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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 05:44 AM
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Charlie Sheen swiftboated in Norwegian paper
Here's a rough translation from an article in the Norw. paper Aftenposten. Normally, this paper is pretty accurate (despite being known as a 'conservative' paper), but this article holds just to much venom to be a coincidence.

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Questions WTC-terror
Published 03.23.2006

Charlie Sheen does not only create headlines from what he does, but also for what he says.

The actor, more known for his questionable life style than for his acting, has made many Americans shake their heads with his last public statement.
Charlie Sheen says to the radio channel GCN Radio Network that he doubt the US government's official explanation that '19 amateurs armed with paper knives hijacked four planes and hit 75% of their targets'.

Sheen, who was in New York on 11. of September 2001 to tape an episode of 'Spin City', says he immediately got suspicious.

After seeing the South Tower collapse, Sheen said to his brother: "- Call me nuts, but doesn't that look like a controlled demolition?"

Further, the actor refers to eye witnesses that says they heard explosions coming from the underground levels of the WTC. He does not believe in the theory that fireballs swept down through the elevator shafts to create the damage in the WTC lobby.

"- It's up to us to reveal the truth. We owe that to the victims and to the relatives."

The question is wether Charlie Sheen is the right person for that job.

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Many Americans 'shake their heads' over Sheen's statement - but how many applaud it? Welcome it?

How many would just see the whole affair opened up for a just investigation?

This paper is suffering from lack of knowledge of what's really going on in the US - a common trait for Norw. media. They have no idea about the Xtian/Bush govt. pressure against the constitution, no idea about their US colleagues affinity with the Xtian/Neocon movement and no idea about the PNAC doctrine, and how many people from that particular org that holds positions in the current US govt.

A search for PNAC in the text archive leaves only four hits; all containing interviews with Norwegian 'politicos' that refers to PNAC as a 'think tank' close to the US govt.
No mentioning of 'Rebuilding America's Defenses' and statements like 'fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major-theater wars' or 'absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor'. Nothing. This is not mentioned in Norw. media at all actually, I've checked.

Subsequently, they're succumbing to the instant mass media reflex when Sheen says what he said; conspiracy theory nut.

Here's the original article for reference (NO)
http://www.aftenposten.no/kul_und/film/article1256915.ece

I know you all have a lot to do domestically, but if you want to enlighten the editors of some far away paper that not all Americans shake their heads at Sheen's statements, I've left the editors mail address here for your convenience ;-)

Editor:
arild.kveldstad@aftenposten.no

Editor-in-chief:
frank.gander@aftenposten.no

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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 05:47 AM
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1. "amateurs armed with paper knives"
To be honest, suicide attacks aren't a career path that many people can expect to become expert professionals in.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 05:50 AM
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2. Hmm...
You could probably even say that anyone who did manage to have a career in suicide bombing would be, by definition, a lousy suicide bomber.
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 08:18 AM
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12. "It's only a flesh wound!"
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 05:52 AM
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3. Well, it is a career of expert professionals
If we're to believe in Al-Queda as what it is claimed to be, by the same people that has gained enormously politically from that story ;-)
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Atlas Mugged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 06:32 AM
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7. My immediate impression
was that he was referring to amateur pilots.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 06:05 AM
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4. box cutters = paper knives
talk about lost in translation!

Who is behind the story?

Clearly, someone is spreading it. I'll predict some mention of it on Fox News.
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 06:11 AM
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5. Translation 'paper knives' = mine
So box cutters is the appropriate term, no? The term used in the article was the Norwegian 'tapetkniv', which means wallpaper knife.

As for the source, I found some referrals on the page of the original article.
It leads to this Norwegian 'news' collecting page:
http://www.mylder.no

Never heard about it before. It refers again to at least two US 911-sites;
http://www.september11news.com/
http://911digitalarchive.org/

I have no idea of which quality they are.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 06:12 AM
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6. Thank you.
Let the smear; and defense; begin.
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 05:52 PM
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8. The text of the Norwegian article seems lifted right out of the Boston
article linked in a post down thread..

seems like the Norwegian Media is the mouthpiece of VOA/paid propagandists courtesy of U.S. taxpayers..

:shrug:
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 10:38 PM
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9. I love the interenet...it keeps them
from being able to get away with shit they got away with 20 years ago.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 10:40 PM
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10. WTF is up with Norway?
Publishing cartoons to incite violence, trashing war critics, etc... WTF is their problem? I had no idea they were such rightwing racist assholes.
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Bouvet_Island Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:56 PM
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11. You are not able to
translate the culture.

The article is markedly neutral for what it is, representing several of his points. You can read the question at the bottom both as smear, but also if you choose to, as a real question. It is not smear to point to what was the case the last time he was in the news,he is world famous for his taste for prostitutes. Something which I'd say doesn't carry the same gravity here as in the state, there are less family values and discussion about legalizing prostitution and so it is not particularly loaded language they are using. WE mostly don't take anything from the states completely serious or at face value, and so a hint of that is maybe present in the article as well.

There have been quite a lot of discussion on Norwegian message boards in the large newspapers, ending up on the top of rankings that are shown prominently. Which I attribute the relative neutrality in the presentation to. Remember that this is the first A Swedish site that are higly popular for sharing films have torrents for about all 9/11 material, complete with automatically posted virus warnings in the comment sections, a person saying the file will infect the machine and the poster explaining it won't. This have reached a lot of the people that would naturally have an interest in it at this level of off-mainstream. I believe there are quite some Norwegians that knows this stuff better than many people here.

A norwegian "tapetkniv" is a box cutter, the Norwegians translated it correctly.

Norwegian press in general is good although not on top of developments in the states. It has though at times very good coverage on middle east and Iraq questions, and I think you would have found the public debate on the Muhammed drawings a bit different from what you have in the states. As an example the national broadcaster showed images of the al aqsa brigade defending Norwegian peace observers, and the iranian muslim clerics that tried to stop mobs single handedly which I curiosly didn't see in the states. We also get to see a lot of good documentary on the state owned television, Control room are sent about four times a year at least and they also send rather radical stuff like DU(ranium) documentaries or a documentary I can't remember the name of that covered the US/afghan warlord POW massacres in the early afghan wars, based on physicians for truths' work.

The election spectacle represented by among others "Solarbus" got fair and large (whole side NYT size) coverage in my provincial/regional newspaper, by one of their own journalists. It covers around 400 000 people. Clint Curtis, the election whistleblower, got whole page fair article in one of two national tabloids (which are real newspapers, not like the british "the sun"). I don't think the US press compares in their detailed coverage of Norwegian affairs.

Devilgirl, we are all rightist facist assholes here, you got that right. That is why we like so well to plunder and rape, throw axes on girls' hairdo, and ride on icebears. Do you live along the coast? If you like, I can come in my longboat and rape you, then burn and plunder your village, jolly fun!
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