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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:05 PM
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Bush has committed Treason
Edited on Fri Apr-07-06 12:08 PM by sparosnare
By secretly declassifying intelligence information for the purpose of persuading the American public that Iraq was an imminent threat to our national security.

By intentionally not declassifying other intelligence information that would have refuted the released declassified information.

By committing a war of aggression against Iraq based on intelligence information that was not in fact flawed, but picked and chosen to serve his own political purposes.


This man who calls himself President has willfully betrayed the trust of the people of the United States of America. In doing so, he has not only damaged our national security, but undermined the Constitution and reneged on his Presidential Oath of Office.

There is no alternative but to remove him from office by Constitutional authority.






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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:08 PM
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1. YES he has!
And the wimpy Democrats should strike while the iron is hot, make hay while the sun shines, turn a sow's ear into a silk purse.

What other cliche do they need to hear to get off their cowardly asses and make some rain out of this situation????
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:26 PM
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13. They already are. Why don't you know that? Cause the Mediawhores
didn't tell you?
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:29 PM
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14. Is there a list anywhere of how many more Dems
have signed on to Feingold's call for censure? It was a pretty weak showing at the start. If you know of an update of some folks who have stepped up, I would like to see it.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 09:14 AM
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50. Me too, the sooner they Censure him
the better IMO.

Of course he needs to be IMPEACHED immediately but that is not going to happen with this sorry Congress.

Maybe when they come back from their Spring Break, and are well rested, :sarcasm: they will have listened to enough of the voters to realize they are on the Titanic and they better jump off.

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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 05:26 PM
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34. For sure he has abused his power as President in order to smear his
critics. That, in and of itself is enough to impeach him.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:10 PM
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2. Sounds like the authoritative truth to me and nominated to stand
in front.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:11 PM
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3. Let's throw in crimes against humanity.
Killing over a hundred thousand people. Using banned weapons. Spraying the environment with depleted uranium. Undermining environmental protections.

Let's see him "Sittin' in the dock of the Hague" and spending time in Spandau prison.

--IMM
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:16 PM
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7. Those are the inevitable consequences of his decisions -
and hopefully in my lifetime, we will see him behind bars in the Hague. :patriot:
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:22 PM
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10. That desire I hope will carry me many more years, I must see it
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 09:16 AM
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51. It's what I want most. nt
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:12 PM
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4. K&R
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APPLE314 Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:14 PM
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5. I SECOND THAT
Now all we need is a coalition of the willing you take his honor on.
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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:15 PM
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6. Since when is Robert BLOVAK
the official spokes person for the president's declassification section?
What a crock of shit!
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:17 PM
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8. RECOMMENDED
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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:20 PM
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9. As is everyone who defends him today
Complicancy to treason is the attitude I have today for anyone who dares cross my path with lame excuses for the actions of this admin.
Maybe I'd better stay home, but I feel loaded for bear and i don't think I can keep my mouth shut.

I think I'll make a new button with the word "impeach" on it.
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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:25 PM
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12. Tee hee.. Boy would like to follow you about today. Got get 'em.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 08:16 PM
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40. R's are enablers, like any addict who relys on them. Bush is addicted
to his deceptions. The enablers need to wake up and smell the coffee.
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:25 PM
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11. I was just returning home and heard ABC News
mention that Bush "bristled" at the suggestion he would disclose a CIA agent's identity. Oh, my!
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:31 PM
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15. So many lives lost...
And we may never know how many lives were lost or endangered as a result of exposing undercover operations. "They" would have us believe this is all in the best interest of winning in the Middle East, but this is all to benefit *, a few oil companies and defense contractors while the rest of America is left out to dry.
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:38 PM
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16. K&R Bookmarked
http://www.tomharkin.com/nl/CensurePetition.htm

Dear Senator Harkin:

We, the undersigned, support your principled stand with Senators Russ Feingold and Barbara Boxer in favor of holding President Bush accountable, and we urge you to bring the Resolution of Censure to the floor of the Senate for a vote. The President has brazenly, arrogantly and unapologetically broken the law - the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act
(FISA), which prohibits warrantless wiretaps of American citizens. Despite getting caught red-handed, he refuses to stop.

Government must protect Americans' security, and that's why the FISA law allows intelligence services to listen to terrorists' conversations legally -by going to the secret espionage and terrorism court to get a warrant AFTER listening.

We are a nation of laws, not of men. No American is above the law. That most certainly includes the President. If Congress fails to hold him to account through censure, then he will believe that he can continue breaking laws with impunity. This is profoundly dangerous to our democracy.

