Barack cuts Rev. Wright loose

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I guess it was time.

Right now, I'd rater vote for Wright than Obama.

I agree with many of his points. I share many of his controversial ideologies. However, he is so condescending, and smug, and glib in his delivery. He is the antithesis of Obama, and it's more then just a little bit irritating. For him, it's just "I'm right, you're wrong, piss off". I crave those traits in my punk rock frontmen, but I could do without it from a preacher or from a politician.

His little press conference was lame. He wasn't so much self-assured as he was patently defiant and arrogant. He was not trying to get people to understand him... he could care less what anyone thinks, and he's made that clear. He only wishes to put people in their place, and that's about it. And let's face it, he loves to talk. Afterall, he's a preacher.

I think Greg Graffin said it best:

"Hey Brother Christian with your high and might errand,
Your actions speak so loud, I can't hear a word you're saying."

The Clintons are at it again!! This is payback time. Wright is being used by Clintons to mess Obama up. that's all there is. the MSM will soon catch on to what is being cooked by the Crooktins.

..but Barrack pulled the pin by not voting with his feet and leaving Wright's church.

From the first time he and Barack sat down, The Campaign Genius there should have directed his candidate to embark upon a strategy of inoculation, and he didn't do it.

He knows the controversy he caused. He knows that people were now focusing on the issues. Then HE decided HE should be the issue, and the MSM is more than happy to accomodate

He has made many good point just like nader, but unfortuntely, just like nader he doesn't care for the bigger cause, and he might just propel mccain into the white house

I could see them playing his idiotic remark how aids was caused against the black person. That is the same bullshit the repukes pull, without evidence they say anything, yet alone it doesn't account for the white who are afflicted with that also

When irresponsible statements such as that are made WITHOUT any proof, that doesn't reflect very well on Wright in my book

but since I AM VOTING FOR OBAMA, and NOT Wright, and Wright only speaks for himself

God Bless Rev Wright but he has some race issues,everytime he speaks it's about race,and the final straw was mocking the Kennedy's and continuously bringing up Farrakan,see ya

Wright is that kind of man whose ego LOVES the attention. He should have just been happy Obama was doing well, and NEVER commented to the media about stuff he said years ago. He should have just STFU. But no, he didn't. He had step into the trap the Hillary camp and the Right wingers laid out for him. He had to give public statements, he had to give interviews, he had too....TAKE THE SPOTLIGHT.

He announces the other day that the media is the one to blame for all this attention on himself. What a fucking ego-maniac - doesn't even realize it's HIM who is fucking this up for Obama and the greater good.

Wright has a sense of entitlement to the lime light, well, sorry Jack, don't think so.

I'm glad Obama has distanced himself - FINALLY - from Wright. I hope he'll just learn to shut the fuck up before he ruins it for Obama and the first chance for an African American to become President.

As Obama said in Philadelphia, Wright doesn't see that things have improved or can improve in the future. Wright is invested in things as they were when he was a young man. That's what gives him an audience for his rants. If Obama wins, everyone will know that Wright's days are gone. The future that we and Obama want to build will make Wright obsolete and he knows it. To Wright, the U.S. Government is the enemy and if Obama wins, he becomes the commander of Wright's self-declared enemies. It makes total sense that Wright would stab Obama in the back.

will finally satisfy the ignorant masses.... or will it?

If mccain wins the general election, you will not find me with any compassion for those who cannot get healthcare, losing their homes, jobs, paying high energy and food costs, and watching the American dream go down the toilet

Actually, I have pretty much given up on the American public in 2004, but since the effects of what the republicans have done, is now being felt, I will give the American public one last chance to make it right it 2008, or they can go screw themselves, especially the middle class

How could the man I saw being interviewed by Bill Moyers on Friday, the thoughtful, witty, intelligent man, go from that to the total asshole I watched preening and posturing at the National Press Club yesterday?

I got chills when I saw that Wright's bodyguards were from the Nation Of Islam. I just figured that was Obama's death knell.

He left Obama no choice.

Rev. Wright just recently retired and has lived a prosperous life. Somehow he's thrown into the spotlight at a moment he should be leaving it. H's simply taking full advantage of the attention. He doesn't have to answer to any man especially a Obama the politician or the Corp media.

