Can we please talk about something other than illegal immigration?

I'm tired of the issue. IMO, most of the bother is over a bad economy anyway. People are scared about not having a job tomorrow, so they get bent outta shape at new competition who might make it even harder than it already is to get and keep a job.

We should be talking about how to avert the Bush economic armageddon... I don't know how to do that unless we can take back control of our government and pass some laws that don't give corporations carte blanche to export jobs, import products they manufacture elsewhere with cheap labor, and avoid taxes on the profits.

What we're seeing is a total gutting of the US economy in deference to economic globalism, which is reducing the American standard of living. Pretty soon we won't have to worry about illegal immigration because soon enough our economy will be so bad and so few jobs will be available that the illegals will have better job prospects if they stay home.

The only people who will win are the rich investors....

Bugs and dirt aren't exactly healthy... or edible, either.

cheap labor is going to kill this country to the point we might just become a transit point to Canada.

...on the issue. All I see is debate back and forth. Yes, illegal immigration is good and should continue. No, illegal immigration is bad and should stop. Yes. No. Yes. No.

What's the point?

As a matter of fact we never do things for the right reasons, but that's for another day. It is a complicated issue because we (America) allowed this to happen by not having a real border policy to begin with. Why? Because of money. Every thing in this country leads to money. In this case money is being made by having cheap labor.

Is anyone for treating people as sentient, intelligent creatures in
command of their own facilities, who are responsible for their own actions,
and if you slip on some grease at the garage when you're watching them
change the tires on your car, tough titties.... you stood in it.

But rather, our culture has people suing the garage for letting the customer
stand in a dangerous place, and hence why they confine you to the waiting
room, a senseless customer incapable of rational thought or choice.

When does the citizen get back the mojo?

monitor maybe? I think it's a hardware problem you are having, not a DU topic problem.

over the last year. bush is succeeding in one area, creating the super rich. I'm certain the number of abject poor has increased significantly more over that same period but who wants to dwell on the negative? Right? :sarcasm:

.....if we can make Vicente Fox and the Mexicans that came into our country illegally and the Chamber of Commerce happy, it shouldn't bother us that it will make Americans poorer.

much of the native American population who were here LEGALLY.

Yes we as a country consistently screwed the Indians in that period from 100-500 years ago, but I (and most of us living) had nothing to do with it, and neither did most of our ancestors, so why should we feel guilty? Besides that's history. If all we worried about was spilt milk, we wouldn't get much done in the time that's really important, which is today and tomorrow.

My view is that today in the USA we really need skills and science more than ever, and this amnesty immigration bill is creating another underclass that will squeeze our existing citizen underclass even more than it's already been squeezed, and require the already burdened middle class to pay more of a burden for the social services.

shall have. As far as technology to save our country, or at least its energy resources, see Danbury Connecticut for some uplifting technology coming to a power grid near you.

www.FuelCellEnergy.com

but some focus close in on particular aspects of the picture, others look at the whole tableaux.

I get what you're saying.