Official NSA Spying Hearing Thread # 2

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GET RID OF HATCH!!

Saying it diminished the power of the Prez to do his job. (I have heard this theory. Bypass the question of illegality and just declare that the PRez could do what he wanted anyway. The Constitution said so and always has. Sigh!)

I have not been able to stand this asshole since Clinton impeachment....

He shills legal for the White House...is a giant fucking hypocrit...the law is only the law when it furthers his career or his nasty rasict ideology.

Leahy didn't seem to be up for very long.

This is an important issue and they have a timer. I just don't understand that at all.

Hatch, using the Republican, takes too damn long to constrain Bush from spying right away

He's trying to get them to declare that there is a loophole for the OMG THE WORLD IS GOING TO END provision. As long as there is one loophole, they will use it. Fuckwads.

:shrug:

:rofl:

collecting surveill

clears the probable cause hurdle for FISA.

DIFI like the extension of 72 hours to days.

Let's go DIFI
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

...Feingold can!

Two Feins are better than one! :rofl:

Foreign power outside the country, target inside the country.

are FISA's rules binding on the president.

Kornblum-NO president has ever agree to that.

what an ASS!

isn't the point of FISA to bind the president?

that Bush already broke the law)

held to be constitutional"---crapola.

Why doesn't someone read the Constitution to them??

stein.

the FISA laws (Specter reimating judges responses)

only

STFU Arlen stop giving them the party line.

If they can't say it the way he wants, he'll say it for them.

It's just like the Alito hearings. :puke:

Someone needs to tell him that he cannot feed answers to the panel.

that the wiretaps being discussed are ALL al-Qaeda/terrorism related?

And are the Dems buying that load again?

foreign power surveillance with the target domestic

Just my $.02.

Ensuring that they can't say "Well, we're not telling you everything."

BAKER-at district court level, would have trouble putting out evidence obtained that way

we find ourselves in, but is just lip service for what happened before?

edited typo

since they're recording it.

spying (unlawful)---asks What are we missing here?

of the president. Durbin says he can't read FISA any other way since it says EXCLUSIVE

:yourock: durbin

Anyone here who can say that the Prez didn't violate the FISA law when he did the wiretaps?

Why are they there???

I agree. If they can't speak to what is actually happening, then they are debating in a vacuum. They have no first hand knowledge of anything that is happening!

Judge: "I don't know the program."

Kennedy says that we're not missing anything so STFU stupid judge :argh:

president running around the statute?

Thank goodness there's ONE guy on here with some sense.

could be a friendly.

I have to assume all of the Dems are.

The purpose of this hearing is to gather support for something the Dems don't even understand.

The actual spying activity encompasses far more than the Gonzales testimony indicated. (Actually, his testimony did indicate a larger operation because he repeatedly used phrases like "this particular program," but Dems were not willing to listen.)

The Dems are failing us horribly by allowing this "hearing" to go forward without pinning the Pukes down on what the hell the witnesses are testifying about.

This activity, by design, will lead to a law which enables/permits secret spying without oversight. It will give Bush the RIGHT to spy on Americans without warrant. The Dems must be blamed as much as the Pukes. This is sickening.

Please continue discussion in the ongoing threads. :hi: