Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

I love when freepers use this lame analogy to justify high gas prices.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread		 This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
 
Jamison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 07:49 PM
Original message
I love when freepers use this lame analogy to justify high gas prices.
Locally, gas here is about $2.78, which is relatively cheap compared to most of the country. Anyway, someone I know who is a rw'er overheard me griping about the high gas prices. They piped up and said: "Hey if you think a gallon of gas is expensive, I had to pay $3.29 for a gallon of milk last night at the grocery store." I just said "Bad analogy man, when was the last time you consumed 10 gallons of milk in a day?" He had no reply for that one. :rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 07:51 PM
Response to Original message
1. Also:
Edited on Fri Apr-21-06 07:52 PM by evlbstrd
How the hell do you think the milk got to the store? No wonder it cost so much.

edit for spelling dammit
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 07:51 PM
Response to Original message
2. When they come out with milk-fueled cars,
and we have to pay $3.29/gallon to fill them up, he'll be singing a different tune. It's really a stupid analogy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 06:11 AM
Response to Reply #2
56. you said it
I told a guy something similar a few months ago...

"I buy 1 gallon of milk a week - if 1 gallon of gas a week at $3.29/gallon will get me back and forth to work I wouldn't complain...."

a couple of weeks ago the same guy was complaining about gas prices and how much it costs him to fill his truck (diesel) -- I smiled and told him he should be using milk instead of gas...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 07:52 PM
Response to Original message
3. I'm waiting for shrub to eff up and tell President Hu to
"tear down this wall"....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 07:53 PM
Response to Original message
4. GREAT response!!!
I stopped to get gas tonight ($2.86 for regular) and as I stepped out of the car, the person in the car a head of me began to moan ... "Can You Believe This? $57.00!" Then I heard the lady in the next lane say that she stops everyday to get $10 worth of gas now and today, it got her to work and back to the gas station only!


It is really starting to hurt everyone, not just those of us with an already stretched budget. This is going to be one long, hot, interesting summer for sure.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #4
9. I remember when I could go all week on $5 worth of gas.
Edited on Fri Apr-21-06 07:56 PM by Left Is Write
ETA: Of course, I was only making $5.50 an hour back then. :D
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #9
13. When I got my license, gas was 25 cents a gallon
We could cruise all night on 50 cents!

I watch my son try to earn enough to pay his insurance (almost 2 grand a year because he is only 18) and still have money to fill his tank. Forget anything extra like a burger with his friends or anything like that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 06:26 AM
Response to Reply #4
58. With the Repub minimum wage just over $5 that means
she "only" has to work 2 hours to buy the gas to go to work.

Republinomics in action !

War is peace.

Ignorance is strength.

Hate is love.

Big BushCo loves you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 07:55 PM
Response to Original message
5. plus when you live in your Mom's basement she's most likely paying for
your gas or you're using her car so the price per gallon is immaterial to them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 07:55 PM
Response to Original message
6. That is a great reply
BTW, I heard some idiot woman try to blame the high gas prices lately on CARTER. :wtf:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jamison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. Carter? Now that's insane.
It's 25 years since he's been in office.:silly:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. Technically, she said, "Carter and his OPEC buddies"
:crazy:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #6
12. Does that mean Carter can take credit for the low gas prices...
in the late 80s?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. Sure! Why not?
:crazy:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
windy252 Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #6
22. Clinton I'd expect to be blamed
because of the all-powerful Clenis but blaming Carter is really reaching far back.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Chico Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 07:55 PM
Response to Original message
7. What about the price of gas around the rest of the world?
Edited on Fri Apr-21-06 07:59 PM by Chico Man
Belgium France Germany Italy Netherlands U.K. U.S.

4/3/06 6.04 5.77 6.00 5.91 6.48 6.05 2.79
4/10/06 6.10 5.80 5.96 5.91 6.73 6.13 2.88

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/gas1.html

We still have it pretty damn good here, regardless of the price of milk.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jamison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #7
16. Big difference between here and there.
Those high gas prices there really don't kill cconsumers there as bad as they do here. Those are VERY small countries compared to the US, they drive much more fuel efficient vehicles, sprawl is not a problem, and they have great mass transit. This is why Europeans can deal with those high fuel prices, while they kill us.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Chico Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #16
21. So you are saying that if gas were cheap in Europe
People would not drive bigger cars to work more often?

