminds people all over again that Bush has and still is screwing up. It's drip, drip, drip, drip.........

Clinton back then compares to this censure now. They leave out the FACT that a vote for censure then was to STOP further impeachment proceedings, and a No vote meant you wanted impeachment proceedings to continue. Those who voted against censure were FOR impeachment proceedings.

That is PURE MANIPULATION of the facts to the point where it becomes a LIE. Why would anyone on OUR side do that? And why would they pressure senators for quick declarations on censure when that's what the GOPs wanted?