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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:18 AM
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Oklahoma Yard Sign Says Man Will Pay For Virgin Child Bride 12 to 24.
Yard Sign Says Man Will Pay For Virgin Child Bride

POSTED: 8:17 am EDT April 20, 2006

BRAY, Okla. -- A man is causing an uproar in his rural southwestern Oklahoma town by advertising that he'd like to pay for a young virgin to be his bride.

Michael Theleman, 45, said he doesn't understand the problem and thinks he just has some wicked neighbors.

Theleman has caused an uproar in the southwestern Oklahoma town of Bray with his search for a bride. He put a sign in his yard Sunday saying he'll pay $1,000 for a virgin bride between the ages of 12 and 24.

One of his neighbors said she feels like she's living near a pedophile. As of Wednesday, there were no offers.

http://www.theindychannel.com/family/8849258/detail.html
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:19 AM
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1. Wow, not only a creepy perv but
a cheap one as well. $1000? :eyes:
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:21 AM
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2. The DA says the sign is legal?
I thought the buying and selling of people was illegal in the u.s.?

What am I missing here?

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:25 AM
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6. So is fucking 12 year olds
It's amazing the county women haven't paid a call on this guy en masse and given him a few lessons in his true place in the scheme of things.

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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:32 AM
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12. It is
But no transcation has taken place, so no laws have been broken. At most he's guilty of having a warped sense of humor.

Besides this is Oklahoma, where they elected a man to the US Senate, who was very public about how any doctor who performs an abortion should be executed.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:39 AM
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17. Wouldn't he be guilty of soliciting...
or something? Sheesh. I would think offering to buy a person would be as illegal as actually buying one.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:51 AM
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20. What VelmaD said, er asked...wouldn't it be solicitation? n/t
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:16 PM
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55. Also bear in mind that OK is the ONLY state that Pat Robertson carried
when he ran for president.


What does that tell you about the electorate?
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:21 AM
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3. Well at least he doesn't want a "pig-worshipping, heathen, white-supremaci
After complaints, he put up a new sign Wednesday without the ages. The new sign said he's not interested in a "pig-worshipping, heathen, white-supremacist wife."
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:23 AM
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5. Tell me you're kidding.
This whole thing is just so outlandish that all I can do is :rofl:
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:26 AM
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8. Pig Worshipping?
What religion worships pigs? I can understand his reactionary fundie hatred of them because they hate everything but I haven't come across a pig worshipping sect yet.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:31 AM
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10. says he remade the sign to exclude the ages.


...Theleman said he doesn't understand. He said his grandmother married "a much older man" at age 14.

After complaints, he put up a new sign Wednesday without the ages. The new sign said he's not interested in a "pig-worshipping, heathen, white-supremacist wife."

Stephens County District Attorney Gene Christian said Theleman's sign likely is legal.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 11:01 AM
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37. Hilariously idiotic!
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:23 AM
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4. He must have a weenie the size of a peanut
if he has to buy a virgin who would not know any better... Guys with small dicks, do funny things... hahahahahahahahahahaha :rofl:
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:25 AM
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7. He certainly has the brain the size of one...
Edited on Thu Apr-20-06 09:29 AM by Triana
..would he put up such a sign if he were looking for a good mule? Probably so. And come to think of it, why doesn't the prick just get himself a mule. Same difference as far as what he's looking for - a piece of cattle pretty much - unused, is what he's advertising for. Not that virgins between 12 - 24 are cattle, not that any women are cattle - but HE SEEMS TO THINK they are.

How charming.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:05 AM
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28. I guess thats why it is referred to sometimes as a goober. :-)
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:06 AM
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29. bwa-hahhahahahahaha
:rofl: :rofl:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:29 AM
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9. anyone know what the legal 'age of consent' is for females in OK?
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:38 AM
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16. 16
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:31 AM
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11. Isn't soliciting for prostitution a crime?
particularly soliciting for underage girls?
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:01 AM
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24. Would a dowry constitute payment for sex?
Or a $50,000 engagement ring?

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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:32 AM
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13. Well, he's got guts
Don't see that kind of ad everyday.
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Ecumenist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:37 AM
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14. I know that I would pay a neighbourly call on this fine upstanding
Edited on Thu Apr-20-06 09:37 AM by Ecumenist
pedophile and BEAT HIM LIKE HE STOLE SOMETHING TILL THE WHITE MEAT SHOWED.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:44 AM
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19. Really? Even if he didn't do anything?
The act itself is one thing. But all he did was put a thought on a sign.
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Ecumenist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:21 PM
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57. Trust me, if someone goes to the troulbe and has the nerve
to put a PUBLIC SIGN asking for a baby bride, (and that's what it amounts to), the chances that he has never made at least furtive attempts at sexually approaching a young girl are zero to nil. Most NORMAL men DO NOT think of a 12 to 17 year olds for a possible wife in 2006.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:37 AM
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15. heard that on news radio this morning. another pig n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:39 AM
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18. age of concent in OK is 16 but with caveats
http://www.actwin.com/eatonohio/gay/consent.htm

