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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:10 PM
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Why the hell did I become a Democrat???
(Cross-posted at Daily Kos)

As I bang my head against my desk, I must ask myself one question: when I left the Republican party almost 2 years ago, why, oh why, did I bother to become a Democrat?

It has been dawning on me very slowly that the Democratic party, for the most part, is in the pocket of corporations almost as much as the Republican party. It has also been dawning on me that our representatives in the House and the Senate care a lot more about getting releected than they care about whether George Bush is spying on me in violation of my 4th Amendment rights. Russ Feingold and Leahy, perhaps Boxer, seem to be the only ones who care about that. They are the only ones who care if Bush sent his thugs into my house to search my belongings and perhaps leave listening devices, actions which they have yet to deny doing in addition to wiretaps on the phone.

Do the powermongers in the administration have any reason to do any of this to me? Of course not. But who is holding them accountable? Who is keeping them from doing this to their political opponents? Who is keeping them from spying on bloggers who disagree with them? No one. That is who.

And only 2 of our senators bothered to show up for this hearing.

Senator Biden's office told me that he had earlier engagements. I said that is bullshit. I said that if I were a senator, there would be no higher responsibility for me than to be at this meeting, safeguarding my constituents' fourth amendment rights.

I called Schumer's office. I told the person who answered and who told me that they are being inundated with calls about the senator's absence from this hearing, that I may very well not vote in November. Why should I vote for Hillary, when she and Chuck Schumer don't care that Bush is spying on me? What is the difference? And, I told the aide, if enough people get disgusted, as I am, and we don't vote or we vote third party, then Hillary may not even be reelected as a Senator in 2006. Tell Schumer that for me, I told him. Tell Schumer that I have gotten off Hillary's email list, and have sent money to Feingold. Tell him that lots of us have done things like that, and we will continue to do so.

I am sick. I cannot believe that our rights have been usurped by these scum, and that the members of the Democratic party have been willing accomplices in this. Kennedy, Biden, Schumer, Durbin - and others who are not on the committee: Clinton, Lieberman, they have spoken volumes with their silence. I am done with these wimps. My question is: Where do I go from here??

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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:14 PM
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1. Canada?
But they've just had a right-wing takeover...

France? Venezuela? If the GOP hates them, they can't be all bad.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:34 PM
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12. A minority-governmnet, might-last-six-months takeover.
It's not at ALL as fatal as some are spinning it to be.

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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:41 PM
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18. Thanks for the encouragement.
I need to start looking for real estate in Toronto. :-)

My wife has a friend who's a cousin of the previous guy, Paul Martin. I dunno why I said that.
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WhoWantsToBeOccupied Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 05:18 PM
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30. No! Let's take back our country one race at a time. NedLamont.com!
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Montauk6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 03:18 AM
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51. Egads! Is the whole WORLD becoming red???
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PVK Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:15 PM
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2. Become an independent and vote your conscience.
Vote for and support whomever you want, such as Russ Feingold.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:15 PM
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3. Because the Repukes are 20 times worse. Too many politicians and not
Edited on Fri Mar-31-06 04:16 PM by IsItJustMe
enough people like Russ Feingold that has true character and stands on principle and integrity.

As far as where you go, I have no idea. The only suggestion I have is, deal with it. There are no other real choices as of now.
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NoAmericanTaliban Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:18 PM
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4. That is one of the most frustrating things about being a progressive
is that there isn't one party in power that represents you. The Dems have their issues but are certainly better than the Grand Oil Party. There are a number of good Dems like Feingold that do need our support. Maybe a 3rd party - by system is rigged against them & will split the democratic party so the GOP will win. What we need is a 3rd party Christain Fundie party that will draw votes away from the GOP.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:22 PM
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6. There are some fringe RW parties out there. But apparently they do not
pull enough support out there to make a difference. One of them that I am thinking of is the Constitutional Party.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:35 PM
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13. Grand Oil Party is good...
...but I think of them (well, starting just now, when it came to me) as the Grabbing Oil Party.

:D

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:19 PM
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5. The party base has been staying home or voting for those
illusory tax cuts for the past 26 years. The liberal wing of the party has been out of power for 37 years, although a few liberals still remain in Congress. With neither party representing their interests, 51% of the electorate says to hell with it all and stays home and comfy on election day.

This is shameful.