I find that hard to believe.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #16
35. And there is one very important facet to the high gas prices in
Europe. They don't just get gas for their money. They get national healthcare which is part of the gas prices (among other things).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jayhawk Lib Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #35
38. Great idea
Why don't we suggest putting another $3.00 a gallon tax on gas and give everybody free health care. That would be great.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 01:57 AM
Response to Reply #38
52. Yup, that's the dirty little secret that noone tells you about the
high gas prices in Europe. Sure, I'll pay $3.00 too if healthcare and other things are included.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
marbuc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #16
39. plus, their prices are high in large part because of taxes
so they pay at the pump but get health insurance and a high level of government services.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Chico Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. So the problem really is Exxon, not high gas prices.
This thread originally was dealing with high gas prices. Since our prices are not going towards govt services or healthcare, and instead corporate profits, it is really a problem with corporations.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
marbuc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:01 PM
Response to Reply #41
45. yes and no
Comparing our high prices with higher prices of Europe is a bogus argument, because they get a lot more for what they pay. Are the corporations gouging us? I don't know. There are a dizzying number of explanations for how this could happen, including deficient refining capacity, which we know the industry suppressed in the last twenty years to drive up prices.

The facts remain that prices are at an all time high, as are corporate profits. I'm willing to put two and two together, and conclude something is amiss.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #7
19. There is a difference:
Edited on Fri Apr-21-06 08:09 PM by baldguy
In Europe most of the price goes to taxes, and the citizenry have a say in how those taxes are spent.

In America most of the price goes to oil corp profits, which are then used to take political power away from the citizenry.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #19
48. just as much goes to corporate profits in europe-
the taxes are on top of that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Speed8098 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 07:12 AM
Response to Reply #19
59. Here are some stats to back up your statements
This link will show you state by state how much tax is on gasoline.
http://money.cnn.com/2005/09/06/pf/taxes/gas_tax/index.htm

This link gives you the cost of gasoline globally.
http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/

I can't seem to find exact tax figures for each European country, but it seems that gasoline is taxed from 60% to 75% across the continent.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #7
20. My German gf is 38 years old and has never had a car.
Trains and buses go to every village.

Yes, it's a smaller country, but even taking that into account, we are far, far behind in building public transportation.

Gas in Germany right now is 1.15 euro per litre. Before Bush destroyed the dollar, that would have been about 4$ / gal.

When you do these gas price comparisons, you have to consider the damage to the dollar by BushCorp.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #7
23. Most Americans can't walk to the corner shop and buy groceries
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Chico Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. Does that give them the excuse to use up the worlds resources
And pollute the air I breathe?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #24
26. No
But we still have to buy groceries and get to work 20 miles across town. That's the reality.

Believe me, if I could walk to the store I would.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #24
27. If we don't use up the world's resources
Who will?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Chico Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. Whoever is selling it the cheapest!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 11:35 PM
Response to Reply #24
49. no. that's what the military is for.
nt.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
johncoby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #7
37. Thats horseshit.
They dont depend on their cars like we do. They dont consume like we do. They have mass transit, many of us do not. We are hillbillies when it comes to mass transit.

And since we are comparing to other countries, Venezuela is 25 cents a gallon? Which do you prefer? Europe or Venezuela?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Chico Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #37
40. I wonder who had the great idea of building communities around the
use of the automobile. Hopefully this pain will create an evolution in the way we live in this country.

We need to lose dependence on our cars. Even George W Bush says this.

We need to consume less.

We need to bring better mass transit to the people.

We need universal healthcare.

Do you support a $3.00 / gallon tax on gas to make it happen?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 07:55 PM
Response to Original message
8. The completely cracked thing is that they actually buy this shit.

All it shows is that they are LOSERS who have to go around saying STUPID things to prop up their own self-image. They have to re-programme themselves first, of course...

Crudburgers, the lot of them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 07:58 PM
Response to Original message
11. My Personal Freeper said....
that you could TELL that Bush was not orchestrating the
economy to enrich himself and his friends, because if he
WAS, then gas would be CHEAPER so we would all BUY MORE
of it.

