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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 06:41 PM
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Oreilly "Four million viewers a night"
"Fuzzy Math?"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188904,00.html

The Factor's" total cumulative rating, over 24 hours, is about 4 million viewers a night — not counting the Direct TV people and the college people. That makes us very competitive with the late night network shows and the network morning programs. We also are creeping up on "The CBS Evening News."
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 06:43 PM
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1. Four million very disillusioned people.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 06:45 PM
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2. Did he offer any proof or was this from the Paris Business Review
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 06:45 PM
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3. The only part of this that makes sense is the word "creeping"-
he is about a creepy as it gets.
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pimpbot Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 06:46 PM
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4. Directv and dish are included in Nielsen ratings
Combined they represent over 25 million subscribers. No way advertisers would let those slip through unmonitored.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 06:48 PM
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5. The original broadcast of his show and the repeats probably
Edited on Thu Mar-23-06 07:07 PM by Eric J in MN
are seen by about 4 million people over 24 hours.

I'm not sure what the issue here is.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 06:51 PM
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7. I agree
I've seen the ratings and O'Reilly isn't making anything up (for a change). He is watched by way more people than any other cable news shows in his time slot. Sad actually.
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stewert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 10:31 PM
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18. The Issue........

Issue #1 -

Nobody counts reruns in the ratings, when the ratings are put out it says total viewers. They count one show, the reruns are not counted in the ratings.

Issue #2 -

Even if you use the 4 million number, it is not creeping up on 8 million, and the factor ratings are decreasing, not increasing, so he is not creeping up on anyone. His ratings have dropped from a 2.5 in October of 2005 to a 1.9 for February of 2006. So how are his ratings creeping up on CBS when they are going backwards.

Issue #3 -

The issue is the lie he told his viewers, not whether he gets 4 million viewers a night with his 7:00pm show, the 10:00pm rerun, and the 3:00am rerun. The issue is the lies about how he is creeping up on CBS news when his ratings are actually dropping.

Issue #4 -

He compared his average 24 hour total viewer numbers to the 30 minute CBS evening news show. Using his logic CBS news could rerun their show 3 times and say they get 24 million viewers a day. So the comparison is a joke, to compare an hour show and the 2 reruns to one 30 minute news show is insane.

Issue #5 -

I have seen the ratings for his 10:00pm rerun, and it was about 980,000 to 1 million. But nobody puts out a rating for a 3:00am rerun, so how do you know he also gets a million viewers for the 3:00am rerun?

Are we supposed to believe O'Reilly, you can if you want to, but I sure as hell will not believe it until I see it.

The main point of O'Reilly saying what he did was to make his braindead viewers think his ratings are great, and increasing. But the truth is the factor ratings have dropped every month since October of 2005.


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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 06:50 PM
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6. It's what David Brock (Media Matters) told Keith Olberman last night
which is why it's so important that mediamatters.org closely monitors and scrutinizes O'Lielly for lies and disinformation.

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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 06:54 PM
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8. Not four million viewers...
... Four million delusions. :evilgrin:


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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 06:55 PM
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9. YEah I'm going to believe a Fox News story about their own
ratings... who are they kidding...
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stewert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 10:39 PM
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23. Ratings.........

I get my ratings from cablenewser.com, and he gets them right from Neilson. O'Reilly averages 2.2 million total viewers a night. And he has roughly 400,000 viewers a night in the 25 to 54 demo, and those are not FOX news numbers.

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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 07:03 PM
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10. Don't forget the troops where by Faux is the only choice.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 07:04 PM
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11. O'Really?
And who are the "college people"?
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stewert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 10:37 PM
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21. Demo.........

O'Reilly gets about 400,000 viewers a night in the 25 to 54 demo, and the average age of a factor viewer is 68 years old. I doubt very much that any college kids are watching the factor, except maybe a few members of the young Republicans club.

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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 07:05 PM
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12. Living proof that Faux watchers are brain dead.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 07:07 PM
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13. ... much of whom are comedians looking for material or just gawkers,
who are watching a train wreck in progress. :D



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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 07:08 PM
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14. How come almost every thread you post is something out of FOX news?
Just an observation. :shrug:
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 08:13 PM
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15. Because they are more dangerous than people think
Hoepfully my posts will inspire people to write emails complaining about thier BS, they have a lot of power and have gotton away with so much. Can you imagine what its going to be like near the mid terms.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 09:45 PM
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16. Don't forget what Keith always says...
"That many flies can't be wrong!"
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stewert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 10:08 PM
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17. IT'S A LIE !

The O'Reilly Factor gets roughly 2.2 million viewers a night, so in other words, O'Reilly is lying. Not only did he say he gets 4 million viewers a night, he said he is creeping up on CBS news, even though they get 8 million viewers a night.

In fact, the Factor ratings have dropped 5 ratings periods in a row.

This is the 3rd quarter O'Reilly Factor rating from 6-27-05 to 9-25-05

Rating - 2.5
Total Viewers - 2,820,000

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/original/q305ranker.pdf

This is the average O'Reilly Factor rating for October 2005

Rating - 2.3
Total Viewers - 2,600,000

www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/original/oct05ranker.pdf

This is the average O'Reilly Factor rating for November 2005

Rating - 2.2
Total Viewers - 2,500,000

www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/original/nov05ranker.pdf

This is the yearly average for the O'Reilly Factor from 12-27-04 to 12-25-05.

Rating - 2.2 -- Total Viewers - 2,490,000 -- 25 to 54 Demographic - 564,000

www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/original/2005ranker.pdf

O'Reilly Factor Ratings Drop to 2.0 For January 2006

Rating - 2.0
Total Viewers - 2,325,000

www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/original/jan06ranker.pdf

O'Reilly Factor Ratings Drop Again to 1.9 For February 2006

Rating - 1.9
Total Viewers - 2,228,000

www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/original/feb06ranker.pdf

Here is exactly what he said:

O'REILLY: Time now for "The Most Ridiculous Item of the Day."

This morning, USA Today ran a nice box in the "Life" section showing "The Factor's" ratings success. We really appreciate that. But as usual, our total audience was underestimated, because cable is different from broadcast TV.

Those of you on the West Coast, for example, can watch network news at the same time those of us on the East Coast see it, early in the evening. That's because the networks delay the West Coast and Mountain Time zone broadcast.

But cable does not delay. We feed out at 8 Eastern, and it's seen at 5 Pacific. That's why we rerun "The Factor" twice, so that everybody can have a shot to see it in prime time.

"The Factor's" total cumulative, 24 hours, about four million viewers a night, not counting the Direct TV people and the college people. That makes us very competitive with the late night network shows and the net morning programs. We also are creeping up on "The CBS Evening News".

Finally, I don't think I thank you guys enough for your loyalty, and that might be ridiculous.




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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 10:32 PM
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19. Probably helps that Cheney and the White House keep it on 24/24. nt
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rustydog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 10:33 PM
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20. 300 million americans, network news counts viewers in
double digit millions...OReally counts his in single digit numbers....
he should stick to his books on tape sex stories.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 10:37 PM
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22. I hear there's this new kinda math...
Democrats are responsible for the 8 trillion debt...
We don't need that many troops in iraq, they'll happily hand their country over to us...
In counties with only 600 registered voters, bush received 1,600 votes...
You don't have to finish counting all the ballots...
And since there's more white people in affluent areas in red counties, their voting lines are mere minutes and since there are more Black people in lower-economic areas, their voting lines should be just a mere ten hours.

This new math just keep tripping me up, too. Thankfully, we have o'lielly and faux news to clear it up for us.









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