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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 12:37 PM
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Don't you hate it when Bush is called a "War Time President"?
First of all, I don't believe this country has really had a true declaration of war since World War Two--meaning a declaration approved by both houses of Congress.

Second, the only people sacrificing are enlisted soldiers and their families. In a true wartime I think you would see more sacrifice called for by the country as a whole.

Third, it is a ploy used by Bush and his supporters to deflect criticsm because, "you can't criticize a president during wartime" or "a president must take extrordinary messures (such as domestic spying) during wartime.

The media, of course, falls into this hook, line and sinker and constantly refers to the chimp as a wartime president.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 12:38 PM
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1. I hate it when he's just called a

President!

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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 01:00 PM
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19. The CHIMP is a "CHIMPANZEE PRESIDENT"
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 12:39 PM
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2. Change "time" to "monger"
and it works out perfectly.
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 12:50 PM
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11. And change 'president' to 'squatter,'
since it appears that he was never really elected.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 12:53 PM
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13. Yes, that was bothering me
that I had let that word stand. Warmonger Squatter. That's fine. Suits him.
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 01:18 PM
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25. Perfect descriptor.
Impeach the warmongering squatter!
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darkmaestro019 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 12:56 PM
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14. Ha. Well, the "war" part was right, anyway..........eom
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 01:02 PM
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20. best idea
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 12:39 PM
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3. Better than calling him
A popular war time president, which fox used to do, until his polls started tanking.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 12:40 PM
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6. Do they call him an "unpopular wartime president" now? haha.
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 12:40 PM
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4. Bush is the "End Times President"
Edited on Thu Apr-13-06 12:41 PM by bushmeat
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carolinalady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 12:40 PM
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5. should be "War Causing President". n/t
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 12:41 PM
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7. He's a miserable failure who was on watch during our worst attack ever. nt
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 12:42 PM
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8. All he should be called is a Walking Cluster**** n/t
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RufusEarl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 12:43 PM
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9. As you said, a war time president becomes more empowered.
Bu$h IMHO is taking this to the extreme, but our congress is letting him get away with it. If only the congress would hold real oversight, things would be a whole lot different in this country. I watched Fahrenheit 9-11 again last night, it should be required watching for all americans.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 12:45 PM
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10. You should be called a "wartime president" if you *start* the war.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 12:52 PM
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12. They could at least say "UNPOPULAR war time POTUS"
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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 12:57 PM
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15. "Recession Era president" works for me.
"Corporate Merger president" is apt.
The "Big Business president" fits.
A "Deficit Spending president" describes him well.

But I just like to call him:
The "Total Idiot president".

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 12:58 PM
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16. It's part of the informercial.
I believe we should counter with the International bedlam President.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 12:58 PM
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17. any president could have started a war and been a 'wartime' president.
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 12:59 PM
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18. That should be revised to read "War on America pResident" nt
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 01:07 PM
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21. Next on FOX....Wartime with W! Smash comedy of the season!
Follow the crazy antics of a spoiled frat boy who tries everything to impress his father. But when he goes to far and starts World War III watch the sparks fly and bodies pile up! It's a White House full of laughs as the group of less than competent boobs try and run the most powerful nation in the world. You'll bust a side as they slash budgets and give huge piles of money to thier friends and commit treason all before breakfast!

the critics are RAVING!

Entertainment Tonight: "....like All in the Family only dumber and more evil!"

People Magazine: "After watching Wartime with W who nees the Simpsons?"

Anything can happen in Wartime with W and IT DOES! It's Mission Accomplished on FOX.

Its Wartime!

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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 01:08 PM
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22. He's a war loving president
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 01:08 PM
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23. But you flat out know
it gives a chubby, don't you?

T-Grannie
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Mango Suede Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 01:16 PM
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24. Dazed and Confused for So Long Now
Isn't a war usually between two warring factions? And didn't the US attack Iraq (without invitation or roses)? Couldn't Fox at least head their newscasts with "The US Attack?" Still confused after 3 looong years . . .
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 02:25 PM
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27. Welcome to DU, Mango Suede.
You're correct. It isn't a war. There's only one side to this.

Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. had something to say about war on a concept. If I find it, I'll post it.

Welcome to DU. :hi:
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 02:30 PM
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28. War against a non-nation by Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.
Edited on Thu Apr-13-06 02:31 PM by NYC
The Imperial Presidency
Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.
Copyright 1973

Page 50

...The doctrine still prevailed, however, that Congress alone could authorize hostilities against sovereign states. But what was the constitutional position when Presidents were confronted by situations calling for the armed protection of American honor, lives, law or property not against sovereign states at all but against roving bands of stateless and lawless people?

Military action against Indians -- stateless and lawless by American definition -- pirates, slave traders, smugglers, cattle rustlers, frontier ruffians or foreign brigands
was plainly something different from warfare against organized governments. It differed both in the juridical status of the combatants under international law and in the practical fact that such fugitive hostilities would not lead to full-scale war. Moreover, a nation's use of armed force to rescue, for example, citizens endangered by the breakdown of order in a foreign land had ample sanction in international practice. Presidents therefore decided that such police actions, not directed at sovereign states, and not requiring special congressional appropriations, did not rise to the dignity of formal congressional concern...


Page 88

...The rise of the executive agreement was accompanied by new presidential exuberance in the commitment of armed force to combat. Victory over Spain made the United States a world power; and in 1900 McKinley set the tone for the new century by sending 5,000 American troops to China. The pretext was the protection of American lives and property. In fact, it was a spectacular case of military intervention for political purposes...

...The intervention in China marked the start of a crucial shift in the presidential employment of armed force overseas. In the nineteenth century, military force committed without congressional authorization had been typically used against nongovernmental organizations...
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 03:46 PM
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30. Hi Mango Suede!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Spirochete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 02:04 PM
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26. Bush the "War President"
is like someone who murders his parents, then asks the court for leniency because he's an orphan.
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Mango Suede Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 02:46 PM
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29. Thanks for the Welcome - what a site!
T'anks for the welcome, NYC ! I'd been putting off joining this fantastic site for too long.

Arthur was prescient, it seems. Nice job by you of remembering the text.

BTW - Mango Suede is my term for that fellow who supposedly got himself hung up on a wooden crosspiece some time ago. I found myself tired of using the JC monicker when swearing, when I don't even believe in any of that BS. So one day I came up with two totally meaningless words to use when swearing.

Mango Suede, by the way, inhabits a banana plantation in the sky (heaven) . . . and if you don't donate heavily to my tax-free institution, you'll wind up in Camden, New Jersey (hell)

Sorry to go on so long
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