Texas Gov. Candidate: punish criminals with a "Negro talking to himself"

Kinky Friedman (a Republican seeking to run as an Independent which will fatally dilute the Democratic vote) appeared on CNBC and discussed his views on criminal punishment: "Throw 'em in prison and throw away the key, and make 'em listen to a Negro talking to himself." When asked whether his use of the word "Negro" was racist, Kinky replied "no ... it's a charming word."

PLEASE see the video at <http://stopkinky.blogspot.com/>.

Kinky is funding his campaign largely with donations from well-meaning out-of-state donors who do not realize his candidacy will virtually guarantee the re-election of our far-right extremist GOP governor, Rick Perry, and who do not realize that Kinky is not a progressive candidate.

Please help get the word out: Kinky is no progressive and his vanity candidacy will guarantee the re-election of the GOP incumbent.

doing radio spots. Oh boy.

:shrug:

Supported Dennis Kucinich.

kept company with the bushes too much for me.

I thought we had a deal. You don't endorse candidates for governor, I don't write songs.

The real Kinky is coming out.

the guy doesn't hide anything, perhaps that is why people are interested in him.

What?

Thanks for easing my mind.

How can you take anything he says seriously.

Just watch how they react to the Kinky campaign.

I've already seen efforts to start a wispering campaign that he is gay. LOL!

Pathetic really.

Fact is, people are sick of the same old bullshit and Chris Bell doesn't have a
chance in hell. Most of you know that but that won't prevent some of you
from pretending otherwise.

They man ain't politically correct that's for damn sure.

I don't engage in such silly whispering campaigns. This is the first time I've heard of that particular one.

Two words: Tom DeLay. Kinky won't rein him in. Neither will Perry. Neither will Strayhorn. That leaves only one candidate left - Chris Bell - and he'll get the job done.

and alot of the republicans in his district are sick of DeLay.

I hope Nick trashes DeLay in November. But Democratic reps could really use a Democratic governor on their side, too. And Bell has been making DeLay's life a bit more uncomfortable over the past couple of years.

Who the fuck talks like that anymore?

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It has become politically incorrect because people associate it with the "n" word, but Kinky's very un-PC nature is part of what attracts people.

In Blue states he might lose votes, but in Texas, this will probably get him votes.

LOL.

was actually the most polite thing you would call an African-American. "Black" and "Nigger" were seen as being the same thing. Now African-Americans are constantly called "blacks" and "Negro" is in the same realm as "Nigger". These things have changed over time and some people don't adjust.

He couldn't understand if he called young white men "boy," why a black man would be offended by the same term.

I don't think that made my grandfather a racist.

wow - didn't realize how awful DU had become...

Now the WaPo choice of bloggers makes sense to me. America really IS on the same page... sigh

does not in and of itself make that person a racist.

Failing to adjust from the old PC word to the new PC word does not, in and of itself, make that person a racist.

Being a fucking racist makes that person a racist.

Hence, your grandpa was a racist

they're fucking racist, then.

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My great-grandfather used the term and there wasn't a racist bone in his body. He spent his spare time in black communities helping to educate poor black men (and some women) in the field of engineering arts so they could become better employeed.

Failure to change ones language with the ebb and flow of the PC tide does NOT make one a racist.

Why is my spidey sense tingling?

Look...my conservative mom still tosses out Jewish jokes and other anti-Semetic garbage. I never fail to tell her she's an embarassment and to get in the 21st century already. She's a product of her times, but so the fuck what? It's 2006 and we ain't playing with the Wayback Machine.

I call racism and bigotry when I see it, no matter who it is or how old they are. Ignorance is a lame excuse.

speaker.

I am African American.

In 1960, as today, WE call ourselves a variety of those terms.

It could be in our casual conversation...."NEGRO ~ you better not make me go off on you!" said as a term of endearment from husband to wife/between friends.

In the case of this racist bigot ~ there are no words that he could use to describe my people that would be acceptable!

He was and is race baiting and if they let him get away with it, it will be one more example of why GW continues to be elected.


