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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 02:28 PM
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the single biggest challenge facing the planet
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/18616

Volume 53, Number 1 · January 12, 2006

Review
The Coming Meltdown
By Bill McKibben
Thin Ice: Unlocking the Secrets of Climate in the World's Highest Mountains
by Mark Bowen
Henry Holt, 463 pp., $30.00

Dancing at the Dead Sea: Tracking the World's Environmental Hotspots
by Alanna Mitchell
University of Chicago Press, 239 pp., $25.00

The year 2005 has been the hottest year on record for the planet, hotter than 1998, 2002, 2004, and 2003. More importantly, perhaps, this has been the autumn when the planet has shown more clearly than before just what that extra heat means. Consider just a few of the findings published in the major scientific journals during the last three months:

—Arctic sea ice is melting fast. There was 20 percent less of it than normal this summer, and as Dr. Mark Serreze, one of the researchers from Colorado's National Snow and Ice Data Center, told reporters, "the feeling is we are reaching a tipping point or threshold beyond which sea ice will not recover." That is particularly bad news because it creates a potent feedback effect: instead of blinding white ice that bounces sunlight back into space, there is now open blue water that soaks up the sun's heat, amplifying the melting process.

—In the tundra of Siberia, other researchers report that permafrost has begun to melt rapidly, and, as it does, formerly frozen methane—which, like the more prevalent carbon dioxide, acts as a heat-trapping "greenhouse gas"—is escaping into the atmosphere. In some places last winter, the methane bubbled up so steadily that puddles of standing water couldn't freeze even in the depths of the Russian winter.

—British researchers, examining almost six thousand soil borings across the UK, found another feedback effect. Warmer temperatures (growing seasons now last eleven days longer at that latitude) meant that microbial activity had increased dramatically in the soil. This, in turn, meant that much of the carbon long stored in the soil was now being released into the atmosphere. The quantities were large enough to negate all the work that Britain had done to switch away from coal to reduce carbon in the atmosphere. "All the consequences of global warming will occur more rapidly," said Guy Kirk, chief scientist on the study. "That's the scary thing. The amount of time we have got to do something about it is smaller than we thought."


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But the hurricanes also demonstrated another fact about global warming, this one having nothing to do with chemistry or physics but instead with politics, journalism, and the rituals of science. Climate change somehow seems unable to emerge on the world stage for what it really is: the single biggest challenge facing the planet, the equal in every way to the nuclear threat that transfixed us during the past half-century and a threat we haven't even begun to deal with. The coverage of Katrina's aftermath, for instance, was scathing in depicting the Bush administration's incompetence and cronyism; but the President —and his predecessors—were spared criticism for their far bigger sin of omission, the failure to do anything at all to stanch the flood of carbon that America, above all other nations, pours into the atmosphere and that is the prime cause of the great heating now underway. Though Bush has been egregious in his ignorance about climate change, the failure to do anything about it has been bipartisan; Bill Clinton and Al Gore were grandly rhetorical about the issue, but nonetheless presided over a 13 percent increase in America's carbon emissions.

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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 02:31 PM
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1. Nah, organized religion.
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wixomblues Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 02:33 PM
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4. Disorganized religion is more fun.
Lots of potlucks and half ass baptisms.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:55 PM
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26. Never fear; organized religion won't be a problem when humanity is extinct
(happening far, far sooner than you think).
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:16 PM
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35. Beat me to it......as bad as our environmental problems are....
Religious fanaticism is the single greatest threat to mankind.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:56 PM
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38. in the the sense that it contributes to ignoring the reality
of the situation, it is a significant part of the problem.