We admire your courage in standing up to President Bush and saying enough! Now, we urge you to take the next step. We - ordinary Americans deeply concerned for the country we love - ask you to work with your colleagues to support and pass the Resolution of Censure in the Senate...
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Catamount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 10:21 PM
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43. Signed with comments!
Thanks Trevelyan!
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:41 PM
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17. K&R n/t
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:45 PM
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18. Make it so!
Here, here. We are the people. We are America. We have a Constitution.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:47 PM
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19. but but but He told Helen
that "No President WANTS to go to war.
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 05:18 PM
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32. And that's true, no real president does.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:55 PM
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20. The administration actually acted AGAINST national security interests.
ON PURPOSE!!!

They intentionally defrauded congress and the American people and endangered our own economic and security interests. That is the epitome of treason.

It's insane that any of them are anywhere other than prison.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:56 PM
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21. Recommended. This is the key element...the IMPEACHMENT rationale
Of course it's treason. You don't lie your way into a war and drag your country with you without committing treason -- evey if you win!

This is an incendiary term but it's time...

Great post, cogent points, RECOMMENDED...the analysis and the post.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 12:59 PM
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22. Yes, but can it really be called (puts fingers in quotes marks) "Treason?"
Some media whore/political analyst (same thing these days it seems), here in San Diego did that right after they showed the Cheney footage on the news last night.
:argh:

That's why I really don't watch the news here on TV anymore...:grr:
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 02:52 PM
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23. Pat Lang has shown that the Chalabi affair as an Iranian spy
was entirely an act of Iranian intelligence: "good work, and I admire good work" said Lang

""Patrick Lang, former director of the intelligence agency's Middle
East branch, said he had been told by colleagues in the intelligence
community that Chalabi's U.S.-funded program to provide information
about weapons of mass destruction and insurgents was effectively an
Iranian intelligence operation. "They knew exactly
what we were up to," he said.

'Sophisticated' operation. He described it as "one of the most sophisticated and successful
intelligence operations in history."

"I'm a spook. I appreciate good work. This was good work," he said.""

http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200405/msg00133.html

The military may want to consider drafting our Commander In Chief simply to put him before a court martial court !
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 04:00 PM
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24. Of course it can.
We have every right to interpret the Constitution as we choose and it's about time we do so. There is evidence that Bush intentionally lied to this country putting his own self-interest above all else; abusing his power (the power invested in him by the people) and endangering the security of this nation.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 05:24 PM
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33. Oh believe me...
I know. The problem is, we need everyone else to know it. The spin started immediately here. They used the old "some would say..." stuff, and tried to laugh it all off as partisan nonsense.

San Diego and the OC in California are neo-con strongholds. It sucks, and I can't even watch the local news here anymore for fear of breaking something.


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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 04:28 PM
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25. Its a lot of bad things, but its not treason
No matter how loud and often you say it, it isn't treason. Treason is a very specific, constitutionally defined offense that the courts have consistently held is to be read very narrowly and very strictly.

While using leaks for political purposes and to influence public opinion was outrageous, it was not (a) levying war against the United States, (b) adhering to the enemies of the United States or giving them aid or comfort.

So, rather than toss airballs by chanting "treason" we should be expressing outrage at chimpy's duplicity in decrying leaks while authorizing them and for using leaks for what amounted to political purposes.

onenote
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 05:31 PM
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35. Actually it should fall under...
Edited on Fri Apr-07-06 05:31 PM by tjwash
...adhering to the enemies of the United States or giving them aid or comfort. When you expose your covert agents to the enemy, you are aiding the enemy. That's as cut and dried as it gets.

It is absolutely 100 percent treason.

Now, getting this hand picked group of lackeys in SCOTUS to actually do their jobs and adhere to the constitution, that's a different story...
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 05:33 PM
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36. you're assuming that the NIE identified Plame
Edited on Fri Apr-07-06 05:42 PM by onenote
That's not clear at this point; indeed Fitz has indicated otherwise to the court.

onenote

PS - even if chimpy authorized the outing of Plame, it would be a stretch for it to be considered treason without some actual evidence of actual aid and comfort to the enemy resulting therefrom. That's because the Criminal Code contains several provisions describing various degrees of culpability for causing a covert agent's identity to be revealed, ranging from 10 years to 3 years as the maximum penalty. So merely revealing the identity isn't enough. Justice Marshall, early on in the country's history, specifically noted that the treason provision of the Constitution is to be narrowly applied and indicating some deference to COngress: "