That is the base of the party/and others that he is talking to and, sorry to say, MANY in AMERIKA are still listening closely to see if the people that they want in office will be "on their side."

I can also appreciate that it is important to think about how other people will view your words.

I viewed it as a stupid thing to say on his part that would acatully help him

But, I can see how it can viewed as an intentional tactic to let the good ole racist boys he is on their side.

He really should clear that up.

Just as an intellectual exercise, let's see how this analogy goes over: "Lock up the debtors with a big screen video loop of a Jew counting his money." What's your problem? Jew is a charming word!!!
Never mind the negative, hateful sterotypes being reinforced... :wtf:
I'm just DUMBFOUNDED!!!

It was the phrase "Negro talking to himself". I'm not sure what that means, but it doesn't sound complimentary

Even if he meant no harm, the fact that people would believe that it is a derogatory racial reference necessitates that you do not say it.

important in involve young people in the government (as easy a softball question as you could get), Kinky's response was "because young people are less corrupt."

WTF?

Older people are corrupt? Apparently, Kinky's spent too much time around Barbara Bush and not enough time with Texas Young Republicans.

if our democratic candidates have a message, they will win. If they don't then people will support Kinky.

It is utterly fucking stupid to bash Kinky to make ourselves look more worthy of voting for.

What is our message in Texas? Summary? Bullet points? The vote cannot be diluted. Crackpots will vote for the crackpot.

If we want democrats to vote for democrats, then we had better step up what we're about instead of defining ourselves as what we are not.

told me that they will vote for Kinky. Neither are crackpots. One is very liberal and a lifetime Dem who has met the guy and finds his platform appealing. One was a Democratic precinct judge who revealed to me when I came to conduct the precinct meeting after the election why she had not voted in the Dem primary ("saving my vote for Kinky"). The last is a former bush voter (in '00 but not '04) who does not want Perry to win and "likes the guy with the big fat cigar". I live in a town of about 7k people which is strongly repuke and this is what is happening on the ground with Kinky here. He makes the political scene even more of a farce and harms all the people who are working hard to make changes.

The candidate with the best message and strategy wins, barring election fraud.

If Kinky's message is better than ours then he's going to take some territory, and there is NOTHING we can do about it. If we want the people who we think will vote for him, we have to speak to their issues.

It really is that simple. It's not a given that just because we're democrats everyone owes us their votes. We cannot define ourselves by what we're not. It's a bad strategy, and it won't work in Texas. We have to be better than that.

Answer this: What are Maxey's and Radnofsky's stance on equal rights? What are they planning to do about healthcare, working wages and education in the state? How do they plan to deal with a bi-annual legislature?

It's not enough for them to say, vote for me because I'm not republican or Kinky.

Senator, not Governor - that candidate is Chris Bell.

Here are what their published websites say as to their positions:

For Governor (opposed to incumbent Perry): http://www.chrisbell.com/

For Senator (opposed to incumbent Hutchison): http://www.radnofsky.com/index.php

things that make you go hmmmm.

Actually I've spoken to her office directly, and the answer is . . .

Call someone else, they'll tell you who to endorse.

And the answer is . . . still up in the air. I don't need to be told who to endorse just because they're not KBH. That's not good enough.

She carefully does not have a stance on equality issues and also declined to say how she voted on the marriage amendment in Texas or what her personal stance is on that issue.

I just want to know if she supports my issues or if I'm a political liability to her.

If I'm a liability then she doesn't need my support.

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You never stated you asked her office staff about her personal vote history!

When speaking about political candidates, it is common perception that you would be inquiring about her published, recorded legislative voting record.

When asking about her "vote", you did not state that it was her PERSONAL vote you were interested in, and NOT House Joint Resolution Number 6 of 2005 (the Texas Marriage Amendment), or Texas Defense of Marriage Act of 2003.

But, somehow, this all detracts from your original point, you are not convinced that voting for a Democrat is the preferable option? Or am I wrong about your original point too?

vote for the least worst candidate?

Sorry, no. Also, you do not set "common perception" here or anywhere. Do some some research before further tangling, it behooves you and will underscore your commentary with facts rather than speculation.