It's a time when he only has to answer to his maker and continue to speak truth to power however he feels like it. Rev. Wright will be just fine, the questions is will Obama and is former church community be... or maybe even us for that matter =/

wrong topic, should be response to OP

What's the big deal? I'd find him annoying and he's got a big ego, but he can be funny and though-provoking. Now with this stuff, I think, what on earth?!?!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5734674&mesg_id=5734674

Barbara Reynolds, the organizer of the NPC event is a huge Clinton supporter. Wright allowed himself to be played like a fiddle. Now I don't know whether it was jealousy, or money, or just bad judgment, but, he was wrong to do what he did, stepping all over Obama's campaign, and Obama is right to throw him under the bus for it.

And I do think that Wright had made many intuitive points in the past few days, I just despise how he went about it.

:eyes:

She proposed Wright as a press club speaker TWO YEARS AGO.

TWO YEARS. The committee turned her down at the time, because he wasn't "newsworthy" enough. They came back with an upcheck and assigned her to go get him, because now, he is.

Nice try.

nice to see what everyone is talking about.

Gobama.

But I find it difficult to understand why a whole bunch of Obama supporters here on DU have been investing their energies in defending Jeremiah Wright and all of his crazy statements right up until Obama made this statement at 2pm Eastern today.

were allowed and capable of examining the Reverend Wright in full detail, we would find that he is a decent individual.

But y'know, hey - maybe that's just me? :shrug:

He's just who he is--a product of his life experience. Which is nothing like Obama's. He's also a smart, educated man--and who knows, this may not be as straightforward as it looks. As I said in a post this morning, he (Wright) might have thrown himself under the bus so that Obama could easily distance himself from him. Stranger things have happened.

because it shows the people how different he is from Obama is his basic views. That maybe giving him a full airing will make people see that he's the Old Way and Obama is the New Way to see race in America. Just as Obama explained in his Philly speech--Wright is from the older generation that lived through a lot of crap and that's why he gave him the benefit of the doubt then, but can no longer do it now. He's now taken the next step--to separate himself from Wright just as I had hoped the media and the people could have figured out for themselves. But Obama has clarified it now.

People have lost their minds... they championed Wright until Obama distances himself from him ....Now they sing a different tune... You pegged it.... Seems some people got some splaining to do?

What "crazy statements" are you referring to? The only thing "crazy" I see is that a good many people can't see truth when it's staring them in the face.

If anyone were to take time to do research they'd find there is ample evidence to believe CIA was indeed responsible for AIDS epidemic, and there is hardly anyone that couldn't say that this nation is the #1 threat to world peace and a terrorist nation. After all, what do you call a nation that kills over 3,000 of it's citizens in broad day-light, uses that as provocation to attack two other countries, murders another 1,000,000 people and is threatening to start a world-war? Like a mother that refuses to believe her husband is molesting their daughter even after he keeps reading her bed-time stories for 3 hours every night at the age of 12, so are Americans who refuse to see that Wright is right about everything he said.

All that has happened here is affirmation that Obama is just another empty suit and that Americans are a deluded people who are to cowardly to handle truth. The fact that Obama is the best candidate out of the three major ones left (most don't know that Ron Paul hasn't quit, nor Mike Gravel, and let's not leave out 3rd party candidates - although the M$M has) doesn't make us a democracy the deluded masses think we are. For the most part we're caged animals that elites are experimenting with to foster their own agenda and by using statements to denounce truth when spoken as "crazy" seems to indicate that in your case they're doing a good job of doing just that.

I am firmly convinced that this entire system will have to fail, as totally corrupt systems are apt to do, before it can be re-built. That is if there is anything left to build from after the collapse.

The Rev. is just a little too much. I get it. I'm glad the Rev. pushes people thoughts to uncomfortable places. Its good for us all to have intellectual/spiritual challenges. Just not right for the masses. They'd rather be safe and happy sheep.

Baaaaaahhh

what exactly Obama is thinking, but his voice and delivery betray that he really did not want to say all this stuff.