There are other inhabitants on this planet besides humans though.
& Still, if we all murdered each other over religion how much a difference would it make to the planet?
:shrug:
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 10:05 PM
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42. With Nukes in the hands of religous nuts......
Nothing is safe.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 11:30 PM
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43. The rapture right WANTS the environment destroyed.
They WANT wars started.
They WANT the middle east to blow up.
They WANT the earth's population to become unsustainable.
They WANT totalitarianism.
and on and on.....
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wixomblues Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 02:32 PM
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2. Don't blame me. I voted FOR artic ice.
It's a shame that this system doesn't allow a viable thrid party.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 02:33 PM
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3. It's 61 degrees Fahrenheit here in Washington, DC. In JANUARY.
:wtf:
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wixomblues Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 02:40 PM
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8. Must be global warming....
Of course, the hottest day ever had a high of 79 degrees, in January.

http://www.kiat.net/dc/weather.html
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:21 PM
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18. Here in Boston, the highs will be above 44 through Saturday, and 50
on Friday. That is a long stretch of relatively warm weather here.
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philly_bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 03:58 PM
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16. Ordinary house fly in January
I had a picnic lunch today, January 9, at park near Valley Forge, PA.

I was joined at my picnic table by an ordinary-looking house fly. I'm no entomologist, but you never used to see house flies outside this late in the winter.

Agreed that global climate change is the number one threat to the planet.

A corrupt Corporate/Republican/Religious Right election-stealing machine means we ignore the problem.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:17 PM
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17. 60 in NJ. Now I don't have to move to central CA. Proby be waterfront here
soon too...
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:54 PM
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24. It's 71 here in Arizona. It was 81 last week. In January!
Oh, won't July and August be fun!
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greendog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 06:44 PM
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29. I haven't worn anything heavier than a sweatshirt...
...for almost a week. January. Northern Montana.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:13 PM
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33. Denver, CO
We have been in the 50-60's for weeks. That is 15-20 degrees warmer than we should be. Last summer we ran in the high 90's for 2 months, Both are extremes...but we have no global warming! :sarcasm: the * is an idiot
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SupplyConcerns Donating Member (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:55 PM
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37. It's been above 40 in Chicago
I'm not from here, I've only been in town a week. But people say it's unusual.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 02:34 PM
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5. I think the junta DO believe in global warming but deny its existence be-
cause a) it's more profitable int he short run, and b) they don't want the masses panicking over it because there is no profit or political clout to be gained from it. (As there is with terror alerts and bird flu etc)
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 02:36 PM
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6. Nominating for the awareness factor - good post n/t
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 02:40 PM
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7. K/R
Good one...the post....world peace is not impossible...only if we make it so....,
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 02:41 PM
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9. Human greed, cruelty and stupidity.
We've only been a species for less than 500,000 years. It's likely that when the human race becomes extinct, we will have broken the record for "shortgevity". That's proof of stupidity. We don't have enough sense to know how to survive. We are like one year olds, left to our own resources, with no adult guidance. Our leading "thinkers" are guys like Pat Robertson.
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Starkers Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 02:43 PM
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10. Climates change
Ask a scientist. It was a lot warmer 5000 years ago. Saw it on the Discovery Channel.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 02:45 PM
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11. good idea
I'd highly recommend that you ask a scientist!
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 02:47 PM
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12. Did the Bloodhound Gang lead you there?
Edited on Mon Jan-09-06 02:56 PM by XemaSab
Oh, and on edit, I am a scientist, and you're right, the climate is a dynamic thing, but right now it's warmer than it's been at any time during the quaternary.

It's been substantially warmer in bygone days, such as during the age of the dinosuars (when a lot of foosil fuels were created, thereby sequestering carbon that was previously floating around in the atmosphere and cooling the earth), but this current warmth seems to be a break from the quaternary pattern of glacials and interglacials.

It would be a big coincidence if the quaternary ended right at the advent of the industrial revolution, no?
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 03:08 PM
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15. Ask a Scientist. S/He'll tell your Global Warming is REAL
It's been warmer six or seven times in the past 20,000 years -- all briefly, during warming spikes, like the one we've just started on. It will get even warmer in the near future. Than it will get cold -- real cold, for a long time.