Democratic party, I love you but don't take my vote for granted. Why is that so damn hard to comprehend? You seem smarter than your attempts at pretend-confusion. And you keep asking snide follow on question-zingers, and that's also insulting by the way, as well as dishonest. Please stop.

Say what you mean, directly. Let me start. I HATE Kay Bailey. I have a legally unprotected gay family. If a candidate can't support my issues, it doesn't matter who is in power if all the perks of being a democrat only go to heterosexual married democrats.

I'm not a swing voter. I always vote the democratic ticket and it is not lightly that I would withhold my vote, but I'm not waiting until "the right time" for my issues any more. Every election is a chance to stand up for decency, and if we can't do it the right way, and openly, then we're going to be haunted by it forever.

I'm standing up for it. My vote is not free this time. Earn it.

candidate who gives you even a WHISPER of a chance of representation in this fucking state, you want to be wooed, cajoled and convinced to deign yourself to voting for the only serious Democratic challenger KBH has ever seen, talking to you about Democratic candidates is a waste of my time.

I mean, if you actually live in this state and can't see the outcome of your attitude when it is right in your face, you are a lost cause.

Jesus H. Christ, this is FUCKING TEXAS - we're lucky our Democratic candidates haven't been drawn and quartered in the public square, and you want them to take you to the fucking prom already.

Sorry, I won't waste any more time giving you their goddamn websites.

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wow. wonder what's on the flip side.

Board Member of the Friends World Foundation for AIDS Research and Prevention (long before she even considered running for anything). Her role with the Board has been Secretary-Treasurer (that's the position right below Board President, Professor Luc Montagnier who discovered the AIDS virus who personally asked Barbara to join the Board).

She has raised unbelievable funds for the fight to find a cure.

Does that count for anything?

by state government?

Simple questions -

I'm not campaigning against her. I'm campaigning against being downplayed for political expediency because that's a failing tactic.

If she's afraid to state her position on equal marriage and equal rights openly in order to get elected, then she'll be afraid to state her position to stay elected.

It's a zero sum game for us.

voted against the amendment -- I have talked to BAR about the issue, and while I didn't ask how she voted or if she voted, I didn't feel that I needed to because she expressed disdain for the politics behind the amendment process.

If you feel like you are getting the run-around from BAR's campaign staff, it might be because they don't have the answers to the questions you are asking. Please, go to meet BAR yourself -- she's very accessible on her non-stop campaign tour. She'll tell you what she thinks (she's not someone who's afraid to express her mind), and I am confident that your concern will be alleviated.

I felt the same way as you now feel because I once felt like I couldn't get a straight answer from her campaign staff about BAR's position on the Iraq war. So I met BAR after an event, and I spoke with her at great length about that issue and many others, and when I expressed some disappointment that she was not as vocal as I would have liked on the Iraq war, her website was updated within a month or two to address the issue. Before you write BAR off, please give her a chance. She is a great woman and there is no candidate who is less "afraid to state her position" on any issue you want to discuss with her.

I'm actually being a bit contrarian (and maybe even a little unfair) here and using BAR as an example, but I appreciate your insight.

The bigger fear (and growing divide) in our community is whether seasoned candidates should be hiding on this issue at all, but your explanation helps too.

I have actually heard great things about BAR, and I believe she even has the endorsement of the Stonewall Democrats, but you can see how easy one can get "browbeaten" here on DU for questioning any candidate.

Again, thanks for your response - much appreciated.

hospitals and insurance companies against malpractice suits.

Check out her Vinson and Elkins webpage before someone in her campaign pressures them to take it down:

http://www.velaw.com/lawyers/lawyer_detail.asp?H4AttyID=322086401




Doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling about Babs.

litigation group within her law firm, and she represents children burned by defective cigarette lighters.

The law firm website doesn't focus on that because it is not the type of case the firm is marketing to get, but I think it says much in favor of BAR's ability to achieve progressive goals within a conservative environment -- which seems like a good skill to have if you want to be an elected Democrat in Texas.

why would you think they don't? I didn't claim he was running for office.