Most likely his advisers convinced him to do this, for obvious reasons. Only time will tell whether they're correct about what Wright would do to Obama's campaign, or if they're just chickenshit. :shrug:

He is cleary upset, disappointed, feeling let down and embarassed by his former Pastor's behavior.

It is obviously the case that Obama and Wright do NOT share the same basic beliefs.

It is only odd that Obama suddenly realizes this after a 20-year association with Wright.

Obviously he needed to show significant posturing 'cause the MSM won't let him alone. It isn't clear to me that it is anything but that. Though I confess to being to feed up with politics to actually watch the video.

I'd say go Barak, do what you have to do. Certainly given the current situation he is our best choice so as far as I'm concerned - I don't care what he says - he's still better than McLame or Clinton.

Way to base your opinion on evidence! :eyes:

Wright simply reminds us that racism and race division are still very much something that hurts us all.

but then as you say, the timing would indeed be odd.

I am filled with profound ambivalence by the whole thing. And so's Obama, probably.

On the one hand, I support the message that racial issues are not going to go away and that while the goal is reconciliation it still does no good to deny them. Also, that Wright's original comments were being forceful and blunt in a way that outraged people less because of their actual impropriety (compared to some of the more radical things we'd routinely kick around on a progressive board) than because of denial about their underlying cause, which is the the grave and, for some, unimaginable legacy of racism in this county. I think for most of us whites in this country it would be impossible to imagine what it's like to be born to a people who are on this continent only because they were brought in chains. And being unable to imagine it, we would have no place -- and it would be idiotic to think we had any -- to condemn the kind of anger that people such as Wright may feel every day, or their needing to vent it from time to time. Neither do I have any patience for those who believe Obama is somehow perverse or twisted for his association with that person, and who have helped to turn the issue into a circus.

On the other hand, though I haven't seen all the videos, I understand from what people are saying that Wright has postured increasingly and tried to bathe in the limelight of that circus. If it's true I certainly agree that Obama doesn't need any part of it, and I don't blame him for being saddened or disgusted even by the behavior of someone he's known for so long. I would be lying to say there aren't people I've known for many years who just suddenly pulled some bullshit. Bullshit begets bullshit, and the only way to stop it is cut it off right where it is and not go another round.

I have no idea what's going on anymore and I can only hope it works out for the best somehow.

What are those "obvious reasons"? Is it that for the most part Americans are a deluded people who can't handle truth when spoken? Is it that this truth if exposed and having those held accountable would also condemn Americans as ignorant fools and enablers?

The only obvious thing I see here is that this nation has committed crimes so egregious as to throw most people into denial. We see pictures of torture we committed and blame it on a "few bad-apples", and even after we find out that those "apples" were all the top officals we sit on our asses and do nothing. We have elections we know are tainted and still place of "faith-based" votes on machines that should never have been made. We watched controlled demolitions of 3 buildings and a "bunker-buster" missile hit the Pentagon on 9/11 and instead of accepting what we see with our own eyes believe everything a lying administration tells us. We have deluded ourselves into believing that any of the three remaining candidates are going to do anything but continue this charade.

The only thing obvious is these so-called "advisers" play to ignorance rather than enlightenment. That this corrupt system that has been fostered for over 200 years is now falling apart.

The Dog & Pony Show that is the American two-party system would be laughable if it weren't such a tragic farce.

And obviously, you've noticed that.

I'm not making any judgments as to why. That's completely beside the point of that particular post.

If you read what else I've posted, you can see what I feel about that issue.

has to deal with this crap. Sorry but Wright is a self serving jerk. Obama is trying to put an end to this primary by winning Indiana and NC. Then this idiot has to come out and run his mouth for his 15 mins of fame. Puts the Obama message right back on the defense and all you will hear is Obama rejecting Wright. Nothing about the issues.

I hope Wright is happy.

I can imagine that the Obamas are saddened to acknowledge this, even to themselves. I noted saddness as Mr. Obama spoke.

I do wonder which reporter in the MSM will ask him that question "Are you now an Atheist Senator Obama?"

Personally I prefer to call myself a Rationalist -- or if pushed a Humanist (although I don't believe Humans have the right to deny other animals the right to sustain their species, and I would recognize Gorillas, Orang-Utans and Chimpanzees as having the same rights as humans. Maybe I grew up watching too much Planet of the Apes?).

