Ladies and gentlemen of DU: I am Pro-Life.

I'm pro-life because, like most of you, I've opposed this war based on lies, which has resulted in the deaths of more than 2,500 'coalition' soldiers and thousands of innocent civilians.

I'm pro-life because I oppose the death penalty and believe it's better that murderers live out their lives in shame than be saved from that by execution.

I'm pro-life because I know that one death due to hunger every 3.5 seconds is one too many. It sickens me to think of the hundreds of thousands of people who have died due to the tragedy in Sudan, and other tragedies worldwide.

I am pro-wildlife because I believe in saving our environment.

Lastly, I'm pro-life because I believe taking proactive steps - reducing poverty, for instance - will result in a greater decline in the abortion rate than overtuning Roe.

I am a pro-lifer. What about you?

person I know is PRO-LIFE!

duh.

one is deranged, I suggest most people are Pro-life.

off all the stuff you said. talking to a young female in a repug primary run she told me cadidate was pro life. i exploded. told her how offensive that is to state pro life like i am what anti life....... i reemed her, lol lol. she didnt have a clue how offensive she was. even after telling her how offensive she was

How about the death penalty? Shouldn't pro life be the same even for the vilest among us.

... and pro-death penalty...

Resolution of perceived tension: The issue is WHO gets to decide a life should be taken. It's perfectly consistent to say that the government gets to make that choice, while a private woman doesn't.

Don't get me wrong - I said it's *consistent* - not that it's *right*.

BTW - don't bother arguing with me about this, if you don't like it. Argue with Gloria Steinem.

I don't want to argue it, only to put it in it's place in the discussion.

You hit the nail on the head. Fundies find it impossible not to bring a judgemental approach to everything they touch. Most of their Bibles must be missing the page that says "judge not lest ye be judged" (or else they're so smug they believe they're ready for any judgement that might come their way). So they have no problem with calling themselves "pro-life" while baying for more prison executions, more war, less gun control and less environmental regulation.

To the nanometre-narrow Fundie mind, there is no contradiction between opposing abortion because "all life is sacred" and killing doctors who perform abortions, because they've already made their judgement about which lives deserve protection and which don't.

Maybe it's a Calvanist thing: there are the elect and there are the prederite. If you are of the elect, you're going to Heaven no matter what you do. If you're prederite, Hell is all that awaits you. To the Fundie mind, killing an unborn baby may be killing one of the elect. Killing an "abortionist" doctor is just killing prederite, which is fine since they're damned anyway.

I don't know all the ten dollar words, but I'm pretty sure I agree with you

I'm digging in the subsoil of my brain for the lessons I had drummed into me about Calvanism as a child.

If I recall correctly, the idea of the elect and the prederite maps fairly well to the "born again" and "left behind" doctrine that many Fundies believe.

In Calvanism, the 'elect' are God's chosen people and are issued with a VIP Access All Areas gold pass to Heaven at birth. Modern Fundies have modified this so that you can get a gold pass issued to you during your lifetime (by being "born again" - this time as an elect).

The Calvanist 'prederite' are the chaff to the elect's wheat. In modern Fundie terminology, they're the ones who will be "left behind" at the Rapture. Prederite can never get to heaven. They are doomed to live and die on Earth with no hope of redemption. To the Calvanists, there was no social mobility between elect and prederite. To Fundies, the "born again" process is the key to religiosocial mobility.

It may be a $10 word, but it describes the same old 10c hash.

Its actually 'preterite' if you want to google for more info.

sorry 'bout that.

...that the label "pro-life" is just a sledgehammer-obvious fundie propaganda tool aimed at portraying anybody who doesn't agree with their medeval views on abortion as "pro-death." Which is why those of us with two functioning brain cells or more have had to fight fire with fire by labelling ourselves "pro-choice" (making a more accurate differentiation between the "anti-choice" prolifers).

If anyone is pro-death it's the self-styled "Christians" who believe that the best solution to everything they don't agree with can be found in the barrel of a gun.

by the rethugs is to use the sledgehammer, but always with a wedge to split the rest of us.

what you are really saying is that we are humane and believe we have a mandate to live our lives in such a way that leaves the earth a better place for the next generation.

the only problem is that it is beyond my understanding why that simple statement is so abused by those who should know better.

:applause:

You wrongfully and larcenously take the name of a great movement to cover your vile motives.

You claim to be pro-life by opposing a just and necessary war to liberate the Iraqui people
from a demonic brutal dictator who was killing thousands of his people. Remember he gassed
the Kurds.

The 2500 soldiers who died were defending your right to make your sniveling little comments
and post your sniveling comments. They agreed to die and lived up to their death contract.

You are not pro-life when you want depraved murderers to live 'their lives in shame' instead
of being strapped in an electric chair or hitched to a gurney and have the state lawfuly
and in a medically safe and controlled manner end their life. This attitude of yours only encourages
the murderers to kill more and that means you are in favor of murder.

You claim to be 'pro life' because you are 'against' starvation. Well, everybody is against
starvation but do you expect me to pay more taxes to give away to governments who steal
the handouts to their people instead of feeding them? Charity starts at home. And how
can you be 'anti' hunger, but against killing animals to eat?

you claim that reducing poverty will reduce abortions. But the number one thing to
reduce abortions is to stop allowing abortions. Duhhhh!

Obviously you hate america because

1. You don't back us up in a vicious war against terrorists
2. You want killers to live on our tax dollar and lay around in prison watching
soap operas and lifting weights instead of being executed.
3. You want to feed every poor person on earth at the expense of
the hard working american man and millionaire.
4. You are a "peta" person...so nobody gets to eat apparently.
5. You want to 'reduce poverty' but that really means 'increase poverty by making
more people poor to help the shiftless people who are poor now. If they weren't so
dern lazy they wouldn't be poor. Last time I checked McDonalds had jobs.

So, Why do you hate America? :sarcasm:

There is a difference.