I can't in all conscience vote for my milksop Democratic Senator this year. He's sold me out one to many times. However, I'll still be hauling myself to the polls to vote to oust my appalling representative, Heather Wilson, so I'll be voting Green for Senator. I think Senator Milksop will probably be returned to office, but I want my vote to be counted as a protest against him. If enough people agree with me, we may provoke a change. If enough people agree with me, we may provoke a proper challenge in 2012.

If you stay home, your vote isn't counted at all. If you make the effort to get to the polls and cast a protest vote, you will be counted. The big two parties have always changed only when forced to by the bottom up and by challenges to them from upstart parties and political movements that were gaining traction with their traditional base.

It's frustrating, I know, because in the absence of national upheaval, this process takes years. However, by voting, whichever way you do, you become part of that process.
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:22 PM
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7. I am going to vote but there is NO WAY Hillary DLC Clinton
is getting my vote for Senator. I think I will write in my own name in protest.

I would not be the least bit upset if she lost the Senate race - at least that would derail her march for the presidency.

(I cannot believe what I am saying - I, an ex-Republican, find Hillary too Republican for me. But for me, it is all about Populism.)
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:26 PM
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8. We need a populist movement...
we need to get corporate money the hell out of our elections. It's the only way.
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:34 PM
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11. You are 100% correct n/t
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justabob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 06:44 PM
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44. Agreed.
Populism is the way to go, particularly economic populism, as opposed to the social populism the right practices.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:32 PM
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9. Answer
So you can vote the Vichy Democrats out in the primaries.

Do you live in Connecticut?
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:33 PM
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10. No, I live in NY, but I won't be voting for Hillary
I am going to write my own name in. Or Donald Duck's. Or a third party candidate if we have a progressive one.
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Steepler0t Donating Member (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:40 PM
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17. I know this is unpopular
Edited on Fri Mar-31-06 04:43 PM by Steepler0t
But green party is as close to a major party as we can get with a actual progressive platform, http://www.gp.org/platform/2004/

Hopefully they can get another front man besides Nader though, he is tainted goods.

Dems are past there last leg with me too, I am hopping mad and growing weary.

Where to go? Where is the opposition party that represents so many peoples views?
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:57 PM
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22. Maybe Feingold will go Green!!
And then take the 40% of Dems who agree with him, and build from there.
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Steepler0t Donating Member (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 05:22 PM
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31. I would be for that
Mass exodus of real progressives to leave the corp-huggers reeling.

I like it :)

I would be fine with Dems waking up though, so many problems with getting people confident in a third parties chances.

Maybe a threat to bolt? A wake up call?
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 07:21 PM
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49. It won't happen
But it would put the so-called party leaders on the spot. The Dick Licking Collaborationists are always trying to read the Progressives out of the party. Just let them try to win an election without us.
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Frosty1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:36 PM
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14. Question?
With the new electronic voting machines will we have the option of a write in candidate?
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 06:02 PM
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37. Hi Avabea!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:36 PM
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15. Read this description...
The Republic has a tradition of allowing extreme powers in a time of war. The legislature has been lazy, partisan, and self interested. The people were sick of the legislature, and when the leader took power no one did anything to stop him, because the legislature was so corrupt. Sound like America? It was the Roman Republic before it became the Roman Empire. The leader who crossed the Rubicon both realistically and figuratively was Julius Caesar. The Legislature was the Roman Senate. History bites doesn't it?
from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_republic#History_of_the_Roman_Republic

"The beginning of the end
Economic and Political strife in Rome

Rome's military and diplomatic successes around the Mediterranean resulted in unforeseen economic and political pressures on the state. While factional strife had always been part of Roman political life, the stakes were now far higher; a corrupt provincial governor could acquire unbelievable wealth; a successful military commander needed only the support of his legions to rule vast territories.

Starting with the Punic Wars, the Roman economy began to change, concentrating wealth in the hands of a few powerful clans and causing political tension within Rome.

Much of the newly conquered territories were seized by rich and powerful families. Additionally, as only men who could provide their own arms were eligible to serve in the Legions, the majority of Roman troops came from the middle class land holders who theoretically would be fighting to defend their own lands. With military campaigns now lasting years rather than just a few months, soldiers could not return to work their farms. With their holdings lying fallow, their families quickly fell into debt, and their lands were lost to debtors - typically wealthy landholders who consolidated these properties into vast latifundia. Formerly middle-class soldiers would return from years of campaigning to find themselves landless, unable to support their families, and ironically, unemployable because the successes of the Legions made slaves a much cheaper source of labor.