STATE AGE OF SEXUAL CONSENT LAWS


Please keep in mind that many states have additional laws that are used to harass adults who have consensual sexual activity with minors. For instance showing a minor pornography, providing drugs or alcohol to the minor, or being in a position of authority of the minor, like a school employee can change the age of consent to a lower age. There are many cases of adults having a minor at their home without a parents permission, the parent will call the police and say their child has run away, and then direct the police to the home of the adult, who is not charged for having sex with the minor, but is charged with "contributing to the delinquency of a minor." This is a common set up by police, and judges love to throw the book at adults who have consensual sexual activity with minors. I do not have this additional information for all 50 states.


...OHIO 16

OKLAHOMA 16

OREGON 18

PENNSYLVANIA 16
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:02 AM
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26. I've often wondered about the different charges, now I understand
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Kailassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 05:43 PM
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54. What you are quoting is criticising police and judges
who are trying to prevent adults having sex with minors.

I'd suggest that quote belongs on a freeper site, not here.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:53 AM
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21. Another example of women being treated as pets or things
This has been a crappy week for women. Actually I think 2006 is the year of the anti-woman and I'm over it. States are challenging our rights to our own bodies, other states are voting on bills making it illegal to cross the state border to have an abortion even if you're an adult...yeah I know these are challenges to the Constitution but it still infuriates me. Pharmacists think they can judge us and deny our legally prescribed medications. People are blaming rape victims, creepy assholes want to buy virgins...perhaps he should go to that equally creepy daddy daughter virginity pledge thing. This sucks ass.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:55 AM
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22. Yep. Let's put up a sign asking for 12/yo virgin boys. Imagine!
Jailed, pronto.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 11:06 AM
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39. Not really
If you had a clerical collar
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:04 AM
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27. Oh man, yeah - what Gloria said
2006 - the year of the anti-woman.
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dusmcj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:59 AM
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23. I will pay for hick ignoramus to maintain yard & be my bitch. nt
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:01 AM
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25. That's really disgusting
It seems to me like he should be as guilty as anyone else who pursues sex with children. They arrest Internet pedophiles in stings before any sex takes place.
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novalib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:08 AM
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30. He's Pimping
The article doesn't say so, but my guess is that this guy (Michael Theleman) doesn't want the girl for himself.

He is probably trying to find someone for that nutball Senator from Oklahoma.
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:22 AM
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31. Its funny because Loretta Lynn was married at the ripe old age of 13
and there was no outrage over that fact. Yet a few years later Jerry Lee marries his 13 year old cousin and all hell broke out. How soon people forget how the good old days were. BTW, legal age of consent in mexico is 12.

I'm not saying this is right, I'm just pointing out that before anyone gets over board on this, laws did change.

I once asked someone why was it legal in the 1970's for legal age of consent in some southern states was 12 or 13. Their answer was women matured at an earlier age until the 1980's.

I remember growing up in the 60's where family members in southern states didn't think nothing of 12 to 13 yo girls being married off to guys in their 60's and 70's, that was so they could have a better life then their parents, yet I think it had more to do with the strain of raising 12 kids.

The laws changed mainly because of smaller families and a living wage, when women were pushing out broods of 12 or more kids the major concern was how to feed them all, one way was to marry them off. These pro-life people are trying to set up a world exactly like that again. 3 reasons this happened, 1.) religious beliefs 2.)free labor, most people that had large families were farmers more kids meant more workers to help run the farms 3.) no birth control.

This guy sounds like a fundie trying to bring back the good old days. Which is whats really bothering me about the fundies getting power, can you imagine a world where women and girl children are bought and sold to the highest bidder?

The sad thing is in third world countries this child bride selling is still going on. Girl children in asia and india are seen as a burden to their families, many end up in brothels.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:50 AM
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34. No...I think the women's movement of the 70's probably had a lot
to do with 12 year olds being allowed to be children instead of chattel for some navel gazing, burping farting backwoods dirtbag
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:01 PM
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41. That too, I agree that womans lib did a lot to stop it but remember who
was in power when womans lib started, the knuckle drarging sub speices known as the good born again male.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:16 PM
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44. Yes, so can you it seems
"can you imagine a world where women and girl children are bought and sold to the highest bidder?"

