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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:19 AM
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Official Censure Hearing Thread # 3- Judiciary Committee
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:20 AM
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1. Turner- (ASS) up- witness
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:20 AM
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2. Thank you - Who is there for the DEMS??
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:20 AM
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4. John Dean will be there
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:23 AM
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17. Dean already referred to as a "convicted felon" by asswipe Cornyn.
Who had the nerve to question Dean being brought before this "august" body. I don't think I'm going to be able to watch much more of this.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:25 AM
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27. I can't wait for John Dean's response to Cornyn's slur of him.
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:20 AM
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5. I only see Feingold and Leahy-but haven't seen a shot of the dais
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:21 AM
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9. Feingold and Leahy - thats it???? WTF - 2 DEMS plus witnesses
Edited on Fri Mar-31-06 10:22 AM by stop the bleeding
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:21 AM
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8. They better show up!
I will be fit to be tied!


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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:25 AM
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28. What would you like to be tied with?????
The Dems are standing up Feingold. It's their desire to put the junior member of the committee in his place.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:20 AM
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3. Looks like no Dems have opening statements (but I missed the beginning)
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:21 AM
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6. Yes, they did, the hearing started at 9:30 but Cspan didn't start
showing it till 10
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:25 AM
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26. What...the Dems already Spoke? No....
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:21 AM
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7. Russ was grinning, shaking his head in the background.
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:22 AM
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11. Turner really makes the rounds-I first saw him at Torture Pimp's Georgetow
speech. He believes the President's executive power trumps everything. He probably wishes we were ruled by a king.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:23 AM
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15. Only if the King's a Con n/t
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:24 AM
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21. Turner's a menace--full of misinformation, delivered with authority
he makes the rounds for sure
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:24 AM
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18. FYI - Leahy & Russ made excellent opening statements - C-Span
did not carry them live. Surprise, surprise. Instead C-Span yammered on and on about college basketball.

Now going to witnesses - the repugs always have a ready supply of liars on speed dial to "testify" for their idea of Constitutional powers for their guys.

I hate this GD bunch of a$$wipes. If we don't take back this government in November there will be nothing left to save.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:25 AM
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29. Thanks, missed the beginning. n/t
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:26 AM
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32. I do wonder if they did that on purpose-I mean, I LOOKED at the judiciary
website this morning just in case because I didn't want to miss it, and the WEBSITE said 9:30
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:29 AM
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45. Cspan schedule has been manipulated by RW since its beginning.
.
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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:22 AM
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10. The Pres's not breaking the law because all Pres's break law.
I BEG YOUR !(#*$!( PARDON!?!?!? :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:22 AM
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14. Even if that were true.... SO???????
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:22 AM
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12. Stupid logic on "even George Washington"...
Washington didn't have a FISA Law you dipshit!!!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:25 AM
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25. Opening the mail of your enemy is a bad analogy to wiretapping
Besides, laws have been passed since then to restict the unlimited use of spying.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:22 AM
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13. THIS FUCKING SUCKS - THE SENATE NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT TO
A HALT!!!
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:23 AM
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16. It's not a hearing, it's a fucking disaster.
WHERE ARE THE DEMS (OR ANYONE WITH BRAIN CELLS) WHO CAN COUNTER THIS GOP BULLSHIT ?!?!?
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:24 AM
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22. Feingold has 2 witnesses-Specter said that people could ask about
how QUALIFIED the witnesses are to speak to this. Specter and the Repbs are gunning at Feingold.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:26 AM
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33. Bruce Fein, Republican, should be great witness for Feingold.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:28 AM
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41. And in doing so are discrediting and spitting on the witnesses
Unbelievable! Never thought I'd see this in my lifetime.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:31 AM
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51. It sure exposes what we Dems are up against. Scurrilous Repugs...n/t
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Voltaire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:34 AM
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59. Just like I said it would be
They aren't interested in doing anything but trashing Feingold. I can't even see or hear the feed and knew that was going to happen.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:24 AM
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19. Thanks, Dems Judiciary Committee are they lost?
http://judiciary.senate.gov/members.cfm


Arlen Specter
CHAIRMAN, PENNSYLVANIA

Orrin G. Hatch
UTAH

Patrick J. Leahy
RANKING DEMOCRATIC MEMBER, VERMONT

Charles E. Grassley
IOWA

Edward M. Kennedy
MASSACHUSETTS

Jon Kyl
ARIZONA

Joseph R. Biden, Jr.
DELAWARE

Mike DeWine
OHIO

Herbert Kohl
WISCONSIN

Jeff Sessions
ALABAMA

Dianne Feinstein
CALIFORNIA

Lindsey Graham
SOUTH CAROLINA

Russell D. Feingold
WISCONSIN

John Cornyn
TEXAS

Charles E. Schumer
NEW YORK

Sam Brownback
KANSAS

Richard J. Durbin
ILLINOIS

Tom Coburn
OKLAHOMA




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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:27 AM
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35. Think DU needs to get busy and start phoning the Dems on that
committee and demand to know why they aren't at that hearing. I am so pissed right now I could spit nails.