By 133 BC the economic imbalance was too acute to ignore, but the wealthy patricians and old families in the Senate had a vested interest in preserving the status quo. It seemed that a land reform through the traditional channels was an unlikely prospect."

"The key issue was whether or not Caesar would be able to stand for the consulship of 48 BC in absentia. Caesar's governorship's would expire at the end of 49 BC, and so would his immunity from trial. He was sure to be charged with violations of the constitution stemming from his consulship of 59 BC, which could result in his political and probably even physical, death. If he was allowed to run in absentia, he could immediately assume another consulship, and then following that, immediately assume a new governorship, always maintaining his immunity. The optimates were heavily opposed to Caesar's standing in absentia, and on the first of January, 49 BC, passed a law declaring Caesar a public enemy and demanded his return to Rome to stand trial. Pompey was given absolute authority to defend the Roman Republic. This news reached Caesar probably on January 10, and proclaiming "alea iacta est" - "the die is cast" (in fact, he said it in Greek, quoting Menander), Caesar crossed the Rubicon River (the boundary between Cisalpine Gaul and Italy) with his army. Civil war had begun again.
Caesar, leading a tough veteran army, quickly swept down the Italian peninsula, and encountered meager resistance from freshly recruited legions. The only exception was at Corfinium, where Gnaeus Domitius Ahenobarbus was defeated. Caesar pardoned him, under his notable policy of clemency — he wanted to let everyone know that he would not be the next Sulla. He took Rome without opposition, and then marched south to try and stop Pompey, who was trying to withdraw from Brundisium across the Adriatic Sea to Greece. Caesar came close, but Pompey and his armies were able to escape at the last minute.
In 48 BC Pompey controlled the seas, and his legions heavily outnumbered Caesar's; but the legions of Caesar, after ten years of vigorous campaigns, were experienced veterans. Caesar, for his lack of a navy, solidified his control over the western Mediterranean, notably at Massilia and in Spain. Then he invaded Greece. The two leaders first faced each other at the Battle of Dyrrhachium, where Pompey won a major victory. Nevertheless, Pompey failed to follow up on his victory, and Caesar was able to regroup and win a decisive victory at the Battle of Pharsalus on the 9th of August. Pompey fled to Egypt, where he hoped to find assistance.
Caesar pursuing Pompey, arrived in Alexandria, capital of Ptolemaic Egypt, to find the breadbasket of the Mediterranean in a state of civil war. Agents of the young king, Ptolemy XIII, had assassinated Pompey and presented his head to Caesar, believing it would please him and that he would support Ptolemy against his sister, Cleopatra. Caesar was too a cunning politician to make such a mistake. In a careful way he lamented the inglorious death of Pompey, a fellow roman, and supported the military weaker side, whose gratitude would logically be much greater. He even began an affair with Cleopatra. A long, drawn-out city battle resulted, one of the most dangerous of Caesar's career, but he triumphed and placed Cleopatra on the throne along with another brother, Ptolemy XIV. Cleopatra later gave birth to Caesar's son, Caesarion, titled Ptolemy Caesar. Caesar hearing of an invasion in Asia Minor led by Pharnaces II of Pontus, the son of the old Roman enemy Mithridates, advanced there in 47 BC, and won a quick victory at the Battle of Zela. It was then that Caesar famously said: "Veni, Vidi, Vici" - "I came, I saw, I conquered."
In 46 BC Caesar went to North Africa to deal with the regrouping remnants of the pro-Pompeian forces under Cato the Younger and Titus Labienus. After a slight setback in the Battle of Ruspina he defeated them at the Battle of Thapsus. Much to Caesar's chagrin, Cato committed suicide. Caesar had wanted to pardon Cato, his most intractable foe, in order to gain popularity through further clemency. In 45 BC, he went to Spain, and won the final victory over the pro-Pompeian forces in the terrifying Battle of Munda. He said that before, he always had fought for victory, but in Munda he had fought for his life. He then returned to Rome; he had less than a year to live.
In that final year Caesar launched many reforms. He tightly regulated the distribution of free grain, keeping those who could afford private grain from having access to the grain dole. He reformed the calendar, changing from a Lunar to a Solar calendar and giving his gens name to the 7th month (July). This calendar, with minor changes made by Octavian (who would later rename the 8th month (August) after one of his titles) and Pope Gregory in 1582, has survived until now. He also reformed the debt problem. At the same time, he continued to accept enormous honors from the Senate. He was named Pater Patriae - "Father of his Country", and began wearing the clothing of the old Roman kings. This deepened the rift between Caesar and the aristocratic republican Senators, many of whom he had pardoned during the civil war.
In 45 BC he had been named dictator for ten years. This was followed up in 44 BC with his appointment of dictator for life. A two-fold problem was created; firstly, all political power would be concentrated in the hands of Caesar for the foreseeable future, in effect subordinating the Senate to his whims; and secondly, only Caesar's death would end this. As such, a group of about 60 senators, led by Gaius Cassius Longinus and Marcus Junius Brutus, conspired to assassinate Caesar in order to save the republic. They carried out their deed on the Ides of March 15 of March 44 BC, three days before Caesar was scheduled to go east to defeat the Parthians."
You see, this is to some extent history repeating a new Roman Republic as it were. This is why we should be worried.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:36 PM
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16. win Congress in 2006 and things will be much different
Please just stick it out. And fight in the primaries for your guy.