Your post implied that he was an office seeker, and you wanted to know what his issue positions were.

He is NOT running for any statewide elected office, he is seeking the chair of the TX Dem Party and will therefore have ZERO influence over legislative actions - it is not even a paid position! Strictly volunteer, as a fundraiser / organizer.

I wanted readers to know who is running for what and where to find information on their positions - they can make up their own minds, but it is now down to repubs vs dems.

If you don't want to vote for the Dems, I can't help ya there - I'm a Democrat, and these are my candidates. If you would rather vote for someone who is NOT a Democrat, and is actually running AGAINST a Democrat, I have to wonder why you are here?


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it's not. Texas is about 60% Republican and 40% Democrat.

Puffy McMoonface's mom (Carole "4n3p," who has 4 names from her many marriages and a history 3 party affiliations from her political opportunism) has jumped from the GOP to run as an independent because the Texas GOP is captive to the farthest right Christofascists and corporatists and no right-leaning moderate like 4n3p can get the Texas GOP nomination against a Christofascist-corporatist puppet like Perry.

You would think this might make for an opening for the Democrat, Chris Bell, who is the moderate ex-Congressman who blew the first whistle on Tom DeLay's illegal redistricting plan. In a three way race, Perry's hard-core-creepy base is about the same size as the Democratic base so in a three-way race we stand is chance in the battle-of-messages so long as we don't lose more votes to 4n3p.

But then you have to deal with Kinky.

Perry's support is from his self-identified "conservative" base (they are really reactionary, not conservative, but that's another issue), 4n3p's support is mostly from self-identified moderates, Bell's support is moderate-to-progressive (which is to say, it's the Texas Democratic base), but then you have Kinky: notwithstanding Kinky's ill-conceived and not-at-all-progressive view on most of the issues which he has bothered to address, Kinky's support is overwhelmingly from progressive voters who do not know where he actually stands on the issues that matter to them.
<http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=57a012e1-d1ce-4aab-8aed-fb23ccd731ab&c=49> That's the whole problem -- Kinky is taking support from Bell because Kinky is the beneficiary of a misimpression that he is progressive when he really isn't progressive at all. That's why we need to get the word out -- and we need to get it out NOW while Kinky is seeking the 45,000 signatures he needs to get on the ballot.

You say it's stupid to bash Kinky, but if you go to the Stop Kinky! blog, <http://stopkinky.blogspot.com/>, you'll see that the criticism is a challenge to Kinky's stand on various important issues.

Ask yourself: if a vanity candidate is drawing support from the progressive candidate based on a wide misperception that the vanity candidate is progressive when he really isn't progressive at all, how else would you spread the word that progressives should not be tempted to support the vanity candidate?

and not lost on me, but on many here.

That's my point. Mindlessly voting for the anti-candidate is mindless.

I could care less about Kinky and I desperately want a dem in office, but I want someone who can knock 'em dead, not merely win by not losing.

not to vote for Kinky. He is a Dem, by the way. We have nothing to gain and everything to lose with this guy in the race. It drives me up the wall. He (my friend at work) does not even know Kinky's views or that the guy voted for bush the only time he ever bothered to vote.

<http://stopkinky.blogspot.com/>.

thanks

forum and see the Texas "Dems" who support this freak. As far as I am concerned this man is running to assist the hated Perry in his next win. I really hate this silly, pompous, self-important idiot. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=180&topic_id=28923&mesg_id=28923

would win in CA, I thought they were more sensible than my crazy neighbors in Texas.
Boy, did I get an education.
If it can happen in a beautiful blue state like CA, Texas is easy pickins, my friends.

Never underestimate the appeal of crackpots to those simply looking to be entertained.

Fuck Kinky, I want a real governor to clean up the GIGANTIC mess that is Texas these days.

We have a looooonnnnngggg way to go.

I've never heard anything out of his dumb mouth that didn't sound like standard regressive "Let's Get Back To The Grand Ol' South" bullshit.

What a jackass.

as Mr. Friedman back in the day...the Gone With the Wind idea is a different reality when you are looking at it from Mammy's perspective.