Crimes so atrocious as those which have for their object the subversion by violence of those laws and those institutions which have been ordained in order to secure the peace and happiness of society, are not to escape punishment, because they have not ripened into treason. The wisdom of the legislature is competent to provide for the case; and the framers of our Constitution . . . must have conceived it more safe that punishment in such cases should be ordained by general laws, formed upon deliberation, under the influence of no resentments, and without knowing on whom they were to operate, than that it should be inflicted under the influence of those passions which the occasion seldom fails to excite, and which a flexible definition of the crime, or a construction which would render it flexible, might bring into operation."
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 04:32 PM
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26. Treason AND Crimes Against Humanity!!!
To the HAGUE!!!


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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 05:07 PM
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29. I hear Charles Taylor
is looking for a roommate.

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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 04:33 PM
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27. Like grandfather, like son
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 05:02 PM
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28. Kick
:kick:
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 05:09 PM
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30. I shall now call him President Treasonous Bush!
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 05:13 PM
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31. K and R
:kick:
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 05:36 PM
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37. Simple, cogently stated, and all true. K & R! ....n/t
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 06:00 PM
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38. kick n/t
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 08:15 PM
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39. Also violates the AUMF which embeds the WarPowersAct of '73
Edited on Fri Apr-07-06 08:24 PM by EVDebs
Since the WPAof'73 requires truthful situations and circumstances not to mention clarity when Congress commits troops for military force.

Joint Resolution for Iraq War AUMF Oct 2002
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html

""Section 3(c) WAR POWERS RESOLUTION REQUIREMENTS. --

(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION. -- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.

(2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS. -- Nothing in this resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.""


The War Powers Act of 1973
http://www.cs.indiana.edu/statecraft/warpow.html

requires no 'pretexts' or falsified situations or conditions. Clarity is required, not equivocations.


Fabrications and whims...just don't cut it legally, unless you want Roberts and Alito to produce on whopper of a decision that won't pass the laugh test.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 08:17 PM
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41. Someone needs to alert the media. I dont' think they've caught on yet.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 10:20 PM
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42. DUDE . . . . KNR
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 02:54 AM
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44. You bet he has.
Peace.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 02:59 AM
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45. K&R
Yep, sure look that way.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 03:27 AM
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46. The treason was literally TERRORISM (let's stop euphemizing)
It was a bomb threat. Pure and simple.

They Terrorized the American People with threats of "mushroom clouds."

It wasn't "persuading," or "misleading," or "exaggerating," or "cherry-picking," or anything else the DC/Euphemedia Analstocracy has to tell themselves to avoid the elephant in the Roosevelt Room.

This never-legitimate cabal purposely terrorized the nation for power, (sadistic and masturbatory) fun, and profit.

If enough people start saying so, they'll be out before the midterms. (Yes, really)

--
www.january6th.org
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 03:48 AM
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47. OMG, you're absolutely right!
They Terrorized the American People with threats of "mushroom clouds."

I never looked at it that way before. Forest for the trees, I guess. Or maybe that part of me that still can't believe our own government would behave so treasonously. I called it manipulation in the past, lumped it in with BushCo's successive fear campaigns, but you hit the nail on the head. It was an act of terrorism perpetrated by BushCo against the American people...and that's what I'm calling it from now on.

Thank you.
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cpousnret Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 04:17 AM
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48. no doubt
this has been a fiasco since the hijacking of the presidency in 2000.his m.o. has been,screw as much up as he can in 8years,you he`s fraught with power,obsessed with power,up to this point he has been a supreme failure,now is given the chance to complete that mission
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 06:23 AM
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49. Yes, Stolen Election 2000 was the watershed event
That's when the American People were "taken out of the loop," and consequently became "fair game" because we were no longer the last, most just, court of public opinion. The force that could end apartheid and forge peace in the Balkans and N. Ireland.

In fact, the probability of the election theft as a direct cause of 9-11 is not easily dismissible.

One need only note that (actually elected) President Clinton was able to successfully protect us from many attacks, including the Millenium attempts. In that case we were tipped off by Jordanian intelligence.

You have to wonder how anxious other nations were to lend a hand to an election thief, with disdain for the rest of the world, including signed treaties, and such a cozy relationship with the belligerent Ariel Sharon, the Saudi Royals, and the Pakistani strongman.

Actions have consequences.

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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 10:57 AM
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52. Impeach and put him in jail
When the world sees whe do believe in right and justice, some of our tattered image would be repaired.
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