:puke:

(And he's a LAWYER!) He scares me.....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
patdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #11
17. Yeah, when gas was cheap I used it to water my plants..that's it
sure...now I just fill my tank...not long ago (last year?) $5.00 would give me almost 1/2 tank now I cannot get 2 gallons..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:20 PM
Response to Reply #17
29. Pfah! I used to bathe in it!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #11
25. wow ...that freeper is stunningly stupid
pity the fool who hires such a dumbass for a lawyer
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #25
31. Ha Ha Ha....
he works for the CITY!

:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #11
33. If you ever need a lawyer....
CALL SOMEBODY ELSE!

'Cause this guy's a moron.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #33
36. The worst part is...
he's one of my husband's best friends! They have
known each other since 3rd grade.

Deadpan punchline coming:

His wife is EVEN WORSE!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #36
44. Please don't say she's an economist, or an accountant.
Please let her be an Amway distributor or something. :scared:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. It just keeps getting worse...she's a ...
DIVORCE ATTORNEY!

I think she fantasizes about
handling <SChusband's case
some day.....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 05:39 AM
Response to Reply #46
54. Well, at least they deserve each other.
But what karmic law did You break, friend? :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
marbuc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #11
43. Gas he doesn't understand
price elasticity. Unlike other products for which this might apply, we need the gasoline and will pay whatever it takes. Some of us have cut back on consumption, but obviously hardly enough to dent the record profits.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #43
47. I AM interested in seeing what gas prices do to the boating
world here.

But someone explained to me that they
"just sit on their boats" anyway.

He's right!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 06:17 AM
Response to Reply #11
57. Now they are saying the president has no control over the price
of gas... Gee... it wasn't that long ago when gas spiked under Clinton they had a different view then. Clinton has no energy plan, Clinton closed down refineries, blah, blah, blah.. Then when Bush got in they were saying watch the price of gas go down now that we have an Texas Oil President...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:08 PM
Response to Original message
18. Since the freeper brought it up,,,,
you could ask him WHY his milk is so expensive???

Might have something to do with the cost of energy... hmmm??

oh and who had the super top secret energy task force ???
And who invaded the middle east ??
And who said that would equal cheaper energy ???
And what companies are reporting record profits?
And who's money are those profits made of ??

Jeez.. freeps just can't put one and one together.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:19 PM
Response to Original message
28. A work repug bitched about the gas $$, and I said, "Those are your boys
bilking you.. It was their plan all along." Wow, did she start trashing Clinton. So, I told her about PNAC and Jeff Gannon.

I don't think she'll ever talk to me again. Maybe not even look me in the eye.

:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:35 PM
Response to Original message
32. I was looking at 1986 prices tonight for a fun flyer I'm working on
Edited on Fri Apr-21-06 08:36 PM by mcscajun
for my sister's 20th wedding anniversary.

Here are some of the "nitty-gritty" numbers from 1986:

Cost of a gallon of regular gas: $0.93
Cost of a dozen eggs: $0.87
Cost of a gallon of Milk: $2.22

Looking at those numbers sure took some of the fun out of my little project.

Oh, the pain.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:40 PM
Response to Original message
34. That's a good one.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:38 PM
Response to Original message
42. Is it any wonder they support Pinhead**? Stupid and Stupider!
Do they realize that the high price at the pump is what is causing their increased milk costs?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 11:44 PM
Response to Original message
50. nice response
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SofaKingLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 11:53 PM
Response to Original message
51. I remember a while back some dumbshit on a corporate media
station compared the price of gas to the price of Gatorade.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 02:16 AM
Response to Original message
53. There is no amount of P.R. that will help offset the spiraling gas prices
Every time someone pulls up the pump they will remember who was so instrumental in getting them there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 05:49 AM
Response to Original message
55. Had a right-winger tell me yesterday it's all the environmentalists
and Teddy Kennedy's fault for all the damn laws. I told him to get his head out of his ass and look at what political party is in charge of all three branches of government. He had no reply!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed May 01st 2024, 05:40 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators

Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC