Has * made US more hated to extremist Muslims than Israel?

I'm wondering.

the same..

lately. Or maybe I just haven't caught them on the news. What frightens me is that they may be putting all their time and energy into planning how to get US. :scared:

but I wouldn't associate that with your mention of the subject.

but my husband often goes to an international Muslim discussion board. Muslims of all persuasions are there, and I'm not saying that some of the most extreme of them don't call the US the Great Satan. But from the few times I've lurked there, I've noted a more widespread distrust and disgust with the state of Israel. Since it is an international board, where many identify their country of origin, there is ample opportunity to show distain or hatred for the US, but when it comes out, it is for Bush and the leaders rather than generalized to all Americans.

To THEM. They ask why Israel has the bomb and won't declare,but Iran which is in legal non-proliferation compliance is talked about.

One in the same…for many.

with the poster above about Isreal being a sub of the USA, I think its the other way around.

that your topic is the understatement of the year.

Please explain. I started this thread because I'm starting to believe we are numero uno villain to the extremists. But I don't know if my perception is correct.

you've (obviously not you personally) done considerably more to upset the muslims than Israel could ever achieve. Accordingly, by proportion, the probability of one of them coming to get you is higher. If it's a single individual , maybe not yet born , who exacts complete retribution, then the question becomes "will you understand" ?

Given geographical proximity then if the muslims really wanted to harm Israel they simply export ebola or Marburg to them. They have not done so and hopefully , at least for the foreseeable future, the status quo of tit for tat stone throwing will be all that happens.

Despite the fact I'm certainly not anti semitic whilst I don't wholly agree with the existence of the State of Israel I wish them no harm. If you're tempted to ask why not so then I can only say that if the recreation of alleged effective land rights which lapsed c. AD100 was ok in the 20th century then presumably you'd be happy with restoration of all native indian land rights in the USA.
I'd be happy with that as a trade off.

sense. How on earth could anyone infect Israels with a disease like Marburg or Ebola and not infect Palestinians? Not importing infectious diseases is hardly indicative of whether or not anyone wishes real harm to Israel.

on the land. That's more than be said of nuclear devices. The issue is territorial so it's the land which is important to the muslims. That was the reason for the example I used.

original dwellers. We swindled the Indians for centuries and it is a complete outrage and scourge (among many) upon this country.

original dwellers. Please accept my compliments. The Aborigines have already got part of the way there with the Australian government. Just imagine Bush's face if whichever tribe was indiginous to the area of his ranch was to be granted legal hunting and fishing rights if nothing else.

We were in Australia a few years ago and I was apalled about their plight. We visited Ayers Rock (Uluru) and signed a petition to ban climbing plus something else, I think. The rock actually belongs to the Aborigines but they can't control the tourist traffic there :crazy:. Many people die on the rock each year. It is also considered a sacrilege for the rock to be climbed. I didn't go up but my husband went a little ways up. :(

to no return.

It's safe to say that Muslim extremists are strongly anti-semitic, not merely anti-Israel. Check some fundamentalist Islamic websites. The hate these people feel for Israel exceeds what they feel for the U.S. Israel's existance is an affront to them in a way the U.S. never has been,

I strongly believe that they hate us a LOT more now than they did 6 years ago.

OBL succeeded in the sense that what he did provoked actions by the neo-cons that helped put much more of the Muslim world on his side, or at least against us. I think most Muslims understood us taking out the Taliban and neutralizing OBL (if only we had :sarcasm: ) and could live with that. No Muslim can like us in Baghdad, one of their holy cities. (As an aside, are any of their cities not 'holy'?)

The Koran permits the use of arms only in self-defense. And further, the jihad generally refers to the internal struggle.



Many view the corruption of this principle of non-aggression by Islamists to have it's roots in the justification for seeking to take back the lands taken in the crusades.

From http://www.arches.uga.edu/~godlas/rejectjihad.html



Just as reaction to the crusades opened the door that allowed certain religious authorities to stretch and distort the limits, George W. Bush's agression allows factions to pick and choose and distort in a way the rationalizations violence.