That's how it works. There is a difference between Heinrich Events and Dansgaard-Oeschger Events, which are rapid climate change events that occur from two somewhat different oceanic mechanisms. As for what we're facing, this is a new kind of event, a man-made event.

Incidentally, it won't be a "normal" situation. Cold periods are usually arid. How will we feed people with three-quarters of our arable land surface unable to be used for agriculture due to arid, unpredictable weather?

--p!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 08:09 PM
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 08:57 PM
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41. Maybe you could ask a scientist about atmospheric CO2 content
It's now higher than it's been for more than 600,000 years, as shown by the longest ice cores ever recovered, which came from Antarctica.

Perhaps you missed this report - might not have appeared on the Discovery Channel.
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ksilvas Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 02:55 PM
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13. It all boils down to overpopulation of the planet.n/t
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:39 PM
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19. Right you are.
Not only has human numbers driven the activities that are causing climate change but those same numbers make climate change harder to deal with.

Human overpopulation drives most of our great ills.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:44 PM
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20. I could not agree with you more
In fact, that's what crossed my mind when I saw the heading of this thread. There would be no human-caused global warming if not for overpopulation. It's not just that we have more and more people, but that all these new people are trying to consume resources at a faster rate than before and pollute more than before. Hopefully, our human race will eventually see the light and begin decreasing population on its own. I haven't seen any signs yet that we will have dramatic negative population growth, however, which is something I think we desperately need throughout the planet.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:47 PM
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21. No, it boils down to irresponsible use of resources.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:16 PM
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34. Yep
This planet was designed for less than 1 billion people.

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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 03:01 PM
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14. capitalism
and its evil spawn, the corporations

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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:52 PM
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22. Kicked and Nominated.
We are letting global warming fall to the wayside.

Here's a link to an essay Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. wrote recently for Patagonia magazine:


http://www.patagonia.com/enviro/reports/2005/aliveandwell.shtml


And another that Theodore Roosevelt IV penned:



http://www.patagonia.com/enviro/reports/2005/loggerheads.shtml
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:53 PM
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23. It's truly stunning to know that a lot of people-even here on DU-don't
think the end of most life on earth, mankind included, is the Biggest Challenge Facing the Planet. Sorry, but economic issues, fundamentalism, civil rights, etc. etc. etc. won't matter in the least if you can't breathe.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 04:55 PM
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25. Well said!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 05:07 PM
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27. if I had put "climate Change" in the subject line
Edited on Mon Jan-09-06 05:11 PM by G_j
this thread may have not lasted as long as it has.

Admittedly it is an overwhelming subject which can tend to paralyze people with it's ramifications.
It is quite frightening to think about and solutions will require quantum changes which appear to be almost impossible.
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 06:20 PM
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28. Yes, this is without a doubt the biggest challenge facing mankind...
as well as every other species on this planet.

IMO, overpopulation and over-exploitation of natural resources are two of the main contributing factors. The solutions to addressing this challenge are not simple and are not comfortable to think about. We will either make these difficult changes as a world community or eventually see some very ugly outcomes.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 06:50 PM
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30. I'd love to be optimistic but

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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 06:58 PM
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31. We've had basically no snow in Northern Alberta
We had a green Christmas.

We need at least one spate of -40 weather in order to crack open the conniferous tree cones so they'll disperse seeds for next spring - hasn't happened and it's getting late in the season.
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:00 PM
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32. It's windy here in Edinburghm as it always is in January

But the wind has never been *warm*, as it is today.

The deep winter prophesied by the meteorologists never materialised.

Green buds are just poking out of the ends of tree branches. The sky is unusually clear.

It feels like the bright calm immediately before Spring.

Winter hasn't really happened...
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:23 PM
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36. Human selfishness.
Every problem we have is based in it.
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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 08:51 PM
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40. Hubris
Humans think can solve the challenges with their technological wizardy which always leads to more complex systems and more technological problems. Of course those will be solved by more technological solutions which then lead to more...

Pardon me while I go cleanse my infection in the dirty water.



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