Kennedy, Biden, Feinstein, Schumer and Durbin had better be hauling ass and getting behind Leahy and Feingold.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:34 AM
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63. I'm calling now! n/t
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:24 AM
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20. We must have a Revolutionary War going on! (Why haven't I heard?)
Edited on Fri Mar-31-06 10:25 AM by TahitiNut
Some people seem to think the country is covered with Armies at War and the whole population mobilized. The degree to which they're stretching this crap is appalling.
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Thorandmjolnir Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:26 AM
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31. Exactly
The other day in the Hamdan case, the Gov. lawyer said that Congress could suspend Habeas Corpus because 9-11 was like an invasion!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:29 AM
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43. It's pretty much the only hand they have to play, isn't it?
I mean the whole "all presidents break the law" bit is rather thin...
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melissinha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:25 AM
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23. Does anyone see the conflict of interest in this witness?
Edited on Fri Mar-31-06 10:25 AM by melissinha
His relationship to Poppy makes him absolutely unfit to give testimony and to give an impartial view.... This man has NO credibility!!! No credibility! :nuke:

THe audacity of thesen Republicans to defend their CHimpy is going to cost them....

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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:27 AM
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37. You mean his
job as presidential cocksucker. He's the nobel in the royal court who bows to a king and nothing more.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:30 AM
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46. Bush's hope was to escape accountability.............
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carolinalady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:25 AM
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24. Why do we let them twist the purpose of the ammendment?
The point is that Shrub blatently lied to the Am. people and Congress, not whether or not the law needs fixed. The law as it stands may not be good, but he is not above the law. If I break a bad law, I still get punished.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:32 AM
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52. WE don't. They do it no matter what and the PRESS should hold them
accountable. When the Democrats try to hold the GOPs to account, it is widely ignored by corporate media.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:26 AM
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30. I love when law professors reference fictional parts of the
constitution. "Censured the wrong person". Congress, for passing laws, apparently deserves to be censured for doing their constitutional duty to ensure American citizens are not being arbitrarily subject to tyranny.

The subject is not the surveillance of foreign terrorists, its the surveillance of citizens we need to make sure we do with respect for the law.

U of Virginia churns out another rightwing-flak. I hope they didn't burn their constitution in the law department because they obviously left this guy behind.

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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:27 AM
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34. Yes, FEIN up-finally somebody good
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:29 AM
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44. Wow! "You can lose the republic on the installment plan."
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:27 AM
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36. Fein is a perfect rebuttal to Turner--he can handle that phony
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:31 AM
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50. Fein is surprising me. Pleasantly.
hmmm
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:32 AM
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53. He ALWAYS gives a good argument -he's a hero
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:32 AM
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55. Indeed n/t
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:27 AM
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38. Fein-No permanent end to the war on terror
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:28 AM
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40. All the world is a battlefield (Bush claim)
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:27 AM
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39. Their arguements are weak



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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:29 AM
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42. Call & ask where our Dems are! phone #s:
Joe Biden
202-224-5042
state: Wilmington 302-573-6345
state: Milford 302-424-8090

DiFi
202-22403841
state: LA 310-914-7300
state: San Diego 619-231-9712
state: San Fran 415-393-0707
state: Fresno 559-485-7430

Dick Durbin
202-224-2152
State: springfield 217-492-4062
state: chicago 312-353-4952
state: marion 618-998-8812

Ted Kennedy
202-224-4543
state: boston 617-565-3170

Chuckie
202-224-6542
state: nyc 212-486-4430
state: buffalo 716-846-4111
state: albany 518-431-4070
state: binghamton: 607-772-6792
state: hudson valley 914-285-9741
state: long island 631-753-0978
state: rochester 585-263-5866
state: syracuse 315-423-5471

GO!

Qs: 'Why isn't the Senator attending today's meeting of the Judiciary Committee?"
"Why not?"
"Doesn't he think the testimony important?"
"Doesn't he think the issue worth debating?
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:31 AM
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I'm guessing the Rove's got hefty files on all of them
and suggested their support would bring on the equivalent of cement boots into the Potomac...compliments of the NSA spying BEFORE the public knew about it.
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:32 AM
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54. Called Biden's office
The staffer said he wasn't sure if he could make it - but he's get the information. Unbelievable. What a spineless asshole.
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:33 AM
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57. Remember this at elections-Biden "You're the Real Deal, Torture Pimp"
wants to be president. NOT.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:33 AM
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56. Witch, please put this up in the separate thread. I'm dialing now.
Thanks.
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:30 AM
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47. Fein-Even Presidents with good motives regularly over-reach
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:30 AM
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48. Fein: "Bush's intent was to keep the program secret forever."
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:31 AM
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49. FEIN-Bush Secrecy makes it impossible to evaluate its reasonableness
under the 4th amendment.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:34 AM
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65. Specter certainly is ripping through the witnesses. Shameful on such an
important issue for our democracy.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:33 AM
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58. Sure, Specter cuts FEIN off...not a word to Turner!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:34 AM
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60. Fein's time is up? WTF?
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:34 AM
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61. I'm guessing
another power worshiper.

Yep.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:36 AM
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67. Why Why Why Why Why!!!!
How is it that these people keep getting away with talking about the spying on Al Qaeda only...NOONE KNOWS THE EXTENT!!! THAT IS THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT!!!
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:34 AM
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62. is Baker and Hostetler "the" Baker?
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:34 AM
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64. >>>>> THREAD FOUR STARTED -LINK
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:35 AM
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66. call the senators that Witch posted in # 42
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:36 AM
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68. Called Durbin's office
Said he'd be there? Don't see him yet.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:36 AM
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69. Locking
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