Still, what I've heard from him meshes better with the myth of the Grand South than with what we'd hope for 21st Century America.

That's a strange sort of logic. Is Friedman running on the Democratic ticket? If so, he won't get past the primary. Is he running on the Republican ticket? Ditto. Is he running as an independent and does he have a sure spot on the November ballot? Then what's to worry about? All the Democratic candidate has to do is distinguish himself or herself from the more lunatic rantings of Mr. Friedman, point to the GOP's recent disastrous record in Texas, and promise to restore a little democracy to the Lone Star State.

It doesn't sound like that tall of an order to me. Who's more likely to vote for a guy if they think he's racist: a Republican or a Democrat? Doesn't sound like Friedman's (presumably indepedent) candidacy will draw votes from the Democratic candidate unless the Democrat can't run any kind of a campaign at all.

the classrooms, to pay Mexican generals to capture undocumented border crossers, and to lock up sexual predators, throw away the key, and force them to listen to a "negro talking to himself" APPEALS to the GOP voter, and between those votes and the independents, the snarky voters and people who just do not pay attention, he ends up actually WINNING.

Then, what would he do? Since TX has a weak governor system, probably not much.

Mandatory neutering and spaying, now that is a good idea.

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at a minimum...and not even considering that it's a lousy idea to start with!

http://www.kinkyfriedman.com/issues/

In fact, that's exactly what it is, per his website!!!!!

who did not vote in the primary to run. Heard one of his ads on the radio in Austin on Tuesday. some well-known c&w person touting him as a person who will put government back to work for the people, he is for the little guy, not tied to any party, unpolitical, etc. All of these things are bs, if one is running, one is political and one cannot run run the government without politics. He will not win but he will take away Dem votes and he will shoo Perry back into office.

Rick Perry has about 38% hard-core support. The Democratic base is about 38%. In a three-way race, we stand a good chance so long as Bell can hold the base and Carole 4n3p takes no more from our base than she takes from Perry's hard-core. A Bell victory along the lines of Bell - 38%, Perry - 36%, 4n3p - 26% is wholly conceivable, but there is no scenario where we have any margin for error.

Kinky cuts disproportionately into Bell's base (because his music and books are popular among Bell's base and because Kinky's anti-establishment campaign overlaps in appeal with Bell's anti-Perry-establishment base). Kinky also weakens 4n3p's standing on the ballot by diluting her status as the only "former" Republican who voted for Bush/Cheney and is now running as a so-called independent candidate (that describes both 4n3p and Kinky if he gets on the ballot). Because of Perry's faithful kowtowing to the powerful corporatist/anti-consumer, Christofascist/homophobic, and anti-public-education/don't-charge-me-for-my-governmental-services blocks within the Texas Reptilican Party, his hard-core won't go much lower than 36% no matter how many candidates enter the race.

In sum, Kinky takes mostly from Bell, somewhat from 4n3p, and almost nothing from Perry. Kinky helps Perry MORE than Nader helped Bush in Florida in '00, which is to say Kinky guarantees a Perry re-election. Moreover, and perhaps more troubling, Kinky increases Perry's incentive to protect his base so Kinky's candidacy pushes Perry to the right; hard to believe, but there is room to the right, and in a four-way race, Perry can freely concede the small number of moderate Republicans to 4n3p and walk away with the election simply by rallying his arch-right-wing base.

that. A vote for Kinky is a vote for Perry. There is no getting around this.

Look back at the past election results at <http://elections.sos.state.tx.us/elchist.exe>. Sanchez, who was not such a great candidate, got 40% in 2002.

Perry's most recent polling puts his support at 38% to 40% even with Kinky and 4n3p in the race: <http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2006/State%20Polls/February%202006/Texas%20Governor%20February.htm>.

When you look at other polling, Kinky is taking most of his support from Bell and, to a lesser extent, 4n3p, but least from Perry: <http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=57a012e1-d1ce-4aab-8aed-fb23ccd731ab&c=49>.

A four-way race pits the ultra-conservative vote (for Perry) versus a three-way split of the moderate-to-liberal vote.

