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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 10:57 AM
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"Iraq is not Vietnam"..."Iran is not Iraq"..."Syria is not Iran", Next?
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Dunvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 10:58 AM
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1. Next? How about...And the US is no longer "Our America."
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 10:59 AM
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2. "I am not a jelly donut"
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:18 AM
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13. "Ich bin ein Berliner"
"Jelly doughnut" urban legend

A common urban legend asserts that Kennedy made an embarrassing grammatical error by saying "Ich bin ein Berliner," referring to himself not as a citizen of Berlin, but as a common pastry.


a berliner.

The legend stems from a play on words with Berliner, the name given to a doughnut variant filled with jam or plum sauce that is thought to have originated in Berlin. While this "jelly doughnut" is indeed common to Berlin, it is only known as Pfannkuchen (pan cake) in the city and nearby regions. Other parts of Germany picked up the pastry under the name of Berliner Pfannkuchen, shortened to Berliner.

According to the legend, Kennedy should have said "Ich bin Berliner" to mean "I am a person from Berlin." By adding the indefinite article ein, it is claimed, his statement implied he was a non-human Berliner, thus "I am a jelly doughnut". In the legend, the statement was followed by uproarious laughter.

This urban legend is unknown in Germany, where Kennedy's speech is considered a landmark in the country's postwar history. The term "Berliner" for the pastry sounds strange to people in Berlin. Common souvenirs in Berlin depicting a doughnut covered with the inscription "Ich bin ein Berliner," which are often thought by American tourists to refer to this legend, represent little more than a play on words.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_bin_ein_Berliner#.22Jelly_doughnut.22_urban_legend
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CrazyForKucinich Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 10:59 AM
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3. Because if you were I'd eat you.
Hmm...jelly donut.
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CrazyForKucinich Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:01 AM
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5. ooops this was supposed to be in response to Will.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:00 AM
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4. Well, all those statements are true.
Although certainly comparisons can be made, there are large differences as well. We need to understand the differences as well as the similarities to advocate sound policy.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:05 AM
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7. norml is not Clarkie1.
Although certainly comparisons can be made, there are large differences as well. We need to understand the differences as well as the similarities to advocate sound policy.

I'm sorry, that was just too easy.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:06 AM
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9. LOL. n/t
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RufusEarl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:11 AM
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12. Agreed, the similarity is simple.
Viet Nam was misguided, misjudged and mishandled from the get go, same in Iraq and to me thats the similarity.

Of course we're talking about war, and to me war is so vile that it's always a mistake to begin with. Thats way we're in great need of real statesman in this country, men and woman that can use reason and logic to resolve our problems instead of weapons and generals.

I believe the majority of citizens are finally coming to understand this and thats why we're seeing 70% wrong track polls, Voters thought they wanted a guy to have a beer with and forgot that the POTUS has to be able to govern. my 2 cents!
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:05 AM
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6. Bush is not Lincoln
Lincoln would have bounced Rumsfeld out on his ass five minutes into planning the Iraq invasion.

In fact Lincoln would have been a Democrat if he lived in this time. Can you imagine Abe sitting down to a fund raising dinner with the likes of Tom Delay and crew?

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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:06 AM
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8. Gee
but the neocons were certain that we would have transformed Iraq into Switzerland by now.

Instead we've turned Iraq into FUBAR and our economy into that of Argentina.

Wayyy to go.

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patdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:10 AM
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11. But not the current Argentin economy..the one we had to bail out
when Clinton was president!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:09 AM
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10. The Vietnam II Preflight Check By Jack McMillan
Edited on Sun Apr-16-06 11:09 AM by rocknation
  1. Cabal of oldsters who won't listen to outside advice? Check.
  2. No understanding of ethnicity's of the many locals? Check.
  3. National boundaries drawn in Europe, not by the locals? Check.
  4. Unshakable faith in our superior technology? Check.
  5. France secretly hoping we fall on our asses? Check.
  6. Russia secretly hoping we fall on our asses? Check.
  7. China secretly hoping we fall on our asses? Check.
  8. Enemy supply lines unknown? Check.
  9. Sec of Def pushing a conflict the Joint Chiefs never wanted? Check.
  10. Fear we'll look bad if we back down now? Check.
  11. Corrupt corporate Texan in the White House? Check.
  12. Land war in Asia? Check.
  13. Right-wing unhappy with outcome of previous war? Check.
  14. Enemy easily moves in/out of neighboring countries? Check.
  15. Soldiers about to be exposed to our own chemicals? Check.
  16. Daily guerrilla attacks that cannot be stopped? Check.
  17. Anti-Americanism up sharply in Europe? Check.
  18. B-52 bombers? Check.
  19. Helicopters that clog up on the local dust? Check.
  20. Infighting among the branches of the military? Check.
  21. Locals that cheer us by day, hate us by night? Check.
  22. Local experts ignored? Check.
  23. Local politicians ignored? Check.
  24. Local conflicts since before the USA has been a country? Check.
  25. Much confusion over who and where the enemy is? Check.
  26. Against advice, Prez won't use taxes to pay for war? Check.
  27. Blue water navy ships operating in brown water? Check.
  28. Use of nukes hinted at if things don't go our way? Check.
  29. War unpopular at home? Check.
  30. No plan in place to end involvement? Check.

Vietnam II, you are cleared to taxi.

"If we aren't careful about HOW we retalilate, we're going to end up with a war that has Viet Nam's fingerprints all over it."
:headbang:
rocknation (two weeks after 9/11)

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Chomp Donating Member (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:21 AM
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14. Shite is not Shinola
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:28 AM
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15. Venzuela, Cuba, Chile, Brazil, Uruguay, Peru are not Vietnam.
Or, perhaps they are not Nicaragua.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:54 AM
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16. Just This AM On "This Week"
general Meyers said "Iran is not Iraq it's an ancient culture" - as to imply that Iraq is NOT?

:wtf:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 12:23 PM
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17. I think I'll go with "The Ukraine is not Bolivia."
No reason. It just seems right.
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