Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

"Americans have elevated denial to a form of art."

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
 
Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 10:48 PM
Original message
"Americans have elevated denial to a form of art."
Hungarian acquaintance of mine uttered this today. And he's old enough to remember the revolution.

Thought I'd share it. Valid, you think? Unfair?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 10:49 PM
Response to Original message
1. Completely valid.
Peace.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 10:50 PM
Response to Original message
2. Valid for 1/3 of Americans, maybe. And some of them are
shaking themselves out of it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 10:59 PM
Response to Original message
3. I use the word 'delusional' all the time nowadays.
And 'stupid,' too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 11:06 PM
Response to Original message
4. 100% valid.
We are only exceeded, as I consider it, by the Germans of the 1930s.

But we are catching up on the outside.

NOTE: Equalling the 1930s Germans in levels of denial & living in false realities does NOT mean we will be having Industrialized Death Camps. More likely it will only be Slave Labor Camps.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
spacelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. Slave Labor Camps? Is that all? Then I wash my hands of the whole
situation.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 11:37 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. Slaves to do what though? We don't make or produce anything anymore.
I guess the slaves would be the military and sanitation.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
spacelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. I was in deep denial. Isn't it sad though, that we are not known for
quality goods? We are only known for world's deadliest nanny-state police foreign relations.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 11:30 PM
Response to Original message
6. Far beyond simple denial. We are into delusion and mass hypnosis
now.

In that sense - not valid because it's too simplistic.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 11:33 PM
Response to Original message
7. Something bad is making Americans dumb. Is it the physical
environment, or some kind of strange educational things happening? Look at how we have handled ourselves during the past 10 or 15 years. We are the dumbest Country in the world. Sad.

What ever edge we had in certain high tech fields will be lost as a result of out sourcing. Thanks Mr. Gates and others. (actually Gates brings in the foreigners with green cards. Same difference)

GM for example keeps whining about labor costs. If they would get the engineers off of the ass and build some great cars, the profits would happen. Why don't they hire the Toyota and Honda engineers away for the other companies? Throw some money at it. The fact that foreign car companies can build the cars in the U.S. with no appreciable drop in quality proves the the engineering is the key.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #7
12. Well, that would mean that management is making bad decisions.
And management knows that can't possibly be so.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 12:06 AM
Response to Reply #12
14. Bingo. That is exactly what is happening in corporations all
over America. The CEO are thinking like accountants. (That's because they are focusing on their stock options.) So, what we have is a combination of accountants and attorneys planning the strategies and all they want is their few hundred million and they're out of there.

If Japan can design a great car, why can't Detroit? Are Japanese smarter than Americans? I don't really think so. The people with creative engineering skills apparently are being allowed to think and innovate. Too bad. But, that's life. And speaking of life, as the U.S. plummets in it's ability to design and build anything and standards of living are headed downward, it is inevitable that America will be a third world country within 40 years. The rich people will be living in gated enclaves, hiding from the hungry citizens at the walls of their compounds. Sooner or later, all hell will break loose and their money won't do them much good.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Porcupine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 02:06 AM
Response to Reply #7
16. We have to deny that we steal for a living. All of us.
Our clothes, our shoes, our food, most of our consumer goods are made by people who have little choice. In much of the world it's work for the yankee dollar or starve. Should you try to organize a labor union you will be found dead or beaten in a ditch. If the police weren't the ones who beat you they will do nothing to protect you.

Every adult who watches television KNOWS THIS IS TRUE. And we do not care. Hell, worse, we make a stink about how "Christian" we are. The denial is killing us. Our college students drink massively to shut something out; what?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tservo Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 03:44 AM
Response to Reply #7
18. America is resting on its laurels
They won the cold war, they're fat and happy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 11:46 PM
Response to Original message
10. Part denial, part uninformed and part laziness...
Still your friend makes a very valid point.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PatrioticLeftie Donating Member (909 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 11:52 PM
Response to Original message
11. Unfair summery
I'm so tired of all these generalizations.

Although it is accurate for a minority of people, those lonely 34%.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #11
26. mind you
that 30% used to be 90%.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 11:55 PM
Response to Original message
13. I nominated it because it would be a great Bumper Sticker or
Sound Bite.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 12:09 AM
Response to Original message
15. apt.
:kick: / R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 02:08 AM
Response to Original message
17. I agree
Tell him thank you for telling it like it is, if you ever see him again.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 05:30 AM
Response to Original message
19. When good men do nothing...
Remember Nuremberg...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 06:28 AM
Response to Original message
20. Valid. Fair. Accurate. Honest. Painful but true
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 07:15 AM
Response to Original message
21. caller on washington journal, just now stated
that the nsa spying only happens if one person in a call is "a suspected al qeada" member. Of course that is how the repubs frame it - but reading about it, it is clear that there is no such caveat.

I would call that denial.

Still believing any spin - and not questioning the credibility of the source that has proved to lie and lie again - yep an elevated form of denial.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 07:59 AM
Response to Original message
22. ANYTHING but reality!!
Edited on Sat Mar-25-06 08:02 AM by Xap
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 08:18 AM
Response to Original message
23. "All politics is local" If it doesn't directly affect them, it doesn't
exist.

Most people go about leading their own narrow lives. Their family, their neighborhood, their friends. What's going on in the rest of the world is only of interest or concern if it somehow intrudes into their comfort zone.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ufomammut Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 09:11 AM
Response to Original message
24. America is in the terminal stages of psychological avoidance
Never underestimate the power of denial.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 09:29 AM
Response to Original message
25. Been saying this for years.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 11:05 AM
Response to Original message
27. spot on
our national apathy is staggering and embarrassing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 11:14 AM
Response to Original message
28. Agree with your friend hands down.
There are people around DU still saying that 9/11 wasn't LIHOP/MIHOP after all the sh*t the BFEE has done the past 5 years! That to me is denial to the nth degree. :crazy:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
windy252 Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 11:16 AM
Response to Reply #28
29. Even I've started coming around to the possibility of
MIHOP but sometimes I wonder if denial would be better.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 12:08 PM
Response to Original message
30. Real Shock & Awe: After 15 Years War & Sanctions 1,000,000 Iraqis Dead
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 03:05 AM
Response to Original message
31. An Understatement...n/t
:cry:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 03:49 AM
Response to Original message
32. Wow! That quote sums up the last 5 years at least. Phew.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr 30th 2024, 02:32 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC