Dammit. Why are so many on DU such gloomy gusses? The MSM

is all over the Libby story and some just keep repeating the mantra "nothing will come of this' And worse"Depends what your definition of MSM is". I have just about had it. EVERY major news outlet is carrying this story. Print TV and radio. This is big news and it can't be argued away. Broad brush painting of all media isn't doing us any good. It sickens me when the media actually does their job and is STILL hatcheted by so call ed liberals. I am a liberal and I am joyful and thankful that today the media did their job and we should thank them. Maybe we will get better coverage if we express gratitiude instead of rancor. Ensd of rant

of 24/7 coverage of CM's fat ass BLOCKING out the DeLay story and the Plame conspiracy!

that's a really unpleasant thing to say. Was that necessary?

not Cynthia McKinney.

That seems a little odd. Maybe JStuart can respond to my questions him/herself.

I agree. But, I kind of wonder is the media just loves to go after the blood in the water more than they care about the nation. Oh, wait...I know the answer to that!

She'll be owing me a bottle of bubbly.

they control the media, they control all houses of congress. How?? He's TEFLON.

Time to take out the trash! LOL!!!

puppet and the fact this is getting so much play tells me the corporations are angry at * and allowing the MSM to take him down. Just my opinion. Could be totally wrong.

I'm just curious. I've watched as DUers I've respected have said, "THIS will bring the administration down." Each DUer picked a different event and claimed they hadn't said it before. We're still suffering under the * regime, in case folks hadn't noticed. As the scandals pile on some folks wake up, but I think we're down to the true blue (or, er, RED) folks who won't change their minds about * and the Repubs not matter what.

I have yet to make a prediction. In fact, I'm wondering if * will squirm his way out of this one.

Tell me why you think this is the last straw. I'm not trying to be a smartass. I really want to know. :) I'd be happy if it was the last straw, but I'm (understandably, I think) skeptical.

I'm not counting on anything just yet, but I would be happy for you to win that bet.

before :)

They have a history of backing away from negative * stories after awhile. What's going on?

exactly *how* will it be brought down? Will Bush and Cheney just resign? I don't see that happening. Will they go to jail? Who will prosecute them? Will they be impeached? Maybe, if congress totally flips this fall... but I've already heard lots of pre-poganda about how there really aren't enough to contested seats for the Dems to take over...

If someone showed me a plausible scenario for the "bringing down" of this administration, I'd love it!

I'm thrilled that this latest Plame thing is getting so much attention. However, I'm a tad suspicious. Since when has anything ever lead to Bush??? He's just a puppet. It's weird. Makes me think there's something else going on...

or retraction or correction, now a means nothing. But the straight scoop is that it demonstrates a manipulation of prewar intelligence by bushitler not a vallery outting.

clear as daylight: "Bush 'ordered leak', ex-aide says." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4885100.stm

time after time, the goons get away with it. Five years of corruption, illegal wars, leaks, lies, etc. and NO ONE has gotten what they deserve. The media, in this case, will just parrot the administration's line (when they come out with it), and the story will go the way of the rest of them.

Of course, I'm always hopeful that it will not, but my hopes have been dashed for the past 5 years. :-(

country. All the pain people have gone through. Exhausting and painful and sad.

I don't think many came home after WWII thrilled. They were sad and tired. And tested. And tried to build a better place.

Others are trolls. I myself suspect some of the more negative posts are interlopers.

the appropriate emotion.

I'm tired of posts that condemn folks for being too "pessimistic" or too "optimistic" or anything in between. People are going to feel what they feel for their own reasons.

Stop telling me how to feel.

I have no problem with real pessimism. I am a pessimist myself. I have a problem with wolves in sheep's clothing trying to discourage us.

I'm not telling you how to feel. I'm just asking you not to call people trolls if their emotions don't suit you. Is that too much to ask?

Sorry, but you are and I was not.

All reactions stem from emotion. You're denouncing my reaction while I was merely pointing out that we have trolls afoot. You're the one exhibiting control issues.

At this point, this nattering has gotten silly as hell. Welcome to my ignore list. :eyes:

recognize that most of the press actually ran with this story. Many say the press doesn't cover anything and then when they do they say it doesn't matter. That was my point. IMHO we might get a better reaction if we encourged the good reporters. I think the roses for Helen were excellent. Maybe a few more gestures to a the good ones would count for something.

i'm pessimistic because I have every fucking reason to be.

To be optimistic in this environment is to be blissfully ignorant as far as I'm concerned.

The damage wrought, to me, is already more than can be ameliorated simply by watching another scandalous event go down the memory hole. What happened to justice?

That isn't what I said. Do you guys not know what interlopers are? There are tons of trolls on this forum -- some of them even covert ops perhaps.

My pessimist remark was made as a question to her thesis, not a statement of fact. You feel what you need to feel. I frankly don't care. lol

there are trolls on this forum? That's a hugh revulashun!!1
;)

stickily lies. lolz.

If all someone ever has to say is "lose hope!" "give up!" do you really think that person is on your side? Pessimism and feeling discouraged are one thing, but I know trolling joy-suckers when I see them.

They're just here to (in rather sad and desperate fashion) spread grimness and despair which (in this climate) is kinda like setting a rainbird on a thousand acre wildfire. lol

...because every...........I mean EVERYthing else that has come down the pike about Bush and his administration has come to naught. I personally am for once going to get my hopes up that this is the straw that broke the camels back. If the Democrats & the MSM don't run with this one until they score a touchdown then there is no hope for America.

I think I can speak for everyone here you criticize, in that we hope with all our hearts and souls that you are right this time. We can't believe what they have gotten away with so far, when we thought they were nailed. Please don't be sickened. The raw money and power on the other side is something we have all run into, and we underestimate it at our own peril. Anyway, thanks for the optimism and kick in the butt. There's nothing wrong with that, either, and us curmudgeons need it every now and then.

For a reason. Just keep fighting the good fight. There are a lot of us celebrating today, but even I would caution against this. This cabal will not go easily.

Thats understandable IMO. I mean it happens so often you get conditioned that these aholes will just walk away whistling Dixie , while the country could give a shit.

I try to stay positive but it doesnt work sometimes.

piss and moan about anything. No matter how good or bad or whatever it may be. Also, when you get a bunch of people who care about these issues as strongly as most of us all do, then you always end up with those who are dissatisfied about something. Nothing is ever good enough, because sometimes we all hope for more. We hope that good coverage gets better and great coverage gets even greater. Human nature, psh... sucks. :)

They keep back and front pedaling so much I can't keep up.

We need to be pushing this hard.

i'm glad for what we have got. But what to do, what to do? Perhaps a collective censure....
but... Isn't this treason?

we still can't get our 'leaders' to get behind a censure, not an impeachment but a CENSURE, of the president.

I mean, WHAT DOES IT TAKE???

And we won't have those until next year.

...they have the elections.

It's all downhill from there. Now list the Bush scandals since then. I don't have the time. NOW we find out he's the traitor we always knew and who or what or when is anyone going to hold him to account? WHO? He's already declared himself ABOVE the law and the people of this country, and our "represenatives" have done squat about that. Are they on this? For how many days? If Fitzgerald doesn't indict him who will? Who will force him to resign for the "good of the party"? The good of the country THEY don't care about. Party is all with them. This war is the reason for the leak-it's his WHOLE PRESDIDENCY. It's a sham. And he's not going to give any of it up-his whole stupid ilusion of remaking the world because he can-unless SOMEONE forces him to. Again, who?

something big will blow up somewhere..or Osama will release a tape..or Saddam will put his underpants on his head..or they'll catch another al-Qaeda #3...and this story will fizzle out...

(I hope not though).

non-stop by our government.

The last POTUS who was doing the peoples business was Roosevelt(mostly by the handi-work of his wife Elenore one might add). I would classify the rest only doing what ever they did because their hands were forced.

Easy to get addicted to negativity. Some might fear they're losing their purpose too. What will they do without their cause. *sigh* Hopefully they will realize there's always somebody, somewhere, who needs their voice.

that's what's great about America. we can feel free to be negative about just about everything despite our blessings. GO USA! <cue lee greenwood>

And I see no bravery,
No bravery in your eyes anymore.
Only sadness.

There are children standing here,
Arms outstretched into the sky,
But no one asks the question why,
He has been here.
Old men kneel and accept their fate.
Wives and daughters cut and raped.
A generation drenched in hate.
Yes, he has been here.

And I see no bravery,
No bravery in your eyes anymore.
Only sadness.


http://nobravery.cf.huffingtonpost.com/

Dead American soldiers in war for oil, dead Iraqi civilians, dead New Orleans citizens, and he's still there. Worse, the corporate and religious forces backing him are still there whether he is or not. The problem is very deep, and shows all signs of deepening. This is simply stating facts and attempting to foment problem-solving.

even then I want to see who the Boy King is replaced by before I start celebrating.

I don't know.

A couple of hours ago I asked "Is there a full moon tonight? Everyone seems to be in a very weird mood."

I noticed it but I don't have any explanations. :shrug:

only to end up terribly disappointed when the scandal slides off the Teflon pResident and his cronies. It's taken a toll on us, both emotionally and psychologically. We don't want to get our hopes up and end up with nothing ... AGAIN.

It's not pessimism; it's caution. We're just trying trying to preserve our sanity, you know what I mean? :crazy:

I am not complaining, but there it is.
Not everyone can, and some don't." EOR (eeyore)

...am also deeply concerned by the extant damage to our democratic republic.