The Texas gubernatorial vote is a plurality vote. In Texas, the Christofascists, homophobes, corporatists, and won't-pay-for-the-services-they-demand anti-tax-nuts are a plurality.

I understand your scenario, but I don't see how a Friedman candidacy can be "stopped" if he's running as an independent. I mean, sure, tell friends and relatives, casual acquaintances and people you pass on the street not to sign his ballot petition. But if he's determined to run outside of party strictures, I'm not sure he can be "stopped."

Also, if some of his goofier ideas peel away votes from Bell but not Perry (which I'm afraid I still don't understand), then why not sell Texas back to Mexico and be done with the whole loony bin? (Okay, that's meant in jest, but you see what I mean.)

With this "Give Texas back..." or "Sell Texas back to Mexico" business. We FOUGHT for our independence from Mexico; PAID for it at the Alamo and Goliad; and WON it at San Jacinto. Texas entered the US as a state after a decade as an independent republic.

Thanks.

to appear on the ballot.

Kinky is getting lots of those signatures from progressive voters who don't know what a train-wreck Kinky is.

We need to stop those misinformed progressive petition signers by getting the word out: Kinky is no progressive!

Sorry that some of us fogeys out here are neither 1337-savvy or just don't get local TX politics. We'd still like to know what you're talking about.

a Republican, and now she is running as an Independent. Due to her many marriages, she has 4 last names, and due to her political opportunism she has had 3 party affiliations. Since it is unwieldy to write Carole Keeton McClellan Rylander Strayhorn (and tricky to get it right anyway because she's forever changing the line up of her last names), followed by her various party affiliations, it is easier to call her Carol 4n3p (for four names, three party affiliations).

A very apt designation. Very funny.

...which really should disqualify her simply as a matter of taste. Anyone who can spit out a two legged pollution like that just ain't good for TX...!

How is it that the Bush Administration is connected to just about every criminal, dangerous, or just plain corrupt person on planet Earth?

Drug Administration Commissioner who tried to spook seniors with a phony "warning" that importing affordable medicines from Canada were dangerous.

Mind you I'm relying on hearsay, so know nothing on the subject.

In addition to Kinky's "Negro" comment, here are a few more examples of how NOT-progressive Kinky is:

Kinky Friedman has voted just once in the last 12 years, and that was when he voted for Bush/Cheney in 2004. Kinky explained, "I was for Bush in 2004 ... he's a good man." Kinky has also run (unsuccessfully) for public office as a Republican in the past.

Kinky complains about "the Ten Commandments being taken out of the public schools" and says, "I want them back, they belong there." Kinky also says "I'll tell you right now. I'm for prayer in school."

When asked about his position on women's rights, Kinky says "I'm not pro-life, and I'm not pro-choice. I'm pro-football!" Even CNN's reporter had to exclaim, "Now that's evasive, man, that's evasive."

To secure the Texas-Mexico border, Kinky proposes his "Five Mexican Generals" plan: "Friedman again outlined his Mexican generals policy, whereby he would divide the Texas-Mexico border into precincts, stationing a Mexican general in each precinct. Each general would be given $1 million and the account would be drawn against every time an illegal immigrant is captured and returned to Mexico."

Texas is undergoing a public education funding crisis, Kinky's proposal is to let the highest corporate bidders into the schools: "As to funding the education system, Friedman's answer is to put all the money in the education system and let the corporate sector bid on funding athletics."


This is all NONHEARSAY -- there are sources for all these statements on <http://stopkinky.blogspot.com/>.

Okay, he's crackpot.

She will take votes from Perry. I'll vote for Bell, but he strikes me as kind of a lightweight.

Unfortunately, he has had trouble getting an exit visa, so he dispenses gloom and doom while not watching "The West Wing".

Our Democratic nominee to run against Senator KBH is Barbara Ann Radnofsky (in a runoff against vanity candidate Gene Kelly who runs based on the dead dancer's name identification without campaigning); she could use your vote in the runoff election.

Just some words to liven up his southern base.