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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:47 PM
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19. Hey, you have joined us the people
the Democratic Party is the sum of its parts, we are down here, working for change, pick
up a pick and shovel, we're in for the long haul. While you were busy riding the elephant,
you didn't realize that he was trampling everything in his path. We have got to work as
a people, to make change happen, it's going to happen by leading the march to fill Dem
coffers in every state, so we can break loose from the corporate hold. Why are the Dems
gun shy. They are attacking on multiple fronts but they realize that Rove takes everything
and makes it into compost so they are using the stealth approach. it doesn't mean that
they are not serious. We are pushing for the Supreme Court to review cases of Bush abuse
on wiretapping, the GITMO question, etc. I am a life long Democrat, my Dad lost his job
because he was a Democrat, so don't tell me that the Dems are turncoats. No, we are not.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:55 PM
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21. That's right. And we won't give up without a huge fight.
There is half of this country, or more, that is not going down without a BATTLE. Many fought wars for this country. They didn't just sit in trenches for fun. If the Repubs think we're going to roll over, they're sorely underestimating how much we value this country. Now one thing is, that many people have been sleeping. So we're just waking up. Wait until we're fully awake, and there's no stopping the people.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 05:17 PM
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29. Hey, I am with you
and I put my money where my mouth is. I think blue, and I am looking forward to a
blue Christmas this November.

:-)
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:59 PM
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23. I did NOT say YOU were a turncoat
or your father, of course not. BUT, I wonder how many Dems now see their obligation as being for the people, not being for the corporations.

When a few times a year, Hillary mingles with her constituents, it is big news. Senators should be out and about every day they are not in Washington, doing our business. Even the idea of that happening is laughable today.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 05:15 PM
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28. we need to get the money and the numbers
two things any politician will pay attention to is money and numbers, a donation today
to Ned Lamont, would show you are sick of Lieberman and the DINOs, we have to show the Dem
Honchos that we mean it when we say that we are tired of this crap.
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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 05:40 PM
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33. Miss Waverly, can you tell me how your dad lost his job?
I ask because I believe the same happened to my dad - only in 1973. He was a solid Dem from the time he started voting, and got involved in campaigns. I remember being a kid and wearing a Robert "King" High straw hat in Florida, when Bob was running for governor; an Egan pin when Bill Egan was running here in Alaska, and of course as Catholics, the Kennedys were worshipped in our house.

But daddy got transferred as a labor relations negotiator for a major corporation. We arrived here pre-pipeline, and daddy was NOT a fan of the idea at all. He made no bones about it. Then, his job was "moved" to Clear Air Force Base, at that time a 3 to 4 hour drive on bad roads from Fairbanks. He came home only on weekends. He still didn't shut up, and still worked his butt off for Dem candidates all over the state.

In 1973, his job was "phased out". Until they replaced him. With a big Repuke/Big Oil supporter.

I feel for your dad. I still remember how stunned my daddy was when he was let go. He'd settled 3 strikes favorable to the Company in 4 years (one against the all-powerful Teamsters here in Alaska - but Jesse Carr was a buddy of dads, go figure). As part of the Human Resources department, he helped hire more minorities than had ever been employed by the Company in Alaska. His secretary was the first black woman hired by the company in that capacity (more like an executive assistant) ever.