"The sad thing is in third world countries this child bride selling is still going on."
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:23 PM
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47. My maternal grandmother was an orphan in ireland that was "adopted" by a
well to do family that pretty much treated her as an indentured servent. When grandmother became of age, she was put up on the mail order bride list. So yeah I do know something about human nature when it comes to people that deem others less human then themselves.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:31 PM
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48. I didn't mean anything by it
I just thought it was funny that you asked a question in the tone of, "damn, could you imagine living in that world?", then followed it up with, "kind of like this part of the world over here."
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:49 PM
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49. I did that on purpose,
I was just remembering a friends mother before and after she got born again, before she gave me and her son alcohol and cigerettes, she met her husband by flashing her breasts at him as he drove past her house to and from work every day. Then she became born again and she never did any of those things. It became well that never happened when I was growning up. Thats the way she thinks, can you imagine, but those nasty non christens in third world countries are doing it.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:22 PM
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46. There's something about Oklahoma...
As recently as ca. 1996, Oklahoma City's news channel 4 (KFOR) had a feature they called "Jungle Love." In short, it showed how millionaire Oklahoma guys could fly to South America, literally buy young girls and bring them back to the U.S. to be in a "real Christian home."

I wish I had taped the thing, it was so surreal...the narrator acted like this was the most wonderful thing in the world. I could barely keep myself from puking my guts out.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:41 AM
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32. He's just being persecuted for being a Christian.
Edited on Thu Apr-20-06 10:41 AM by IanDB1
12 to 24 is a "Traditional Marriage," and so is purchasing the bride.

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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:46 AM
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33. what a jagg-off
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:52 AM
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35. not interested in a "pig-worshiping, heathen, white-supremacist wife."
does he get any points for not being a white-supremacist? j/k

I am guessing that he is probably, and i will use the clinical term here, "bat shit crazy."
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 02:06 PM
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52. It doesn't really fit well, does it?
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:57 AM
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36. I can't see how advertising for a 12 yr old is legal
This guy should try to go Russian mail order if he's really that hard up.
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 11:01 AM
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38. Let THIS be the syndrome title: "WICKED NEIGHBOUR SYNDROME"

It is time this disease was recognised for the mental illness it is. This sort of back-flipping projection has got to be diagnosed and treated in its early stages. Gods, what if he was just smart enough NOT to put a sign up but go for it some other way.... ? :scared:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:43 PM
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59. Exactly. It's the SIGN that folks complain about! The SIGN!
:crazy: :eyes: :wow: :silly:
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 11:12 AM
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40. 12? 12?!?! Surely that cannot be legal anywhere in the U.S.
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:05 PM
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42. Not now, all the consent ages were raised between 1970 and 1980.
As a teen in the 1970's it was well known that a few southren states age of consent was 12 and 13. Mississippi and Alabama are the two best known states that had age of consent at 12.
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miss_american_pie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:50 PM
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50. Yeah, I can't decide what's more horrifying
that he wants to buy a person or a 12 year old person?
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:09 PM
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43. Well, more power to him, except...
I'm a little disturbed about the age range. And what's this obsession with virginity?

If he gets any response at all, it'll be from a frigid airhead. Just desserts.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:53 PM
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60. What, "more power to him?" You're only "a little disturbed"?
UH, excuse me, but do we have a disconnnect here? Where do you come from that this merits "more power?" Please, I want to know. I live in Connecticut. Where are you, so I can make sure I am, and no one in my family is, near you?
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:16 PM
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45. The words "Idiot" and "Loser" are the first thing that comes to mind.
In fact the city should require that his sign display those two words prominently in large bold print before the barely legible words "seeks virgin wife".
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:52 PM
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51. He must think of it as a mail-order bride, where you pay for one.
That is legal in America? I have no idea if paying a finders fee for a "bride" is legal. But I'm pretty sure you can't marry a twelve year old.. He thinks he can get around the laws by marrying her.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 02:14 PM
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53. Better than foreskins I guess
though apparently it is biblical to require foreskins in exchange for the hand of one's daughter.
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Kailassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:27 PM
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58. That's only if you want to wreak revenge by
killing all the locals

while they are still clutching their cropped cocks in agony.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:19 PM
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56. Oh My God Where Does It Stop With These Damn People
I thought for sure the story had to be a joke. Nope. Not a joke. Just a sick fuck.

But not just sick. Sick fucking sick. I mean, he didn't only post the ludicrous sign, but even goes so far as to seriously question and wonder why his neighbors have a problem with it? Now that, my friends, is one sick fucker.
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 03:19 AM
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61. Remember a few years ago they picked up a member of the church of latter
day saints on bigamy charges and he got slapped with a CSC charge because one of his wives was only 13 when they married? As the story unfolded it turned out that he started dating her when she was 11. Later the CSC charges were dropped because they had been married long enough to have 2 or 3 kids together. In simple terms, it depends on ones brand of religion on something being sick or disgusting and many off shoots of religious sects have some pretty sick things going on that are never brought out. Also, because it is religion based alot of people never think twice about it.

Thats why I consider religion dangerous, people twist it around to get away with out landish behaviors and are blown off as religious nuts but most people blow them off as nuts and don't see them as dangerous. Shrub is a fine example of a dangerous religious nut, he thinks he can bring about Armageddon Because god ordained that he would be a great leader, the scary part was how many still believe that shrub was pre-ordained to be president.

I think a lot of these people took one bad acid trip in the 60's and passed the stupidity on to their kids.
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