He's a phony cowboy, a phony musician, a phony mystery writer, and a phony candidate for public office. He's just a phony, period.

I just don't see what anyone sees in that guy. I honestly think that Carrot Top is more talented.

What a jackass. Of course he's a racist, his statement is clear (as if this is a punishment) and his views on immigration are pure simpleton.

His brain is fried but nothing surprises me in American politics.

He's a ringer, there to hurt the Democrats

Uggggg... we are fucked!

Sounds to me like Kinky is adding a little kookiness to an otherwise routine and boring race where the biggest assholes in the Union will vote in an asshole like Rick Perry (just like Dumbya before him) to represent them.

we CAN win a three-way race (and the slightly less insane Repulican could also possibly win against the crazy bastard incumbent). With Kinky in the race taking votes from misinformed progressive voters, however, we don't stand much of a chance and neither does the slightly less insane Repulican because the anti-incumbent vote cannot stand to be split three-ways.

Perry, Kinky, or Carol 4n3p.

We can win a three way race among Perry, Bell, and 4n3p. Hell, as a Democratic nominee, Sanchez was weaker than dishwater and he got 40%. If Bell can get 37-38%, that might be enough because 4n3p will get some moderate anti-Perry GOP votes.

A four-way race we can't win, Kinky can't win, and 4n3p can't win because it splits the anti-Perry vote too much.

We need to keep Kinky from getting Democrats to sign his damn petition.

Strayhorn on the other had is probably having difficulty getting the sigs.

I think you underestimate the enthusiasm behind the Kinky campaign.

I'll just have to assume you are talking out of your ass.

The first result for googling "carol strayhorn fundraising"
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/18/191243/654

google had nothing

you mean how many people have signed her petition so far? of course that's not going to be out there, she's working on it now. the OP you responded to said that she had raised $8 mil which will be used to pay people to collect sigs, of course, and I posted the substantiation you asked for.... :shrug:

he came back with the money figure, but that was not what I had spoken about.

I was out and about recently and there were petition gatherers for both Kinky and Strayhorn and people were lining up to sign the Kinky petition and the guy for Strayhorn was sitting there twiddling his thumbs.

but Strayhorn can pay people to go door to door. Kinky's got to rely on volunteers.

I dunno, we'll see. I think the best case scenario for us would be SHE makes it and HE doesn't.

A lot of the comments have focused on the use of the word "Negro." However, the real issue is why does this guy think listening a crazy old black guy talking to himself is somehow different or worse than listening to a crazy old white guy talking to himself.

called "A Case of Lone Star."

What difference does that make? It just makes him a repeat offender and a jerk who thinks he's so great that he quotes himself.

He, as Dirty Harry would say, is a legend in his own mind.

I agree that Kinky's message would be offensive even if he said we should take criminals "throw 'em in prison and throw away the key, and make 'em listen to an African-American talking to himself." That would be offensive.

As a separate issue, hearing Kinky's cigar-chompin' drawl proclaiming that "Negro" is "a charming word" is also offensive, and it would be offensive even if Kinky hadn't made any inappropriate comment about his proposed treatment of criminals.

P.S. The offensive reference to "Negros talking to themselves" in Kinky's book is not the same comment that Kinky mentioned on CNBC; Kinky's comment in his book has nothing whatsoever to do with criminals or criminal punishment.

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or is he just going around shooting off his mouth?

approximately 45,000 signatures he needs to get on the ballot. Many Democrats are not aware of his peculiar views and are abetting this effort and I would like to stop that from happening.

... Want another case in point? Crooks & Liars has the audio of a radio guy calling Condi a coon on the air....

I can't wait til it hits the fan over here, and we can see the defenders of the dj, and such....

It's just how white folks are... sigh...

generalizations are hurful no matter what color you are.

Doing what one accuses "white folks" of doing doesn't give anyone the high ground.

... Me, I prefer that white folks stop calling black folks negroes and coons, and stop the typical accompanying behavior and attitudes.

And though most people think it's condescending to point it out, I suppose it won't be so to you: saying "cats have 4 legs" is NOT the same statement as saying "all cats have 4 legs". Is it too much to hope that you understand just WHAT the difference between those two consists in?

