If Hillary Steals the Nomination...

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In a year that we should be putting traditionally Red states in play, the last thing we should ever do is install someone who's nomination is seen as illegitimate and put whole traditionally Dem voting blocs in play instead.

Will AA's vote for McCain? Probably not. Would they withhold their vote if HRC is the nom (and seen as illegitimately so)? Quite possibly. Is that important? You damn well better believe it. Kerry won MI and PA in '04 due to the turnout of AA voters. Can we afford to potentially lose those states to McCain?

This is just one (of many) ways that Hillary would destroy the party if she were the nominee.

I totally in agreement.

Is it possible it's not an easily manipulated caucus state? Could that be it? Afraid your televangelist has peaked?

Obama has made sure that the vote of Michigan and Florida will not count. But that ain't "stealing." It's just good business.

Obama supporters continue to disgust me.

Candidates....I find such tone about either to be disturbing and unnecessary.

I know many fellow African Americans who will stay home if Hillary get's the nomination. The Math is on Obamas side and the way most AA's see it, he should already be declared the nominee. The fact that Hillary is still "allowed" to be in the race , is seen as "fishy" to them. So , imagine of she get's the nomination?

Older Blacks will go to Mc Cain because they take the right and act of voting very , very , very , seriousy considering the Civil Rights stuff. Plus, they are already conservative anyway so it won't be hard. Younger Blacks , along with other Young people overall, will be very upset and after massive protests, they will sit the election out or go Vengeance Voting against the Democratic Party.

Let's wait and see which candidate has the most votes and the most delegates after everyone has had a chance to vote, before we start accusing one candidate of trying to "steal" the nomination.

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and what if we account for the popular vote and she should still overtake Obama. Is that then stealing?

Yet I think is even beyond African Americans. People like The younger voters that are relatively new to "Paying attention to this politics thing" will feel alienated and if they do decide to show up at the polls they will likely give McCain their vote.

In my view Clinton getting the nomination will mean 8-16 years more republican white house rule.

It just drips of Freerepublic-esque tactics.So, if Obama gets the nomination can I say the same thing? If McCaine wins the election can I say the same thing? Where does it end? Its dumb comments like this is why I don;t come to DU anymore and that really is making me think about the party. If Obama gets the nomination, I WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM and its the Obama supporters who are pushing me and MANY away not the man. Hell, up until about a month ago I could not decide over the two. I feel Hillary is the better choice. Doesn;t mean I don't like Obama, I just feel Hillary is better. The Obama supporters are doing more harm to their man then they know. They are too cocky and arrogant (and ignorant) to see it.. Not the RWingers! Congrats! You've succeeded on dividing the party. The OP is a disgrace to Democrats!

because you're the mirror image of what you claim to be upset about...

You say that Obama supporters are 'dividing the party' yet you also say 'If Obama gets the nomination, I WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM'

so... who's dividing the party?

Obama's rabid foaming at the mouth supporters, thats who.I have a few issues with Obama but its his bully,...er, I mean his supporters who come off sounding like freepers who have disgusted me. I have been called a troll and a freeper because I am voting for Hillary by those here at DU. I signed up on DU in December of 2000. I found a family who was just as upset with the direction this country was heading in as I was. I recall posts like "God Bless Bill Clinton" or "Bill Clinton vs. George Bush". Now, I am being bullied and harassed and called a freeper and troll because I am not in Obama's court cheering him on. Oh, but you say it's me who is dividing the party? I guess as long as I agree with you and everything Obama says I am a good little Democrat but if I cross the line I am a troll.

This is why DU won't get a nickel of my money from here on out. It has become so anti Hillary pro Obama I just stopped coming here. I am no longer welcome. Those who praised Hillary and defended her are now trashing her. I won't vote for Obama and its sad because Obama is not the one turning me against him. Its his supporters like you. I feel if Obabma picks Hillary as his running mate that will divide the party even more.I am thinking about the Supreme Court and the party and still, I can not pick a man like Obama with his ugly pack of supporters and I know plenty who feel even more passionate about Obama than I do. They too are disgusted by the arrogance and the school yard tactics. Whats sad is about a month ago I really was on Obama's side. It was tough choice picking which one I wanted. I feel Hillary's experience won out plus Hillary's stand on gay issues and I personally will feel better having a Clinton in the White House again.