But he didn't like Big Oil or the whores that came with it. He never really recovered from being fired, and died in 1983 at the age of 61.

WE MUST TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK. It didn't just start with Reagan, folks - it's been happening since Kennedy. If we don't wake up, we will certainly be living under a disguised dictatorship within 10 years.

I won't leave. But I have certainly prepared to go off the grid and the hell away from the American Taliban that seems to be taking over.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 05:50 PM
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35. my dad was ditch digger
He was a very easy going man and a fervent democrat. He would use an entire loaf of bread
when it snowed to make P&J sandwiches, he used to go out the door and say:
Goodbye kids, see you in 3 days, he drove a snow plow. He would pay $50.00 to go to the
Democratic dinners to support the party, these dinners consisted of hot dogs and beans.
Well, they elected a Republican governor, William Scranton, and the word
went around that there would be retribution for township employees if they did not
register as Republicans. My dad refused, so soon afterward, after he went back to the
shed to log out, they told him to take his lunch pail and go home & not to bother coming
back to work on Monday. Sorry about your dad, but you know what, for all the macho stuff
they go on with nowadays, our dads were real men, they would have laughed at all this
macho stuff.
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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #35
41. Your dad, and mine, would put these assholes in
Al Gore's house to shame.

Your dad was a man of strong beliefs and integrity. You must be proud.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 07:09 PM
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47. Thank you
I used to ask him was the greatest thing this country ever did,
this was when we had just walked on the moon, he said. "We beat Hitler." You are
right, my dad bought a paper every day, he was a proud citizen of this country and thought
running the country was everybody's job. From the top to the bottom. He took voting
very seriously.
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 06:35 PM
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43. I salute your father...
That type of honor, courage, and integrity is extremely rare these days. He is a hero in the truest sense of the word.:thumbsup:
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 07:06 PM
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46. Thanks
This is my letter to the world
That never wrote to him...

His message is committed
to hands i cannot see,
for love of him, sweet countrymen
judge tenderly of me!

I thought this quote was appropriate, it's from Emily Dickinson Poem 31, I changed the
pronoun to him.

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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:50 PM
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20. Where do you go from here? You go local.
Seriously, these days I pay only scant attention to Washington, and I certainly do not put my heart and soul there.

The lesson the Republicans learned when they were out of power is to build yourself a "farm team" of Republicans. That is what I am doing. So I am investing my time, money, and passion into local State Representative and judical races that most people have never heard of. I am more effective because less people are involved in local politics. And, I am building a base of local Dem elected officials that can eventually "move up" and get involved in statewide and national politics.

Fuck Washington. Take back the courthouse, the statehouse, and city hall.
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 05:02 PM
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26. I think I have turned hundreds of people in my area
from Republicans into Democrats - now what do I do with them?? Our local DFA supports a big-money candidate against our repub congressman; she is no populist. It seems everyone is in love with big money and celebrity, and a real populist has no chance in the Dem party today.

The irony is that if I were still a Republican, they would probably have loved to run me with my family's life story the last 5 years.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 05:25 PM
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32. Well, it does take money.
If you have money, you can buy mailers and local ads to get your message out to the people. So having money is always better than not having money.

As far as the people in your area, why not find a local campaign you CAN support? There's got to be someone running for city council, school board, state representative, state senate. Think globally, act locally.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 05:00 PM
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24. I want to walk
Edited on Fri Mar-31-06 05:01 PM by DanCa
I have young onset parkinson's disease. I need stem cell research for a possible cure. I need to live on what little disabilty insurance the system allows me. The Democrat's are the only party fighting for me right now. And I thank god for them. I'll always vote Dem because third party is too much of a risk for me.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 07:16 PM
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48. Hooray for you for going to Washington, DC to lobby
We are slowing getting government approval for stem cell research, and it can't come soon
enough.