This admin has unhinged so many governmental processes from the rule of law that one election cycle doesn't seem to be close to enough time to meaningfully restore the structural damage to our Constitution.

I feel I speak for other here as well...

Except for Faux News, most news networks have been covering all the scandals and missteps of the Bushies to my neverending delight. I think most of the complaining is coming from people who NEVER watch the news unless it's from the Daily Show.

The spin machine is on and it's working overtime. The late local news last night on all our local channels either didn't mention Libby at all, or if they did, they made the point of mentioning that Bush did nothing illegal, the president can declassify whatever he wants. This is the same meme that is going around all the networks, from NBC to CBS to Fox to CNN to ABC. I ran through all of them last night, and they were all saying basically the same thing.

I wake up this morning, and NPR, which had this as it's lead headline news story yesterday, knocked it down to a five minute segment, a secondary story.

I'll watch how this plays throughout the news cycle today, but it appears that this story is already starting to circle around the memory hole. This isn't being gloomy gus, this is acknowledging the reality of how things now work in this country. While this may very well be an impeachable offense, it isn't going to allowed to gain traction, and away it will go, far, far away.

And they'll get cut off at the knees, just like every other "big story" in the last 5 years.

They could catch Il Douche with his dick in Condom-Sleezie's mouth, and after a day or 2 of outrage, the MSM would come to their senses and dutifully inform us peasants of "The Divine Right of Dubya".

Nothing to see here. Hey! didja hear that Paula Abdul fucked a guy who got kicked off "The Island"?

We've been disappointed so many times by huge stories that ought to bring the whole Bush crime machine down but only fizzle and go away.

I remember when we heard the original Fitzmas was going to bring us large numbers of indictments against many highly-placed individuals. I'm not disappointed in what Fitzgerald is doing. I think he's going about the important work in the right way. My only point is that for years, we've expected that THIS story would finally blow the lid off the corruption of the repugs, but they keep getting away with it.

I'll be ready to dance in the street if we take back Congress and start real hearings into all of their crimes, but I'm not counting my chickens until they hatch.

and the Bush administration isn't all that special, other than they really don't give enough of a damn to make it seem like they're trying to help you?

But that's right, we get rid of Bush, and we can finally go back to taking over the globe with someone else in charge. Hooray for Fitzmas!

A fair-weather friend isn't there in foul weather. American journalism doesn't even rise to that level of integrity. They are foul-weather antagonists.

They've ignored the outing of a CIA operation - working on WMD no less - to help start and propagate a war, for as long as they can. If this had been a Dem administration, there would have been lawyers, legal experts and presidential historians on the tube over the past three years every time there was a peep in this story and even when there wasn't, giving us all possible permutations and political fallout of such treasonous behavior, which would have been presumed de-facto administration treachery from the start.

They've been moving rightward for twenty-five years, until we are now here. I get the impression from your plea for gratitude that they just report the news and we should be appreciative for that. That's not the case. They aren't innocent bystanders. We wouldn't be in this situation if it wasn't for them. They are a right-wing propaganda organ. There would be no Bush or Cheney or any of this if it weren't for them.

The worst thing I think could happen is amnesty for American journalism. What must come out of this depraved chapter in American history is that people realize that they absolutely cannot trust the institution of corporate journalism ever again. Anybody trusting them is simply walking back into their lair and putting their collar on because their antagonist is acting reasonably for a moment. No worse outcome could come from the last ten years.

If you want to pay them a compliment it should be something like this: 'Thanks corpo-media for catching up to the obvious lies, three years after tens of thousands of Americans have been killed and gravely wounded by them. Thanks for turning a blind eye towards Republican treachery for as long as you could manage. Don't bother to pretend that you are 'breaking a story'.'

You'll see no shame from these people ever. They'll be giving themselves awards and intoning solemnly in their acceptance speeches on the trenchant responsibility of journalism in a democracy without a hint of facetiousness. They should be accorded all the approbation of someone who helped steal a country, its integrity, its reputation, its very democracy, and is now trying to slink back in pretending they did nothing.

To never trust these people again is the best compliment you could pay to this country.

n/t

The greatest warrior in the world. In that mentality, we can have the best evidence against bush, but if we as a people are weak and we are, then nothing will change.

We may have at our disposal the best items capable of totally dismounting bush from his high horse, but both in congress and in america, we're lacking more troops trying to get this country back in shape than these iraq recruiters have getting kids to give their life away for some fatcat's oil.

It's bleak. It's human nature. Television has altered our view of importance, and the internet has altered our perception of reality. So long as there is the america who knows and the america who refuses to listen...nothing short of a miracle will make all the data in the world mean anything. Republicans cut all the funding to school and made a dumb generation under reagan and bush sr. So now...we have a nation who does not know the president can truly break the law.