In any case, I'd appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth.

Good luck in finding the "high ground" tho!

sorry got to call it.

I was being nice - sorry you took it wrong but now that you've gotten your panties in a twist:

you generalized. And you did it again. What more is there to say? Phrase it better next time, because you're the only one who's putting words in your mouth, right where everyone can see.

And, why assault my intelligence? Was that necessary? Dur. More words from your mouth.

Good luck to you too, you're going to need it here with your friendly self and in the absence of clearer language.

I know that people like to send money to their favorites to help them, but the people who live where the candidate is, should be the ones to fund their campaigns.. People out of state should NOT be able to donate to state-held office seekers..

Another reason or public funding of races..NO outside money from ANYONE..

TV stations/networks get the free use of airwaves and then turn them ionto a cashcow by selling ads to politicians.. They should HAVE to have a non-partisan station solely for the purpose of candidates getting their "message" out.. People who are interested will tune in.. the ones who won't tune in, probably aren't interested enough to even vote anyway..

Take the big money out of it..and people get cleaner elections.

How many of our candidates have been targeted and shot down by Republicans over the years? At the same time, how many party stars have siphoned money to their races when the money could have gone to local races? I admit I just sent money from New York to a local candidate on Ohio. There has to be a way to bring politics back to the people level instead of allowing it to remain a bunch of 30 second or 15 second sound bites every two years.

of his political corruption (which is comparatively well covered in the California papers, but which barely makes news elsewhere, like here in Texas)?

from out of state

LOL....i don't agree with what he said obviously, but that was instantly what popped into my mind

with the rise of Black Power, which is why the term sounds especially archaic to people like me who were born well after that period.

regressive republican governor keep the governorship!!!

Friedman is a right-wing regressive pig always has been!

As a result of sexist lyrics in Kinky's songs like "Get Your Biscuits in the Oven and Your Buns in the Bed," the National Organization of Women named Kinky "Male Chauvinist Pig of the Year." Here is a sample of his lyrics:

"You uppity women I don’t understand
Why you gotta go and try to act like a man,
But before you make your weekly visit to the shrink
You’d better occupy the kitchen, liberate the sink....

Mean-hearted harpies are breaking all the laws
Tearing up their girdles and a-burning up their bras,
Now the air is dirty and the sex is clean
And your coffee makes my hair turn green.

So damn emancipated in your mind and your body,
Gonna have to cancel all your lessons in karate.
If you can’t love a male chauvinist
You’d better cross me off your shopping list.

Get your biscuits in the oven and your buns in the bed
That’s what I to my baby said,
Women’s liberation is a-going to your head,
Get your biscuits in the oven and your buns in the bed."

If he ever was.

Remember when some of the great women of Texas wrote a letter on your behalf questioning your primary opponent's commitment to women's issues based on his federal funding votes from the 1970s?

I disagreed with the letter at the time, but I have never disagreed that it was effective.

Please call upon those great women of Texas one more time.

At lunch today, I ran into a nice woman, a long-time Democrat, a member of Planned Parenthood, and a Kinky supporter. We need to remind the women of Texas that Kinky is no friend of women's rights.

Please remind Texas women that Kinky thinks women's rights are a joke. When asked about women's rights, Kinky says "I'm not pro-life, and I'm not pro-choice. I'm pro-football!" Even CNN's anchor interviewing Kinky felt compelled to say, "Now that's evasive, man, that's evasive!" And it's not a laughing matter to the many Texans who consider this a serious issue. Texas imposes some of the nation's harshest restrictions on women's reproductive rights, and this freedom of choice is the right of the people, and not the business of the government. Please remind the women of Texas who stands with them and who won't say where he stands.

Please remind Texas women that the National Organization of Women named Kinky "Male Chauvinist Pig of the Year" for his sexist lyrics. Remind them that Kinky thinks it's funny to write songs that call women "uppity" and "harpies" because "women’s liberation is going to their heads."

Chris, you need to call upon those great women of Texas once again.