:-)
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matt819 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 05:01 PM
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25. Bang away, but the fact remains. . .
that you couldn't wash the stink off quick enough every day if you were a republican. That's a simplistic answer, of course, but the reaslity is that, notwithstanding the spinelessness of some democratic politicians, you know that, as a democrat and as a liberal you have a sense of ethics, compassion, decency, humanity, etc., that republicans don't even have enough sense to even dream about.
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 05:02 PM
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27. I would shoot myself before I ever voted Republican again!!
Seriously.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 05:43 PM
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34. Join the club
Edited on Fri Mar-31-06 05:48 PM by OnionPatch
I've been a Democrat most of my life because I always felt the Republican's main goal was to preserve the status quo for rich, white, male, Protestants. (Of which only one of those applies to me.) But also, most of that time I've felt like I was only choosing the lesser of two evils. Therein lies the problem. Our system of democracy doesn't provide for third parties very well so we are locked in this two party system. What we really need is instant runoff voting and/or other such reform that would make third parties viable.

One thing that keeps me in the party is that most of my political heroes are Democrats. These would include Barbara Boxer (proud to claim her as my senator), Howard Dean, Dennis Kucinich, RFK, FDR.....and also, IMO the rank and file Democrats are just absolutely the best people in the world! :toast:

I've been thinking and here's my plan:

1. Work my butt off to get Dems elected this fall whether or not I agree with everything they do. I see no other real choice.

2. Once we've staved off the national disaster of having the Republicans control the whole country, it's time to start in on the push for Instant Runoff Voting so we can get third parties, and publicly funded campaigns.

Sorry our party has been a disappointment to you but most of us have the best of intentions. Let's hope we can change the party and the entire political process to something we can be proud of.
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matt819 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 05:55 PM
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36. Rich - White - Male - Protestant -- one in four
You're rich? Cool!
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 06:20 PM
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40. LOL
I'm rich in love, but that's it for me. :)
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 06:10 PM
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38. "Where do I go from here?? "
GO AWOL, hell who knows maybe the Supreme Court will S-elect you pResident next time!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 06:14 PM
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39. Revolution coming.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 06:25 PM
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42. I'm with you.
Everyone's in it for themselves these days.

We can either ask them "Why" or not support them the next time they ask for it.

Which means, come November, we don't vote for them. And we must encourage others to note vote and spread the word.

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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 06:52 PM
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45. I'm NOT leaving New DNC democratic Party!!!
I am patient and I know that, it take time to turn things around.
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RhodaGrits Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:26 PM
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50. I called Schumer's office too and wanted to know where
he could possibly be that was more important than sitting on that judiciary committee meeting. The staffer said a lot of people had been calling wanting to know the same thing. I got the impression that was *not* common. They have no f'g clue how angry people are.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 04:55 AM
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52. You became a D because the alternative was horrifying.
Think of how long it took you to realize what a mistake the Republican party became.
Let's call it mistake number one. I made this same mistake number one.
Think of how many are still there, where you once were, where we once were.

NOW:
If you want to have a party that is as sensible as you, and yet as strong as the strength of many many persons, then you will have to build a party that is sensible and GET A MAJORITY OF VOTERS TO AGREE WITH YOU.
You don't have that, do you?
The Greens don't; the Independents don't; none do, except: R's and D's.

Call it awful, wrong, stinking, slow, maddening, frustrating, dumb, whatever. Call it names all day all night.
Did you get your majority yet?
Nope.

Did you call, write, ask why your senator did not show?
Bet you did not.
Mistake number two.

So, your reaction will be to vote for one of the parties that don't have a chance. Parties that have Republicans funding them and pay people to go in and rile the angry folks very much like ourselves. Rile them with sayings like: "It's the principle that counts."
Well it's not.
It's the majority that counts.

You may think your are so smart, so principled, so above those D's, and far above those R's.
And, really, you are just back to mistake number one.
Right back where you started.

How long will it take for you to figure it out this time?
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suegeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 09:32 AM
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53. The Republicans are TERRIFYING, that's why
Edited on Sat Apr-01-06 09:36 AM by suegeo
At least you're not a fascist anymore.

Yes, the Democrats are disappointing, but at least they don't terrify me the way the thuggish fascist party does.

Plus, the fascists are terrible at national security (Sept. 11 happened on their watch, as well as two botched invasions of defenseless nations, the anthrax attacks designed to intimdate the opposition, as well as outing CIA agents, etc.)

And are also terrible at managing money.

And the "can't find their ass with both hands" fascists are trying to dictate that they know better about women's reproductive health than women do.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 10:47 AM
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54. Remember how many stood with the Black Caucus over the 2000 election
That one told the tale and all that has gone on since then has just reaffirmed it.
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