I should be able to say I am all for Hillary without being attacked or insulted. We are all in the same party but the smears and swift boating have already begun. She is already being accused of stealing the nomination, I mean how can you tell me this does not have Republican play book written all over it? I mean, it's as if Karl Rove wrote the title of this post for Gods Sake! So many here hate Hillary, why not join Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity? They hate her as well, together you all can destroy her.

This is what Democrats have become and I am repulsed by it.

Richard Mellon Scaife is a Clinton friend

Obabma supporters keep saying because of Rev Wright and other homophobes who Barak is associated to, that who they know is not an issue. Can we say, double standards? One set of rules for Obama and another for Hillary. So by your logic, everyone who Obama and Hillary knows reflects on them, yes? If so both are guilty and not just Hillary. Why is it not okay to like and admire both? Could this be why the party is divided? Oh now wait a minute, it's all Hillary's fault. 8 years of the GOP blaming Bill for everything. After 911 the GOP blames the Clinton's for everything and now, they are still blaming the Clinton's for everything, but now they have Obama supporters joining in with them.

You can and should say if you support Hillary.

You've just done so in the last 2 posts and nobody has blasted you for it.
What you have been called on is claiming that 'Obama supporters' are dividing the party while you are saying 'I won't vote for Obama'.

The ugliness that's going on between the fanatics on either side is represented nicely in your posts.
The fact that you don't see it at all just reinforces it.

As for your money... I don't think DU is going to sink because you stop donating.

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DU won't sink because I won't support them but trust me, I am not alone.If Hillary wins the noination will YOU accuse of her of stealing it? Will you vote for her? The fanatics are everywhere these days. I mean, your insulting me and having a hissy fit because I have said I won't vote for Obama. How can you say with a straight face I am a fanatic and being ugly?

I DO SUPPORT HILLARY.
If Obama can change my mind, I will support him as well. Its a long way til November, but his rabid supporters are NOT helping him, TRUST ME! Others at DU may not be attacking me in this post but I have been attacked and called a troll and freeper because I support Hillary.

you should as well, regardless of who you support at the moment.

I define 'stealing it' as overturning the will of the people.
If 1 candidate has the popular and the other the most pledged delegates, the supers will have a tough job and I think a valid argument could be made for them swinging to either candidate.
If 1 candidate has both the popular and the most pledged delegates, the supers swinging to the other candidate would, in my opinion, clearly be overturning the will of the people.
That would be "stealing the election"

Any candidate who agrees to win in absence of both should be repudiated ... and the party should break into little fragments if that happens.
To my knowledge neither has agreed to accept victory that way and I don't think the supers would make that decision because it would be party suicide.

I'm pretty sure I will vote for whoever legitimately wins the nomination.
Either Clinton or Obama will be better than McCain, and they (not their supporters) would have to do something pretty bad between now and the GE for me to not vote for them.

As for me insulting you or having a hissy fit.. I've done neither.
That you think I have reinforces my point.

It is sad that you can't see that you are what you complain about.

by accusing me of dividing the party. I have not. I do however agree with your post above and only wish more people here ate DU felt the same way.

If someone did steal the nomination I would be right there with you making a fuss about it. But c'mon. Accusing someone of stealing a nomination this early is just insane and nothing more than a smear campaign. The op should know better. I thought us Democrats were better than that. This is the exact same thing they did to Kerry questioning his purple heart. Making accusations that are false and can not be backed up just to stir the pot and make sure you do your part and hate the Clinton's. A cheap shot out Karl Rove's play book being used by Democrats against Democrats. Yes, Karl Rove would be very proud of the title of this post and the outcome. Bravo! Spot on!


If it sounds like I am complaining its because of the anti Hillary sentiment going around. If you or anyone does not like her, fine but don't insult me for supporting her. I have some issues with Obama I would be willing to deal with and even over look if the supporters would just back off. It looks like he has got the nomination so they should just back off and chill.

Hilarious! I'll have to remember that one.