Atheist is a negative description because it says what you don't believe in.

... we believe anything, nothing, and everything. Plus, we drink like fishes.

eom

With this speech Obama has likely alienated a small part of his base. Yet what wright has done could cost him the nomination and I for one am sick and tired of the bullshit involved with the whole thing.

..until he renounces Rev. Wright two more times.
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

asks us to vote for him based on character and superior judgment in lieu of experience.

What can top Wright? I have wondered what race cards the Obama campaigns will bring into play in North Carolina. Maybe the Rev. Wright's Truth and Reconciliation Tour backfired. Karma's a bitch.

Hope the Rezko trial doesn't happen between the nomination and November if BO is the candidate. Having the Democratic governor brought down won't play well since Rezko has been Obama's patron from the beginning. The Democratic leadership is really inept for not vetting this candidate. As the beginning of this three-part expose points out:


http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0803/S00452.htm

"The most trusted leaders of the Democratic party, such as John Kerry and Ted Kennedy, ought to be ashamed of themselves for supporting Barack Obama. With use of the internet, a fifth grader could connect the dots to show a picture of a guy who was picked up in college and carried up the political ladder by a corrupt gang of influence peddlers."

But then the Dem Leadership stood by while the Clintons were being portrayed as racists by the Obama campaign (and not so subtly--memos exist--if Obama brings down the Party, blame Dean, Pelosi, Brazile, etc. Obama probably promised Pelosi and Richardson the VP spot.

Chris Matthews and Keith Obamaman are just MSNBC shrills who want Obama to add to their bottom line. GE can make zillions building nuclear power plants as soon as their phony "green, trustworthy" puppet is installed in the White House. This is a guy whose chose Exxelon dollars over notifying his constituents that their drinking water might be contaminated by nuclear wastes. (New York Times article that appeared on the front page of the Sunday NYT before the California primary.)

Obama's destroying the Democratic "brand."

I'm sure Karl Rove has purchased the Ayers/Dohrn tapes of the 2007 radical convention. They make Rev. Wright sound tame.

(I think Obama forgot that he launched his run for the Illinois Senate from Ayers' house. He had a chance on ABC to be truthful, but then he's just a Chicago politician; the number two man of the influence peddlers.)

pardons

You want to play that game, then Hillary's judgement voting for the IWR, EVEN THOUGH over 20 Democrats KNEW the WAR POWERS ACT SHOULD NOT BE REVERSED, shows her lack of judgement. Forget about whether Obama didn't even vote, we KNOW how she voted. We know she vote for the Kyle/Lieberman ammendment, recently said she would NUKE IRAN if they attacked Israel, voted for the use of Cluster Bombs in civillian areas, voted for the bankrupcy bill, was for NAFTA, etc. etc. etc.

Clinton, Carville/mattilan, and all the DLC assholes destroyed the Democratic brand a long time ago, by allowing the telecommunications act of the ninities, deregulation of the banking industry, FREE TRADE THROUGH NAFTA, where corporations gained at the peoples expense, laws that threw people off of welfare, etc. etc. etc. Their Democratic party is only out for THEMSELVES, not the country or the people

I will have donated to D.U.

What are you doing here anyway. 1,000 posts must be an easy target these days. Used to think that meant someone who was committed to this board. Apparently I'm wrong.

I only wish it were not needed.

He had to know that his words would stir up a dust storm of instantaneous ammunition for Senator Obama's enemies.

That the clips would be played "again and again". Someone said book deal. Jealousy, pride, ego shattered since Obama

began referring to him as his 'former pastor'? Vengeance? All those things the Good Book warns against.

He should have left it with the Bill Moyers interview.

Respect works both ways. He's free to say what he wants, but at this time, when the fate of the world (really) depends

on who will be the next POTUS, the retired Rev. Wright tried his best to push Obama under the train.

Obama handled it, as usual, with grace and dignity.

...this asshole's ego and hunger for attention just won't allow him to shut the fuck up. I wouldn't be shocked at ALL if later he gives a speech at the Republican Convention denouncing Obama and/or making some shit up about him.

Wright's life does not revolve around Obama, he doesn't need to (and honestly, he shouldn't) filter his mouth depending on what Obama's doing election-wise. Wright has been a preacher for decades, and he's preached from this very platform for decades. He didn't change his approach or statements in favor of Obama, nor did hedo it to hurt him, since he feels he's serving a cause larger than Obama, the US election, larger than life, so to say.
Obama on the other hand, may or may not be "outraged" by the comments, it's irrelevant. He's a politician, and he has to denounce anything the media grabs on to which could alienate a part of the voters he speaks to.

Bottom line, Wright speaks his mind regardless of the political situation of the day, and I respect him for that. Sometimes it's inopportune or harmful to the political player of the day, but his purpose is not in politics, he doesn't play that game.

an African-American ... and he isn't about to have truth cloud his world vision. He has effectively torpedoed Obama's campaign and can now say smugly, "See! I told you America's racist!"

First, I can understand why he would have cut Rev. Wright off for the three examples he stated: 1) support of Farrakan, 2) Calling USA the instigator of terrorism (paraphrasing), 3) AIDS as a government orchestrated attack on the black race. Those things, I can understand. What I don't get, is what, exactly, did Wright say in the NAACP speech that Obama found objectionable? Is Obama basically stating that we are now one America? Are we suppose to suddenly forget all the transgressions committed by the hatemongering Republican agenda, which, hasn't dissipated in the least. They're just waiting for us to bow our heads so they can put in a good strike.

I understand why Obama had to say what he said, but I wonder, how are black Americans taking his comments and direction? Do they feel he is going to sell them out, just like every other Democrat has?

and stick it to hannity and limbaugh...and let everybody know he s comin after all the white women!!!

To anyone who thinks Wright's words are "mis-interpreted" or "taken out of context", this is not the post for you to read.

For all others, you know that Wright spoke what he spoke because he belieeeved in what he spoke, and when you belieeeve in something, you show it so openly that everyone can see without even seeing (if you get my drift). Obama stuck to this reverend not because it made political sense, but because, he must have believed in some things that Wright believed in (I am not saying they agreed on the things that are controversial, that is left to one's interpretation).

Fast forward many years and for the Saint to denounce his reverend, could there be any reason other than the reverend was saying things in a way that is jeopardizing the Saint's chances, though nothing has practically changed in the reverend's position?

This is judgement? or plain politics?

as far as i can tell: not a goddam thing.

And now she's the only one who people know can destroy McCain:cry:

Unless you think Hillary put those clips of Rev Wright on YouTube in the first place, or that Hillary made Rev Wright say all those crazy things he said at the National Press Club, it is unfair to blame Senator Clinton for any of this.

with Wright & Obama.

Please state what "crazy things" you're referring to?

The only "crazy thing" here is that you believe anything Wright said is crazy. The fact that truth is denied and described as "crazy" is crazy. But that's okay, that's just the way delusion works when truth is so horrendous that you'd rather believe the lie and denounce the truth as crazy when it's those that refuse to face truth for the condemnation it would bring upon one self.

WE ARE ALL QUILTY as long as we allow those that have committed these crimes to roam free. Now that's MY definition of "crazy".

to kill black people?

Granted that may not be crazy, it may just be precisely calculated to play on fears and superstitions. But whatever the case may be, it's not part of any "truth." No matter what other things the Reverend Wright has said that are true, that ain't one of 'em.

She has been in a love fest with McCain so long I don't see how you can be so sure.

Same as we can't "prove" there were no WMD in Iraq. We don't have to. Burden of proof is on the positive statement. If you can't prove the positive, nobody has to care.

Just keeping this garbage on the front page is going to ensure a Republican win. What about McCain's "Reverend", he has said things worse than Wright and barely a peep is heard, does that strike anyone as odd? Wright is the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth", just by parroting the controversy, its aids Republicans.

Clinton supporters not only shouldn't be getting involved in this, they are creating a McCain firewall against legitimate concerns for him, a condition in which McCain is going to push a "nice" campaign and portray himself as a victim of Clinton attacks, should she receive the nomination.